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Week 28: Zant's Hand vs. Wallmaster

Zant's Hand
"Zant's Hand"
Zant's Hand

The epic battle of disembodied hands which can really get on your nerves.

Votes for Zant's Hand

  1. It makes my heart hammer, you know, running through the room with the Sol and Zant's hand hot in pursuit. And I have always found the Wallmaster very annoying. PhantomGanonUsurper27
  2. This thing is creepy to the extreme and the fact that it is imortal means that it just keeps coming and you can't just kill it and go on with your life. Your stuck with that thing until you make it outside. Metroidhunter32 23:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. Tough decision, but I'll have to go w/ Zant's hand. It scared the ***t out of my friend (nearly giving his sister nightmares). Tough choice, but I can't vote against that. -LeoLab 00:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
  4. All for Zant's hand. Whenever I saw the shadow getting close, I'd start panicking. Good choice. Leo604 02:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
  5. It looks cooler, it's difficult without being extremely annoying, and the music scares the crud out of me. I'm not joking, it freaks me out (less now than when I first played the game, but you get the point). LapisScarab 05:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. Its "Zants Hand." I have nothing else to say. BetweenBlack&White
  7. Well this is a really difficult decision for me as both are challenging enemies. I myself found Wallmaster annoying in earlier games, but that's what it was intended to do, so its substance was good as it had the intended effect. To me, Zant's Hand is an updated and very much improved version of Wallmaster. I prefer the style and sense of foreboding that Zant's Hand casts over the player, although I still like Wallmaster a lot too given that it was the forerunner of Zant's Hand. Hero of Time 87 14:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
  8. This thing makes me freak out. Doing things on a time limit is something I have trouble doing. My reflexes and motor skills for the most part suck ass so I need to be able to take my time to get around problems. What with the freaky music and Zant's Hand being an achingly slow scary floating hand is more than I can say for Wallmasters when it comes to being troublesome. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 21:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
  9. I always hated Wall Master on Oot and This Zant's hand was more challenging in TP.
  10. Wallmaster? Ha. THIS THING GOES THROUGH WALLS. Portal-KombatAltough I've played this game multiple times, the thing, along whit it's music, always creeps me and it brings another dimension to dungeons: escaping it when it finished.
  11. The most infuriating, put-your-head-through-the-wall boss in all of Zelda-dom against the thing that puts you back at the start of the level? I know who wins this one. User:Hello Waterface
  12. It is immortal, can go through walls, and is in the Palace of Twilight, my favorite temple. OddGoron
  13. I like the background music for when it approaches, and it's realistic-looking. Pianist Link 09:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
  14. Even though I hate when I play, the graphics are better. Shadow of Twilight
  15. Non-killables beat regular enemies every time. Bek The Conqueror 02:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  16. It can't die, it won't stop chasing you, it looks cool, and it gave you a sense of urgency. To top that off, it beat out both Wallmaster AND Like Like for the title of Enemy I Hate the Most. I have to go with Zant's Hand. Vallunge
  17. This thing scared the living daylights out of me when I first discovered it when through walls. The thing that freaks me out most about ALL video games is the music. I almost ran out of the room when I heard it. Majora'sBrokenCondom 12:11, 31 December 2008
  18. Well, I've only played part of OoT, but from what I've heard, Wallmaster gets his ass kicked. Go Zanty's handy. SleepingDragon7
  19. While the Wallmaster was incredibly creepy from OoT, Zant's Hand just freaked the be-jesus out of me! The creepy music accompanying it is what really put it over the edge for me; not to mention the fact that, while you know it's there, it glides along silently, like some impending doom or something. GreyCrusader

Anonymous votes

  1. The wallmaster is just annoying while Zant's hand can be a little difficult to avoid because of 2 reasons. 1. It can't be killed. 2. The monsters and obstacles slow you down a bit when u r trying to escape with the sole.
  2. Zant's Hand is cool. Wallmasters are just creepy.
  3. An immortal embodiment of all evil that is sent to protect the Sol. And it's freakin scary having that thing chase you around!
  4. Ouch, tough choice, but my hat's off to Zant's Hand. That thing is just plain scary. Dunno if it's the music or how it moves its fingers, but I really get nervous when running away from it. Don't get me wrong, Wallmasters are scary as well, but at least you can dodge them with a roll or even give em a slash.
  5. No matter what you do, Zant's hand will never be destroyed. All you can do is run. Wallmasters on the other hand are fairly easy to kill in Ocarina of Time. 03:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. By far the cooler of the two - just look at it + it's immortal - so what chance does a wallmaster have???
  7. I got really afraid when this thing was chasing after me !!!!
  8. You cant even kill Zant's hand! I know how annoying Wallmasters are, but at least they die! Zant's hand is an ever-present threat, which is why I'm going for this side.
  9. Zant's Hand is just plain awesome but its creepy because it wont stop following you!! Zeldamaniac95
  10. Zants hand is immortal and can transform a wall master into another zants hand and lives in twilight. Enough said.
  11. It scared the heck out of my friend.
  12. He's really annoying. I was fending him off when I ran out of arrows.
  13. wallmasters are easy to avoid with the help of ladders so this guy got my vote.
  14. Zant's Hand could corrupt a Wallmaster and is invincible, not to mention it follows you forever.

Votes for Wallmaster

  1. It's a classic enemy. Solar flute
  2. At least you can kill this thing. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 20:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. Every time I go into a dungeon in a Zelda game, my biggest fear is a Wallmaster grabbing me. Oddball464
  4. Hands down for me (no pun intended), the wallmaster is a classic, and is not as obnoxious as Zant's Hand is. Dialask77 13:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
  5. Wallmaster definitly Young link
  6. Wallmaster! LeaderSheikah
  7. One of the best enemies. nintenodGamer1124
  8. Wallmaster is a classic enemy, enough said ssherry92
  9. I hate wallmaster, but I would chose it anyway. I don't have Twilight Princess, but I've borrowed it from a friend once, and I haven't gotten to Zant's Hand yet. Wallmasters creep me out, but they were a challenge cause I always got caught by them. So...I'm voting for wallmaster. User:Dragonmaster kayla
  10. Wallmaster is the better one. No doubt about it. User:The Great Usurper Bongo Bongo
  11. Wallmaster is much harder to avoid than Zant's hand, and is much more of annoying all around. It can easily dstroy large amounts of hard work, whereas Zant's hand might send you back one or two rooms. Zant's hand is much slower, and even when it grabs a sol it's still easy to get back with the clawshot. Wallmaster is a much more formidable opponent. User:Swordsman1062
  12. Wallmaster is way better than Zant's Hand. It has the ability to send you to the start of the dungeon, it is basically equivalent to the floormaster in WW, and it can scare you to death in OoT if your not careful. Blitz2121

Anonymous votes

  1. In OOt : Forest temple, these things scared the hibijibees out of me. I would be walking around, then boom, i was grabbed, snatched up, and warped to the center of the dungeon. The whirling air noise didn't make it any better. I guess in TP, zant's hand wasn't that scary. It was cool, but it served as an obnoxious, non-killable enemy compared to the wall hands, which can at least be killed.
  2. watch out for the monsters that hang from the ceiling.. I defintly go for this one.. Zant's hand made it morge difficult to reach him, but the wall masters were easy.. easy wins
  3. As always, I took the definition of "fight" literally, and decided that Wallmaster could easily defeat Zant's Hand. While Zant's Hand could convert a Wallmaster to another of it's kind (since Zant's Hands' are nothing more than what appear to be Wallmasters infused with Twilight), the Wallmaster has a definate advantage. Zant's Hand exists only to guard the Sol, and when activated, moves at a slow pace. Thus, the Wallmaster could easily attack Zant's Hand without touching the Sol, and (if it had to) could just move up, out of Zant's Hands' reach, easily defeating the creature. The Wallmaster wins, hands-down (no pun intended). Sincerely, Watcher.
  4. Wallmasters are awesome! I remember this one time in the shadow temple when I went into this weird room and a wallmaster comes down and grabs me! They scared me but they are so cool looking! Zant's hand was annoying,especially when I went into the next room with the sol and I thought I had got rid of it, but it came back through the wall. No matter how many arrows I shoot at it, it won't die!!!!!
  5. Wallmasters are the most classic annoying enemies in Zelda, Zant's hand only appeared in one Zelda game and weren't even all that memorable. Wallmaster definitely wins.
  6. How can you not vote for Master Hand's decrepit old sibling? Wallmaster wins my vote.
  7. This guy has my vote. I always feared him, and always freaked out when he was coming. Zant's hand was too easy to get away from.
  8. I vote for the wallmaster because they are the most annoying villains in Zelda games. I found Zant's hand to be patheticly easy to avoid and get past. Wallmasters, not so much.
  9. there is no debate, the wallmaster wins for being a classic, and cooler looking.
  10. there wall master has been around for over 20 years and has kept it's place as zelda's scariest monster.

Peanut Gallery

I might be jinxing it right here and now but this looks like a nail biter. Metroidhunter32 23:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it ok to change my vote? I know I shouldn't be constantly flitting back and forth, but I'm afraid I may change my mind midway through the week, since this was a very tough decision for me. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 06:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

yes. Solar flute

I wonder... Is this an arm wrestle, thumb war, rock paper scissors, mercy, or bloody knuckles match? Dialask77 13:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it is a whoever is on top wins seeing as they both drop form the cealing. Metroidhunter32 22:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

When you think about it, neither one of these can really be "killed." Wallmaster may be gone for a few moments if you kill it, but it always comes back. It's never completely gone. So for those that argue that Wallmaster can be killed while Zant's Hand can't, that's not entirely accurate. You can stun Zant's Hand for several seconds by shooting it with something, namely arrows. I have done this. This is about as good as killing Wallmaster for a few seconds before it returns. Both can be momentarily taken out of action, but neither one can really be "killed" for good. Hero of Time 87 14:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Wellll, it depends on which game you're talking about. Bek The Conqueror 02:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

XYZ, D77, I think I'll take your advice. After all, my Dad said that I'm just not mature enough yet to have an account if I'm going to "police the site." Anyways, once he feels otherwise, I'll be on rather quick, and I hope that'll be soon. Untill then, since I'm not really doing anything wrong, I suppose I'll just hang around, OK? I'll do that as soon as I can. Sincerely, Watcher.

Hero of Time, you can kill the Wallmaster. The only reasons you might see it again a few seconds afterwards are:

  • There are multiple Wallmasters in the room.
  • You leave the room and come back. It will have respawned as nearly all enemies do, save for most minibosses and bosses.

On the other hand, you can never kill Zant's Hand. All you can do is stun it. Portal-Kombat

PK, what I mean is that neither goes away fully, thus meaning that it's really half a dozen of one, six of another. There's not much difference there as far as gameplay goes. Hero of Time 87 06:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Depends which game you're talking about, I guess. The ones from Ocarina and Majora's Mask at least could be permanently killed off. I don't know about other ones in the series. Maybe the ones from the original Legend of Zelda? The only enemy that I am confident can never be truly finished off is the Miniblin... there will always be more. Portal-Kombat

Your statement depends as well. There were places that the Miniblins respawned infinitely and there were places where only about a dozen or so were in residence. Bek The Conqueror 02:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Portal-Kombat is right, you must be talking about Wallmasters in a different game, because the ones in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask can be killed off and only respawn if you leave the room and come back, which is really true for quite a few enemies. By the way, Portal-Kombat, there actually several places where Miniblins do not come back after you kill a certain amount of them. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 18:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I know there are many places where you can permanently kill Miniblins. I was thinking of the ones in Forsaken Fortress. Encountering them without a weapon was not fun... I had to jump on top of a table and throw silverware at them to keep them away. Come to think of it, even those disappear after you defeat the Helmaroc King. Still, they have a special place in my nightmares. Creepiest enemies ever, like the Waterwraith and the Aperture Science Turrets from a couple other awesome games. Portal-Kombat

I think there's at least one cave where they never disappear. I don't know what those Aperture Science Turrets are, but I totally understand how you feel about the Waterwraith...*twitches irritably* Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 19:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I played Wind Waker again and the cave where they never disappear is at Boating Course. A.S. Turrets are from Portal and I'm not sure which of those three enemies are the worst. I don't think it's Waterwraith. It may be deadly and flat-out weird but with purples on your side it doesn't stand a ghost of a chance. It's either the turrets or the Miniblin. Portal-Kombat

Hey, PK, when you say "Permanently kill", do you mean while you're scaling the fortress, or afterwards? Because if it's whil you're climbing, I can personally testify that they never stop coming at you. The best thing to do about them there is to run like hell. Sincerely, Watcher.

Ok,a hand that can steal Sol ( What you need to get the light sowrd in the Twilight Princess)And a hand that can throw you out of a dungeon is a very big nailbiter. Bigger than all of the other Zeldapedia Temple Of Courage battles.

WATCHER I meant afterwards, when Ganon's boat/house/tower gets burned by Valoo. Yes. I remember that part when you're scaling it and they don't disappear. Not even when you're sidling against the wall. They'll keep appearing even if all they do is plummet to their deaths :) Portal-Kombat

All right, just wondering. By the way, what is that thing: a boat, house, or tower? I've never been sure, but my guess is tower. Oh, and that last non-user comment isn't me, it's someone else. Sincerely, Watcher.

Well technically it's a wrecked piece of a boat that serves as Ganon's house placed as a lookout on top of a tower. Portal-Kombat

Thanks PK. By the way everyone, I've been wondering, what does "Peanut" Gallery mean? Sincerely, Watcher.

Well, it's a dumb joke that originated on the Final Fantasy Wiki. Well, at least its incorporation into ToC battles was. Basically, it's just another term for comment section. I have no idea how the term originated either. It distresses me, as I am highly allergic to peanuts. Yeah, I do mean the comic that isn't funny at all. --AuronKaizer(...Kaizer!) 22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Not to sound impatient, but it's been more than a week. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 01:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

This weeks fight all depends on who is cooler,has better manuver abillaties & who could overall beat the other guy. If zants hand can move up and through walls while a wall master cant but wall masters can throw you out of a dungen from the room right before the boss lair makes it a tricky fight.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. And that last comment is not me. Sincerely, Watcher.

Something that just occured to me, who chose a purple background for the Wallmasters voting section? It's really hard to read. Sincerely, Watcher.

me. Solar flute

Come on, Zant's Hand won already. Sorry Wallmaster but people just don't think you're annoying enough. Portal-Kombat

Next weeks fight should be interesting, so why don't we just get on with it. Everyone is bored out of their skulls. Sincerely, Watcher.

I concur. I mean, good lord, it's been almost two weeks and I want to see how the fight I suggested goes. No conflict of interest or anything there... :P Bek The Conqueror 04:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
I'll seriously take any fight at this point. Even Tingle vs. CD-i Link, because gee it sure is boring around here. Portal-Kombat
Don't nag. It'll be done. I'd do it now if my goddamn family would just leave me alone. --AuronKaizer(...Kaizer!) 18:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, we were just wondering is all. If you don't have time to do it, maybe you should let someone like XYZ or PK do it. Just a suggestion. Sincerely, Watcher.

THAT'S IT..I'm leaving this temple of courage. Everybody here would rather complain then actually fix it. Every Time I can't update all you do is complaon and it drags on for weeks. you'll still see me around here (just got wind waker and twilight princess) and other wikis, but no more at the temple of courage. And to make it clear, I will be ignoring any messages on my talk page about this. Solar flute

I'm incredibly bored, so does anyone mind if I do it? All I need is a good picture of the Group. Sincerely, Watcher.

I just uploaded something that might work. Look under The_Whole_Group.JPG and let me know if it works out. Bek The Conqueror 18:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

For the record, the only reason I'm not doing the fights is because I have no idea how. If someone wants to give me instructions on it, I'd be willing to take over. Also, I looked up The_Whole_Group.JPG and it didn't come up with any results. Could you actually put it on a page or something (preferably the Resistance)? Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 22:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I just put the image on my user page. It should be easy to locate becase it's the only thing there. If someone could point me toward a good template to start, just put it on my user talk page. Bit of a warning, the image is just a bunch of copy/pasted images of the indivvidual members, but it's the best thing I or really anyone else has come up with. Bek The Conqueror 23:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Week 27: Arrghus vs. Barinade


Laaaaaaaaaaaadies and gentlemen, at this time we want you to draw your attention to the center ring.

In the blue, err, orange corner, we have...a red eye thing surrounded by small enemies resembling Tuff Puffs from Paper Mario (lawsuit anyone?)...AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHUS! And the opponent, fighting out of the dark blue is a bio-electric anemone with a fear of Boomerangs...BAAAAAARRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIINADE!!!!!!

Now for the thousands of fans in attendance, and the millions watching at home...LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY Sheesh, well that's lame? Oh, and if you're not down with that, we've got three words for ya!


Votes for Arrghus

  1. this boss fight was more challenging. Barinade has four bari around it; this thing has at least 20 of those puffballs, though it feels like 50 when you actually play. Oh, and it looks cooler. --Moblin Slayer 02:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. just giving some love to the creepy, one-eyed thing. - SageofWater

Anonymous votes

  1. Id rather go 4 the guy whos losing.(just so they DONT kill themselves)!!!
  2. In my opinion, one giant jelyfish is enough. Plus, I've played against him.
  3. go arrghus! throw your rocks to destroy his jellyfish!!!!

Votes for Barinade

  1. Barinade is an awesome boss fight. Orefices and stuff like that make me queasy too. It's also the more difficult boss fight. Also, at least the name was somewhat imaginative >.> --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 00:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  2. Some things just don't have to be explained. By the way I love the fight introduction. Metroidhunter32 00:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  3. This was a fun fight. I think I faced the other guy before, but I really enjoyed the fight with Barinade. User:dragonmaster kayla
  4. Barinade was harder, more fun, and cooler. NintendoGamer1124
  5. Nothing against Arrgus, he's not bad, but I liked Barinade way more. LapisScarab 02:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  6. Barinade is awesome in so many ways, I don't know where to begin. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 02:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  7. Barinade is SO more awesome. Phantom Ganon Usurper 2 7
  8. Even though I've never played a Link to the Past, I still thought Barinade was much cooler when I fought him. Blitz2121 21:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
  9. Simply better. -LeoLab 00:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
  10. I wish I could fight this guy with the Keaton Mask! Portal-Kombat
  11. Here's how the fight would work. Arrghus would be unable to sever Barinade's connection to the ceiling, because he only has some clouds. Barinade, however, would be able to the Bari covering him to pull off and zap the clouds. Then, he would easily beat the nearly helpless Arrghus. Gorank 18:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
  12. coolerZeldamaniac95
  13. now that i think about it, barinade does rock. Solar flute
  14. Bariande is the only one of the two i've faced so can only vote for it realy! Ssherry92
  15. Just looks freakier. OddGoron
  16. go baranade Oni Dark Link
  17. its a freakin' tumor for god sake, it has to be cooler! vlink
  18. I like this guy better. I think that Arrghus reappeared in FSA, but I could be wrong. If he did, he was terrible. If he didn't, then oh well. -LeoLab
  19. Barinade would beat the mess out of Arrghus! User:BetweenBlack&White
  20. It explodes into puss which is cooler and grosser than exploding into a puff of smoke. [[User:King Boo]
  21. It looks like this guy is pretty close to morpheel, and that was an awsome fight.linkpwns. so does kirby! 16:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
  22. Barinade's attacks are faster and more unpredictable, and he has a good defense. I'm gonna go with him. User:what10210
  23. Both boss fights were really easy, but Barinade was definitely the more difficult of the two, plus, everything in Ocarina of Time rocks.Bek The Conqueror 03:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
  24. Harder fight. A bioelectrical anemone vs a jellyfish thing. wow. --Link vs dark link 01:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

  1. Bariande was a much more enjoyable boss fight. The music was good he had good enough difficulty for being the thrid boss. And really giant eyeball ooh scary versus killer jellyfish.
  2. I liked Barinade's fight. Took me a while to actually defeat it
  3. well................
  4. it's huge
  5. never fought the other one
  6. console bosses are MUCH better
  8. I agree. Lazers are the shiznit.
  10. Please. Barinade has an electric beam attack. All Arrghus can do is send out his little puffballs. Barinade could zap them into oblivion, or just zap Arrghus. No matter how you look at it, Barinade wins. Sincerelly, Watcher.
  11. I totally hate this guy.. I was so frustrated during the battle. But since I beat him with a quarter of a heart left, I vote for him.
  12. This guy was so awesome! I really liked him! He was practically Jabu Jabu's brain tumor... thats the way i picture it
  13. i really enjoyed this batle much more than the aarghus batle, and its harder because you have to keep running all the time so you dont get damage.
  14. this was a hard fight although i beat him the first time!
  15. This boss battle takes place inside a fish, you can't get better then that
  16. Barinade was hard to beat you can never stay in one place!
  18. It took me a little while to figure him out but, IT WAS AWESOME! IT SHOOTS LASERS!!!!!!!
  19. Took me forever to beat him!!!

20. I always pick the blue side ^__^

  1. Hate to side with the strong but theres no doubt a jelly fish tumor could lose against a giant eyeball.

Peanut Gallery

Who did the teple of courage this weak? The heang (set up like a wrestling match) is pretty cool...--Moblin Slayer 02:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

AuronKaizer. I don't think anyone other than an admin would have the audacity to change it that much. Metroidhunter32 02:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
what do you mean only admin? I'm not an admin, and yet i've been changing it for quite some time. Solar flute

Sorry for being nitpicky, but since Mario and Zelda were both made by Nintendo, there wouldn't be any lawsuits (at least, that's how I think it works). Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 02:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

That comment reminds me of that diet coke commercial where coke is trying to sue diet coke for flavor infringment. Can nintendo sue itself? That is the question. Metroidhunter32 03:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
You'd be surprised. In these days of financial crises that abound the world, they could easily pull that off. And anyone can be bold, you know that. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 03:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Possibly, although it would probably be case dismissed. Solar flute

That would be rather stupid. You're right, they could pull that off, but it would be illogical in so many ways. Also, if they were going to sue themselves, they would be more likely to do it over all that Mario stuff in Link's Awakening (they even have a Kirby reference in there). By the way, if that comment about being "bold" was about me editing it myself, I don't really feel a need to. It doesn't make perfect sense, but it's still funny, and 90% of the people that read it probably won't really care about the technicalities of the issue. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 04:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

It was really just a general comment. If anyone were to make a change like this to the Temple of Courage presentation, they would be free to. Of course, being an admin, with responsibility and all that, I would revert back to the old format if I did not like it. But it's not like any of my own edits cannot be contested, though. I'm just trying to break away from the norm and give the people who come here something this case, lavish presentation with weird jokes. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 05:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

By you "not liking it", I'm going to assume that you don't simply mean that you yourself don't like it even though there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, and I will instead assume that you meant that to be a general statement meaning that there is actually something beyond your own personal taste. Again, I really don't have a problem with it, I'm just nitpicking as usual. I actually kind of like it. Makes it feel more user-friendly. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 08:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Long time no see, everybody! Don't worry, i'm only here to say hello. Oliver Platt 14:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hai dere, I thought you were gonna give us another story of the secret "Uber-Barinade" boss found in Ocarina of Time. Of course, to actually get there, you must have exactly 21 Rupees and 3 Deku Sticks. In the northern wall of Lake Hylia, press Z 500 times when you're close to the wall and you will wind up in the hidden Ice Dungeon, the hardest dungeon in any game ever. The reward for completing it and beating Uber-Barinade is a piece of virtual pie. Right? --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 15:40, 4 December2008 (UTC)

Ha! Thats funny. Not much to say here, Barinade looks like a winner allready. Barinade is probally better remembered. Also, i was gonna make a suggestion, but I cant seem to. Odd. Has Deku vs. Kokiri allready been suggested? King yoshi42 16:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

HOW did YOU know that, AK? I thought i was the only one! But please allow me to correct you. You must only press Z 499 times, or else it breaks. Oliver Platt 20:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Deku vs. Kokiri has already been suggested, but it doesn't really matter. A given suggestion can be suggested multiple times, just as long as it's not two weeks in a row. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 23:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, AK, can you give me some strategies against the Uber-Barinade? I just can't seem to beat him, and the piece of virtual pie is all that's left for me to clear the game 100%. Oliver Platt 01:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's sort of the problem isn't it? I was stupid enough to press the Z-button 500 times instead of 499; now my controller is broken, my game is glitched with nude textures on Zelda and Anju and all my savegames have been erased. WHY??????? :( --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 01:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Barinade's core kind of looks like a peahat from space! Portal-Kombat

Guys, I thought we agreed to not encourage Platt. Before posting anything else, think carefully about what happened last week. We don't want a repeat, do we? Sincerelly, Watcher.

"We" didn't agree to anything. I don't really care either way, I find Platt's random crap rather funny in nature. Who are you, anyway? --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 02:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The first time, I admit he was annoying. This time, though, it's been reduced to a small inside joke between Oliver Platt and AuronKaizer. If it really becomes annoying like last time, we may have to try to discourage him, but at this point, he's not doing anything wrong. I agree with AuronKaizer, though - who exactly are you? As I said before, if you're going to become a regular here, you may as well make an account. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 02:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess you're right. Platt isn't doing anything wrong, and this time around, it's kinda funny. I'm still watching him though. As for who I am, I'm just a fan of the series who doesn't know the ins and outs of becoming a member. Anyone willing to help? Sincerelly, Watcher.

In the top-right corner of any page, there should be 2 green boxes with words in them - Log in and Create an Account. Just click on Create an Account and fill out the information boxes given. It's shouldn't be difficult. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 03:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Before I do it, I just have to know. Would any of my personal private information become public? Sincerelly, Watcher.

The only personal information you must give out is your E-mail and your date of birth (there is a "Real name" box, but this is optional). As far as I know, your date of birth stays private to other users, if you're worried about that. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 04:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Good thing too. Once you give out even one single solitary slovo of personal information on the net, chances are you'll wake up in a prehistoric bathroom with your leg chained to a pipe. I'm just sayin'. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 04:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Guys, the boss doesn't want anything anymore... So i guess i'll just become a normal contributer, without all that mayhem stuff. If you don't want me here, though, just tell me. Oliver Platt 14:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Whoever suggestid this weeks fight is a genious. Two jellyfish fighting is just so cool.

Out of curiosity, when is the next "fight" going to be? Dialask77 20:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

It was just least a week. Don't forget to suggest a fight or vote for another. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 01:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Guys, I've got a few things I want to say. First off the bat, Platt, I'm glad you've decided to renounce yourannoying mayhem making ways. I'm not entierly trusting of you yet, but I at least accept you. Second, the above unsigned comment is not me. I have no clue who it is, but it certanly is not Watcher. Finally, I have bad news for you. I consulted with my dad, and I am forbiden from signing up as a user. This was a bit of a blow to me, but I have an idea. Seeing as I act as a user already, I have a question: Is it possible for me to create a user page without officialy signing up? One last thing: Platt, I guess as long as you don't cause any more so called "mayhem", we may as well keep you around. After all, if what you were saying is true, then you were only operating under another user, and even then, it wasn't anything illegal. By the by, since you're done with him, I gotta know, who was he/she? This is a question of intilectual curiosity, and if you say anything along the lines of "Ha, ha, I tricked you all!", then all I can say is "You are a sad, strange little man." Sincerelly, Wathcer.

Why exactly doesn't he want you to become a user? I don't really see anything wrong with making a userpage, but I'm not sure if it's ok to do. Maybe ask an admin? By the way, Moblin Slayer and I were also wondering who Platt's boss was. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 20:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

hey guys,I'm wondering if you will make a mercy rule,like in baseball.

We never have before. It's an interesting idea, but we usually need a whole week in order to get the maximum amount of fight suggestions. It's better that way, since some really good fights come up later in the week. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 06:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

It has something to do with giving our email address away. By the by, which users could I ask about the user page thing? Sincerelly, Watcher.

It's not like you'll be giving away your password or anything like that. I mean, for that matter, anybody that you Email will know your Email address simply by looking at who sent it. You could probably ask any admin, but AuronKaizer is probably the best one to ask, since he's generally the most active, most consistent admin. He also tends to have a lot of general knowledge about how things should be done on this wiki. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 18:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Umm, yeah, thanks for that, but like I said before, something like this you should ask Richard about, what with him being tight with the Wikia project and all. I'm just a regular user like all of you. Although, I guess technically Richard is as well, but he has that Wikia thing like I said. Ask him. There's not like your email will be used for anything other than lost password and suches, I think. You can also disable the function that allows other people to email you, I think. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 18:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't really know Richard, so I don't know what his knowledge on things are. You're the most likely to know out of the admins that I actually know. If you say he's more likely to know than you are, though, then by all means, Watcher, contact Richard. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 23:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Guys, I have the feeling that this fight may drag on longer than usual, so could everyone either post more fight suggestions or just pick one. I think that I'm not the only one who gets anoyed when these fights drag on for a while. Sincerelly, Watcher.

I'll handle it tonight. Solar flute

Thanks. If I came off as a jerk, I'm sorry. Sincerelly, Watcher.

Guys, bad news. I just talked to my dad, and he gave me the real reason that I can't join you officialy. According to him, when I joined in talking about Platt last time around, I had started policing the site, something he doesn't want me doing. I don't know what to say except that I cannot join, period. Sincerely, Watcher.

Hang on. Can't you just tell him that you won't police the site now that Platt has stopped? Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 07:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I would, but the problem is that I can never be sure whether or not that will be good enough for him. Someone else may pop up. I'm afraid I can't do anything at all about this. Sincerelly, Watcher.

Watcher couldn't you just enter some nonsense like for your E-mail adress and just not let you dad find out. Metroidhunter32 00:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, you could just not "police" the site at all. Leave the rulebreakers to the admins if your dad doesn't want you to be doing that. As to Metroidhunter32's idea, I personally don't think you should be encouraging anybody to be keeping secrets from their parents, especially about trivial stuff like this. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 01:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Xykeb. He probably has his reasons, we shouldn't attempt to convince you otherwise. Dialask77

Week 26: Cow vs. Cucco

Cow Artwork (Ocarina of Time)
Cucco Artwork (Ocarina of Time)
Cucco Artwork (Ocarina of Time)

The battle of farm animals that have helped Link. One with milk, the other with gliding.

Votes for Cow

  1. I'm a huge, huge fan of milk in real life and for some reason I always carry around a bottle of milk in the games. Besides, they don't get batcrap insane every time you hit them one too many times. Cows like being lazy, like me. Milk > Gliding. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 02:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. I'm voting for cow because at least you can't getkilled by it lol Ssherry92
  3. Lon Lon Milk! Friedbeef1 Argue 23:48, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. I like cowsJoshass123

Anonymous votes

  1. - I prefer cows i love milk
  2. I like milk. Milk is awesome. Cuccos make eggs. Eggs are awesome too but you don't get any eggs except in OoT, then you can't eat it or fry it. Plus in most games Cuccos can kill you. Except in TP, because in this game if you hit them like, 8 times then you can control them. Oh well. Cows pwn cuccos. And at least cows have their original name...

Votes for Cucco

  1. The mere fact that they can pwn Link with ease is enough to get my vote. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 03:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  2. Cuccos can kill Link. Guy22
  3. Cuccos are fun to glide with and fun 2 hurt User:Sonic Fan
  4. cuccos are combustible im some games. NintendoGamer1124
  5. cuccos are superior!!!!! They can kill anybody! in TP, there is a secret cutscene that shows a cucco fighting against some Blue Tektites. You can control te cucco, and i has two attacks: "flaming beak" and "death glide". but it is very difficult to find this place because it is hidden in Woodfall. Come on, you guys do know that Woodfall is an optional dungeon in TP, right? Oliver Platt 14:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  6. cuccos are evil except in TP plus golden cucco from rusl is awesome! --Link vs dark link 16:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  7. Cuccos are teh pwn! :p Leo604 20:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
  8. Cuccos are able to help Link in getting around, and they are also able to kill him when he hits them with his sword.User:Dragonmaster kayla
  9. Cows are useful and everything, but Cucco's are more dangerous than Ganondorf in most games. Even in TP they're fun to control. GO CUCCOS!!! LapisScarab 20:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  10. Cuccos are one of the most deadly enemies in OoT OddGoron
  11. One of my favorite things to do in OoT was to slash the chickens and watch them kill Link. So cathartic... -LeoLab 23:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
  12. Wow. I'm voting for this because there very helpful.they got me a treasure in PH.--GoldPhantomKongu 02:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  13. This is really no contest. Cucoos are usually invincible and very vicious if provoked.
  14. cuccos may not give milk, but you can't use cows to slowly descend on a far off ledge, plus, i never saw a golden cow. Raz 07:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
  15. The fact that there are no cows in Twilight Princess, and thast is the only Zelda game I have, I vote for cuccoos.User:11drew511
  16. Cuccos are vicious and deadlier creatures. The pacific cows doesn't stand a chance. [|User:HFR]
  17. They're stronger than Ganondorf, which makes them awesome. [User:King Boo}

Anonymous votes

  1. Cucoos are fully deadly!
  2. Cuccos are needed; cows are not.
  3. I have nightmares of Cuccos. They are evil!
  4. Cuccos are awesome! does zelda awn any?
  5. Personaly, I would vote for Epona.. but since that is not an option, I choose the cucco. Always fun to make them angry and then flee into the dark world in Four Swords adventures.
  6. cUcCoS aRe ScArY!!!!!!!!!!!
  7. When you think about this from a fight perspective, it's kind of hard to decide. After all, cows are fairly docile, and Cuccos will only attack when threatened. It may be a boring battle, but I'd imagine that after a while the Cucco would get angry and start attacking the cow. Cucco>Cow.
  8. God, in OOT, they were wickedly evil. An entire swarm would over overwhelm you. They would keep pecking me again, again, and AGAIN!! I died multiple times because of those evil birds. But they kicked butt. They are amazing.
  9. Flying death machines. Nuff said.
  10. Cows aren't very intellegent and Cuccos are incredibly smart!
  11. Cuccos are lightweight and have diff. colors.
  12. Cucoos are awesome. Since when do you have a tornao of cows flying around you and Epona when u attak them?Cucoos ftw
  13. AHHHHHHHH!!!!! Don't ask me this q, 3 resons. 1, THEY CAN KILL YOU!!! 2, COWS CANT KILL YOU!!! 3, THEY MAKE YOU FLOAT!!! ps: they can give you a botal in Oot (ocorina of time, and money and stuff in mc (minish cap), and a tresure shest in ph (phantom hourglass). Yes i know my z-games! SO WAHT NOW COWS!?!?
  14. any animal that can kill link has my respect.
  15. I still have nightmares of being chased off of the Gerudo Gorge into the river... AND THEY CAN SWIM!
  16. When Young Link used one to fly down Zora's River was my favorite part of Ocarina of Time! Portal-Kombat

Peanut Gallery

A few things

  • I know it was a tie, but cow vs. Cucco would have been the winner if the fight were made on the one week due date.
  • Sorry I couldn't get the fight up on thursday, the computer was having problems.

Solar flute 01:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Oliver Platt, are you insane? -PhantomGanonUsurper27

I'm going to answer for him and say yes. Metroidhunter32 00:07, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Oliver Platt, I call bull. Sincerelly, Watcher.

Woodfall isn't even in Hyrule, let alone Twilight Princess. Try to come up with lies/jokes/fantasies that actually make sense. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 22:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I like how it sounds more likely than the Hero's Shade being the Hero of Time though. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 22:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. At least that theory has any possibility at all of being true. That's like saying that Europe being on Mars is more likely than dragons once existing (in case you don't get it, what I'm saying is that something that makes very little sense still makes more sense than something that makes no sense). Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 04:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

So, there's some kind of rule against having a sense of humor around these parts huh? I get it. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 19:17, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

So, looks like you two don't like each other. Oh, well. Look, Nintendo has kept many, MANY secrets from all of us in the LoZ games. Secrets that only the best of the best can discover. So, if you want this wiki to be complete, I guess you're ginna need my help. Oliver Platt 21:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I don't know who's crazier, you or the real Oliver Platt. And I don't have a problem with Zraliv as I've stated a million times before, there are just some people who can't live without fighting and calling people out all the time. Glad I don't have that problem. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 23:39, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Ha, Oliver Platt. NASA would need my help too, in that I can build a spaceship that works on flatulence. The space shuttle agencies have kept MANY secrets from us, so I'll help us all by building a fart-ship. Friedbeef1 Argue 23:51, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Unless you bottled up several thousands peoples farts over a period of years a spaceship would be easier to run with a hand crank than by farts. There simply isn't enough energy in 100 human bodies to get that much metal up into the stratoshpere let alone space. (yes I know I have no sense of humor but I hate this sort of stuff that fits effortlessly into tabaloids.) Metroidhunter32 00:23, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Ha LOL, that's hilarious, Metroidhunter32. How do you know this? (I just made the fart-ship example in like 5 seconds) Friedbeef1 Argue 01:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Insulting a theory that many people believe is humor in your mind? As I've stated a million times, I'm not trying to "fight" or "call you out" or whatever else you seem to think I do. As I've stated before, I greatly dislike arguing with other people. Besides, you aren't the nice, polite, wonderful person you seem to think you are (yes, I did exaggerate that, you don't have to point it out). You don't "call people out" or "fight" (as you put it) any less than I do. By the way, Oliver Platt, that doesn't even make sense, even if your story about being a brilliant gamer capable of finding the great secrets of Twilight Princess was true. Woodfall is in Termina. Twilight Princess takes place in Hyrule. The only known way into Termina is in the Lost Woods. The Lost Woods is not in Twilight Princess. Thus, there is no way for Link to get into Termina, and therefore Woodfall is not in Twilight Princess. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 02:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Umm, XYZ, have you never made a relation between the Lost Woods and the series of tunnels that is the Sacred Grove? Oh, and I never said this Woodfall is the same Woodfall from MM. After all, last time I checked, the Gerudo Desert was a relatively small body of sand with the Bridge of Eldin towering on one side, and the Arbiter's Grounds towering on the other. AND there is a Bulblin camp. However, last time I played OoT, the Gerudo Desert was a gigantic body of sand divided in two parts so big you could get lost in it. And there was a small oasis, a salesman on a floating carpet, several flags, a place that looks like a sanctuary(where the Poe is), a Great Fairy Fountain, and the entrance to the Spirit Temple. And there was no bridge, no Arbiter's Grounds, and no Bulblin Camp (in fact, bulblins did not even exist in that game). Conclusion: they are two different places with the same name. And the Woodfall I am talking about is the same case. Oliver Platt 19:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Fried beef I just figured that if a one pound scrap of metal thrown by a thermonuclear explosion can't get into space farts can't get a multi ton space ship ten feet off the ground. Metroidhunter32 23:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've heard that theory before. However, the Lost Woods are much, much bigger. Also, the Sacred Grove can in no way make you lost. The Gerudo Deserts in both games are the same. It's so big, it may not be the same part of it, or maybe the sandstorms that caused you to get lost no longer occur, or maybe it just changed in general. The desert could do that. The Lost Woods, however, do not cause you to get lost due to some natural occurence. It's probably filled with magic of some sort, or maybe it's so immensely large as to cause you to get lost when you enter a certain area. In any case, the Sacred Grove could not be the Lost Woods, or at least it's very unlikely. Also, the Bridge of Eldin is nowhere near the Gerudo Desert. By the way, you just proved yourself wrong: if there were no Bulblins in that game, what makes you think that there would be a camp there? Besides, the camp isn't a permanent structure like the Spirit Temple. The Bulblins went there in Twilight Princess and set up their camp. That doesn't mean they had to have been in Ocarina of Time. And no, there would be no reason to give something the same name, unless they were linked in some way, or were just generic names (like the Forest Temple). I very much doubt that you alone could figure this out, when there are brilliant gamers out that there that are insanely good at finding this secret stuff. In any case, the mere thought of it is ridiculously unlikely, even if there's no definitive proof against it. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 05:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

XYZ, after the shadow creatures make the Bridge of Eldin dissapear, where did it go? Oh, yes! The Gerudo Desert! Or will you tell me you don't know the Cave of Ordeals? The Bridge was blocking it before it was warped back! Oh, and what do you mean that I proved myself wrong? I said there was NO Bulblin camp in that game. Oliver Platt 21:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

this is a very intresting topic however oliver platt you are completely wrong about gerudo desert being two different places. its in the same bloody location in hyrule. although i have to say the sacrad grove and the lost woods are probly the same place. they both have skull kids (well a skull kid in twilight princess) which i dont think can leave the forest since they were once people who could never get out so i think your right there Oni Dark Link 22:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

First of, let me say XYZ that despite our diference last week, I actually applaud you. I agree that Oliver Platt is compleatly insane! There is no place in TP called Woodfall. Otherwise, it would be in the official game guide! I have this and have scaned it quite thourgholy, and can say that it doesn't exist. The only possiblity would be if this place is a glitch, but the way you describe it is far to intricate to be put in this catagory. Either print cold hard facts on this wiki, or leave us alone! Sincerely, Watcher.

Do you realize you just explained why that means nothing? Since it was transported there during the events of Twilight Princess, there is no reason why it should be there in Ocarina of Time, therefore its absence in Ocarina of Time means nothing. I'm saying that your two statements contradict each other: First you say that there is no Bulblin camp in Ocarina of Time, and then you say that there are no Bulblins in Ocarina of Time. By themselves, those statements don't contradict each other, but you said the first statement as if you expect there to be a Bulblin camp. Since there are no Bulblins in Ocarina of Time, there is no reason why there would be a camp. My main point, though, was not that there are no Bulblins in Ocarina of Time, but that the camp, like the Bridge of Eldin, was in the Gerudo Desert only for the duration of Twilight Princess. This means that them not being in Ocarina of Time means absolutely nothing. Anyway, you're free to believe that the Sacred Grove is the Lost Woods, but either way, it has nothing to do with Woodfall. You say everything as if I don't know what I'm talking about, when in reality, I've put up many difficulties with your theory, only two of which you addressed (not very well, I might add). I know about the theories surrounding the Sacred Grove being the Lost Woods, I know about the Cave of Ordeals and the Bridge of Eldin blocking it, so you don't need to explain those kinds of things to me, I already know. By the way, Oni Dark Link, Majora's Mask clearly depicts a Skull Kid leaving the Lost Woods at least twice (first when he meets Tatl and Tael in Termina Field and then during the events of Majora's Mask). Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 02:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Not another unusually long comments section.Solar flute

Platt, I've been thinking, and there are more problems with your theory than originaly stated. First off, let me sa that MM takes place in an entirely different world than Hyrule. How in the world could you access a location in Termina from Hyrule? You couldn't. Next, you forget that the Bridge of Eldin only was located on top of the Cave of Ordeals after you used it for the first time! And I mean used, not fought Bulbin. It's nonexistance in Oot doesn't matter. Finnaly, in case you haven't notice, Hyrule's geography changes from game to game. Look at the MAJOR differences betewwn LttP, Oot, and TP! It has changed radicly each time it has appeared, so much that entire locations have been wiped out. Only areas that are large enough to survive the ever changeing geography of the land. Oh, and one last thing, doesn't TP take place after the ADULT Link storyline? Even if Woodfall were in Hyrule, it would have been wiped out by the Great Flood. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about! This wiki needs you like I need to contract cancer! GO AWAY! Sincerelly, Watcher.

o yeah i forgot about majoros mask. hm they could be able to live in termina or something but im not going to make upu a load of stff just because im afraid to admit im wrong Oni Dark Link

ODI, while I will admit that Cuccos could live in Termina, that is not my point. If you have to get to Termina from the Lost Woods, than since they have probably disapeared by the time of TP, it is not possible to access Woodfall. OH, and Platt, if you continue to spread lies like this (it's not like we can stop you) could you make them a... OH right, we can stop you. Go away. Sincerelly, Watcher.

Actually, Watcher, Twilight Princess takes place in the child timeline. Not that makes it any more plausible...... Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 03:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for the corection XYZ. You're right though, it doesn't make it any more plausible. Sincerelly, Watcher.

HA!!!! HA!!!! causing mayhem sure is fun! You actually thought I was trying to prove myself right? WOODFALL IN TP HYRULE???? THAT'S INSANE! I just came up with that when I voted! Well, I have caused enough mayhem... nice... Oh, XYZ (and/or anyone who reads this), my friend was right... You know, it was my friend who told me about this place. And he really was right when he told me not to discuss with you because you were two stressed and that you pointed out every single mistake... Oh, well. Goodbye, everybody. Yes, I'm leaving. You can celebrate. I'll probably come back next year... two cause more mayhem... Maybe with another username... Whatever. BYE!!! HAHAHAHAHA!! I'LL BE BACK, XYZ! Oliver Platt 15:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Oni Dark Link you should call yourself skull kid and seriously you hardly excepted anyone to believe you. i mean you said the cuccos had attacks. how would you know the names of the attacks?

Damn it... I just hope he doesn't come back. Hey, isn't this vandalism? I mean, this whole thing about Woodfall in TP? Why shouldn't we ban him? I know he may come back with another username like he stated, but won't we know it if that happens? And then we would just ban him again! AND he offended (or tried to offend) Xykeb Zraliv. Let's do something! -PhantomGanonUsurper27

Dude, that's kind of pathetic. You're annoying, and that's about it. This isn't "mayhem". This is just some moron making some ridicuolous theory. I'm telling you why your theory is wrong, and that's all I'm doing. I'm not "offended" or "stressed". I'm a perfectionist and I don't like it when people say things that are incorrect, that's all. Your weak attempts at "mayhem" aren't working. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 19:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

"annoying"? dude, he's offending me! ban him! ban him! What? I am the one who have to be banned, PGU27? How nice of you to tell me! Then what are you guys waiting for? Oliver Platt 19:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

You're the one saying that you're trying to cause mayhem. The way I see it, calling you annoying should be a compliment for you. Also, I'm not going to get banned for something as petty as that. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 19:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Guys, despite what everyone has been saying, we need to do something. Platt is clearly a menace to this Wiki, and we need to take him down. First off, we need to make sure that everyone he says is not his boss is compleatly clear of any chance of actually holding that title. Lord Link, Toonlink, XYZ, Wolflinklover123, Midnaslave, LinkIsAVampire, and AuronKaizer, we need confrimation from you that you are not in service to Platt. this may seem like a lack of trust, but in this situation, we can trust nobody. When we have confrimation, I will check back with the next plan of attack. Sincerelly, Watcher.

Just smack a permanant IP based block on him for excessive rudeness. Why is it such a problem? Metroidhunter32 23:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

If you're that worried about it, contact an admin. The way I see it, though, he's only ever been annoying, and the last time I checked, that doesn't warrant a permanent IP block. Anyway, if it's important to you, I will confirm that I have nothing to do with Oliver Platt - though, you can probably tell that from my "conversation" with him. By the way, Watcher, if you're going to become a regular contributor to this wiki, you should make an account here. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 00:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

HAHAHAHA this is bloody hilarious. It's like one of those tests of human behavioural psychology I dish out every once in a random while on this very site. This man is crazed. I respect the hell out of crazy people. But seriously dawg. The guy hasn't done anything wrong. There's no reason to ban him. Banning people for being annoying? That would mean a hell of a lot of people would be banned by now, including myself and Zraliv. Just take it easy kiddies, nothing helps out activity like an insane guy spouting weird stuff. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 03:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Laughing at people that care about this wiki too much.......encouraging annoying people to be even more annoying......mentioning me whenever he talks about something negative......That's AuronKaizer for you. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 20:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

You forgot to include "doesn't have to take cuss from people". Seriously, if excessive rudeness were indeed a way to get banned, you'd be first in line. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 05:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I'm only rude to people that offend me. You're rude to anybody you want to be rude to. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 05:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

dont you see he is causeing mayhem now? your aruging amoungst your selves and he's got whaty hes wanted. no harm done lets just ignore him until he does it again oni dark link (im on a different computer so i havent signed in but this is oni dark link)

Actually, with AuronKaizer and me, Oliver Platt has nothing to do with it. The two of us simply don't have compatible personalities. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 21:28, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but it feels like it's been more than a week. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 05:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I made the next one one in my sandbox, but i can't archive. Solar flute

Guys, I've rethought the strategy, and I've come up with this conclusion. The only power Platt has is to cause mayhem, and all we do by discusing this is give him his satisfaction. So, here's the plan: Just forget about this incident and quit commenting about Platt. I shall keep watch over the voting and the rest of this wiki, so the next time this erupts, we can put it out fast. There is no need to ban Platt or look for his boss. Our silence will destroy him. Sincerely, Watcher.

Week 25: ??? vs. Dexihand

Strange Hand (Oracle of Ages)
Strange Hand (Oracle of Ages)

A battle of seemingly disembodied arms.

Votes for ???

  1. I'm voting for this guy!!! He's like the comic relief in the game.Ocarinaoftime
  2. This random guy is creepy and disturbing, but at least he gives you a Piece of Heart if you help him with his...problem. Do we really have to extrapolate here? Dexihands are good enough enemies and have brought me some trouble, but I like ??? more. Besides, ??? also made a re-appearance in Oracle of Ages. Why that should count? Beats me, but there it is. --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 14:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  3. This guy is weird but I'll vote for him anyway. User:Darth Boba Fett
  4. The guy wants to wipe...he's not being mean and blocking the way. He's just a dude in the can, and totally has my vote. Jaygo Katarr 16:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  5. His smell alone would stop Dexihand in its tracks. Scarletspeed7 16:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  6. The rock paper scissors thing was funny, but this guy doesn't try to get in our way, he's just a random dude stuck in a toilet (I think it's a dude... maybe it's just a hand...) whom needs paper. And like Scarlet Speed said, his smell... I assume isn't very good... Xicera
  7. This guy is helpfull and seeing as the dexihand is partially decayed he would break as he trys to drag ??? out of the toilet seeing as he can't get out himself otherwise he would get toilet paper for himself. Metroidhunter32 22:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
  8. I haven't played majora's mask but i like this guy for some reason. I have spoken the words of wisdom. Spirit of time
  9. I thought this was funny as hell and usefull, with the Piece of Heart and all. Also, I don't know much about Dexihand. LapisScarab
  10.  ??? rocks! I no know who th' Dexihand iz[User: Sonic Fan]
  11. Who is Dexihand? Of course I know who ??? is, I mean like, he is a hand sticking out of a toilot for crying out loud. How could you miss him. But where the heck is Dexihand? What does he do? Oh well. -_- I have to say ??? has my vote. User:Dragonmaster kayla
  12. He is very strange and misterious. OddGoron
  13. Dexihand was a dissapointing enemy to me--Power courage wisdom and time 00:18, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

  1. Dude, a hand out of a toilet? Said enough, didn't I?
  2. I don't know who the other guy is. I just remebered. Dexihands were too easy. 04:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC) (Formerly LeoLab)

Votes for Dexihand

  1. Battles between the two would be reduced to rock-paper-scissors, and ??? would always choose paper. Solar flute
  2. The toilet hand just weird so i'm voting for dexihand! Ssherry92
  3. Please. It's this or a hand sticking out of a toilet. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 02:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
  4. At least Dexihand has a name. Guy22
  5. obiusly dexihand. (he?)would throw a goron at ??? and ??? would be crushed. User:linkpwns
  6. dexihand would pull ??? out of hit toilet throw him around and then bring him back to the start of the dungeon (in this case the rest room) and do it again.Oni Dark Link 22:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
  7. Hand in wall vs. hand in toilet...heck, anything is better than a hand coming out of the toilet.Moblin Slayer 20:13, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

  1. The Dexihand is an actual enemy. The other one is a stupid NPC
  2. Is that hand coming out of a toilet???
  3. at least dexi hand is an actual enmy. if its a fight dexihand would win because ??? is stuck in that toilet (ps even though there both great games majoros mask is better but this has no outcome on my decsion)
  4. Few things in the Zeldaverse can move a Goron, more or less throw it, so I'm going for this guy!
  5. Let's assume for a moment that this is an actual batle. The victor would depend on if ??? actualy has a body. If he does, then he might have a chance, but he's probably not a very violent guy. If he doesn't then Dexihand can actualy win becase all ??? is is an arm. Either way, I'd put my money on Dexihand.

Peanut Gallery

There weren't any bigger dexihand images. Solar flute

So what do you guys think? Arm or thumb wrestling? Metroidhunter32 22:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking something more along the lines of mud wrestling. ...Oh, that ISN'T mud?!? --AuronKaizerTalk loud, hit harder! 22:08, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be rock-paper-scissors. Solar flute 05:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow....I'm kind of shocked that people are actually going for the dude who's hand is sticking out of a toilet. I mean, even if I didn't know anything about Dexihand, I would still vote for it. I'm not saying that everybody should agree with me, but I still think it's kind of weird that so many people are voting for ???. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 10:44, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

to answer all of the "who/what's dexihand?"s, it's an enemy in Majora's Mask that has good throwing skills. Next time you don't know what one of the battlers is, just read the article. Solar flute

Why didn't we go with the floor/wall master? They've been in many more games, and people know them well. SageofWater

Because It wasn't suggested. Solar flute 23:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

ARRRGH!!!! I am so sick of people using the "I don't know who Dexihand is" excuse to vote for ???! This is a wiki! We have an article that explains what Dexihand is! That's the entire point of a wiki! On a side note, I wish people would stop implying that Dexihand is male. It's not even a single being to denote gender. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 20:00, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I've forgotten my password, but I have the wiki-coding for my sig in a word document. Just wondering if it would be okay to insert that for a member vote? See user talk:leolab to see an explanation. 23:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I guess I kind of lost control there. Seriously, though, if you don't know what somebody/something is, just read the article. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 02:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

scarletspeed7, how would a floating arm have a sense of smell? User:linkpwns

I don't see how people who played Majoras Mask could not know who one of them is and not know the other; aren't they from the same game?

Well, ??? reappeared in Oracle of Ages (yes, it doesn't make sense, but whatever). Still, that's a good point. I don't see that many people playing Oracle of Ages and not Majora's Mask. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 01:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

This fight has an unusually high amount of people using the literal definition of "fight". Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 01:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

you have a point there.honestly, how does a NPC fight? all he does is ask for paper. User:linkpwns

Oy, 5 and 6 for ???, Dexihand is nothing more than an arm; how could it smell? And to the guy two places above me, you got a problem with me using that definitian?

Dude, don't be so sensitive. I'm just noticing it and pointing it out. There's nothing wrong with using that definition; I'm just saying that there's an unusually high amount of people doing it. By the way, we're not anonymous users. We do have usernames, you know. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 18:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'm sorry; I just kinda flip out when people call me out like that. Truce? By the way, I'm not a user; I just wana be part of your comunity, OK?

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