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im not sure if or where this was discussed already but the land in Spirit Tracks is never refered to as New Hyrule nor even Hyrule itself. The only use of Hyrule in the game is used in conjunction with the castle, guards and Zelda Oni Dark Link 20:01, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Theres also some confusion witht the article. The land was inhabitated before Zelda and the pirates came to Hyrule. The battle with the demon king and spirits happened before they arrived. Oni Dark Link 20:04, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

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Yep. Its referred to as both "Hyrule" and "New Hyrule" in other, secondary sources.

Ok. But the page is still a nightmare. As I said the people from Hyrule were not the first settlers of the land. It says several times at the beginning of the game that the tracks were there before Zelda and her people, meaning the battle with Malladus happened before they came. Other settlers are mentioned in the prologue but they are not Zelda or her crew. Ill try and reworded it now. Oni Dark Link 20:12, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

What are these secondary sources, if you don't mind me asking? It's pretty stupid that they'd call the new land Hyrule after the big deal that was made in TWW about "That land will not be Hyrule. It will be YOUR land". "Hyrule Castle" is okay, because it's still the last name of the royal family... but for the entire land to be called Hyrule? Pretty silly. Especially since it was already inhabited. 95.150.82.217 19:59, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
Obviously stuff thats not in the game, like Nintendo Power. --Ocarina of Time (talk) 20:03, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
Well we need to call it something and the game gives no name and when that happens we turn to secondary sorces Oni Dark Link 22:20, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
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TALK QUOTESJOURNALSANDBOXDRAGON — 23:56, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
I personally think it should just be called Hyrule. If we call it New Hyrule, we're referring to a timeline. Because there has to be a timeline stating that this Hyrule comes after another Hyrule for us to call it New Hyrule. Personally, I believe that it is a new Hyrule, but aren't we supposed to be like, timeline-neutral in our articles? Oh yeah, and here's a quote: "So you've arrived at last, boy! And you too, Zelda of Hyrule!" That's Embrose, using the name Hyrule without referring to Hyrule Castle or the guards. And... yeah. That's all I have to say, I guess.
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We could do that because for all we know TMC takes place in 'New Hyrule' as well. But its up to what everyone else thinks because this is a major decision.

Spirit Tracks is kind of different though. It isnt a direct sequel but it is a clear sequel and not a thorized one like twilight princess and Wina Waker. the game heavily implies that it happens after Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass and since Hyrule was destroyed at the end of Wind Waker it cant be the same land. Oni Dark Link 00:19, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

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The appearance of Niko and the mention of Tetra clearly indicates that this is the new land.
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TALK QUOTESJOURNALSANDBOXDRAGON — 01:20, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
Hyrule wasn't really destroyed, though. Old Hyrule was flooded, but the islands of the Great Sea still remained. And even though I guess the canon-ness of calling it Hyrule is debatable, there's still at least some in-game quotes that suggest that it's called Hyrule. However, I searched a text dump for "New Hyrule", and that name isn't mentioned anywhere.

As i said "the land in Spirit Tracks is never refered to as New Hyrule nor even Hyrule itself. The only use of Hyrule in the game is used in conjunction with the castle, guards and Zelda". And i think Hyrule was more then flooded at the end of Wind Waker. The King Wished for it to be washed away and what the beholder wants the triforce must grant Oni Dark Link 01:24, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

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TALK QUOTESJOURNALSANDBOXDRAGON — 01:39, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
You have a point. But when Hyrule is used in conjunction with the castle, guards, and Zelda, like you said, it sorta suggests that the land might be called Hyrule. And about the thing being flooded, if it was totally destroyed, then the islands would be destroyed too. At the end of the game, Link waves goodbye to everyone on Outset Island, so the islands (and therefore the high elevation points of Hyrule) still remain.
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But the kingdom itself (all the buildings) would now be gone. Im not so sure about the references to zelda and the castle being Hyrule since as you said Embrose referes to her as Zelda of Hyrule which he wouldnt bother if that was the name he himself lived in. unless the people of Hyrule came in and started calling it Hyrule and the Lokomos just ignored them and called what ever they did before
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This may need to go to a vote. Since both sides have pros and cons, and there are users on both sides.
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TALK QUOTESJOURNALSANDBOXDRAGON — 23:20, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
In response to Oni's comment about "Zelda of Hyrule", it could just be a title of respect, or something. Y'know, like, "Barrack Obama, President of the United States," adding the bit about the country they are head of to make the title more impressive. And about them calling it Hyrule, maybe it didn't have a name before. Take the Native Americans for example, did they call America anything before the Europeans came? (forgive me if I have my history wrong) The name "America" came from an Italian explorer named Amerigo Vespucci. And in the game, Niko says (as part of the prologue) "Suddenly bereft of both demons and spirits, this land was entrusted to us." I'm assuming "us" is referring to Tetra's Pirates, and since (Wind Waker spoiler, but if you've played Phantom Hourglass you already know this) Tetra is Zelda, she had the skills to rule a kingdom, so that's how Princess Zelda came to rule the place. And it seems that she really wanted to call it Hyrule, from the big deal she made about it at the end of WW.

It is possible but Tetra and her pirates werent the ones who were entrusted with the land. There were settlers before that. At the sotart of the game its said several times that they dont know where the tracks came from and other tings say it as well. Any way we need to call the article something and we know its not the same land as Old Hyrule so calling it New Hyrule seems to be the best way to go. Oni Dark Link 02:01, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

About my edit...

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Okay, so the war was before Tetra and her crew came bc Niko says, "With their power drained, the spirits of good returned to the heavens. Suddenly bereft of both demons and spirits, this land was entrusted to us." "Us" means Tetra's Pirates. That's why it's the Hyrulean Royal Family that's ruling the place.
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I think Niko was just trying to give it a story teller feel and by us he probably meant people in general and not deitys of some sort. Others at hyrule castle town say the spirit tracks (a result of the war) we're around long before they were. The Lokomo also seems to treat Zelda's people as if theyre relatively new to the land.

Heres the quote I was thinking off. Im not sure who said it i think it might of been a soilder or someone at the castle.

It's said that our kingdom was established about a hundred years ago... But I hear that the Spirit Tracks are even older than the kingdom. And did you know that they all meet at the Tower of Spirits that's nearby? It's all very mysterious, don't you think?

It seems like they didn't give it a name on purpose. At lest three people (including Zelda) call it just The Kingdom at the start of the game. Most of them make sense but Zelda says to Alfonzo he was the best swordsman in all the kingdom. They could of easily given it a name there.

Usually it's Oni who misinterprets things like that...no offense. --AuronKaizer! 14:41, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
Heh. That IP was me. Oni Dark Link 15:42, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
I was talking about Lisa. --AuronKaizer! 15:43, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
Um? I must've misinterpreted your comment because I don't know what I misinterpreted. —Lisa URAQT Tetra

If youlook in the instruction Manual, on the charchter profiles, is says that cole is chancellor of HYRULE. --Z£L/)A FAN 777 06:33, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Quote

I can not find that quote in a text dump (and the one I use is the inferior American text for the purposes of this site). Can anyone confirm when and in what version she says it? Oni Dark Link 00:07, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Language

On the page it says the main language is Hylian, but I don't see anywhere in the game where someone speaks or writes in Hylian. In Wind Waker, which took place before this, Hylian was considered an ancient language that not many people could understand, so I don't think anyone speaks it in New Hyrule. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perseus Haolysce (talkcontribs)

From what I understand of Hylian, you are correct; the newest version, "New Hylian syllabary", was the common language just before the Great Flood, and over the however-many hundred years passed from then until TWW, people forgot that language until only a few people understood it (mostly those who had been alive before the flood), so logically, this could not have been the native language of New Hyrule. The page on the subject does a horrible job of explaining this in its current state, though... Jedimasterlink (talk) 18:19, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

So should it be changed since it is not a Language of New Hyrule? --Perseus Haolysce (talk) 22:43, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

I think so, though it's possible we're misunderstanding something. I'll ask one of the other admins about this. Jedimasterlink (talk) 23:39, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
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