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[[User: 08:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)==Gender==

"It is unknown whether Majora is a male or female, while having the appearance of a male, it behaves like a female."

Umm ... how does it behave like a female? I cannot claim to understand entirely female behavior, but most women I have known do not spiritually possess masks, drive moons into planets, or lash heroic children with whip-like tentacles. I think someone has a really weird idea of what constitutes feminine behavior. --68.41.122.213 14:25, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I took that part out. Last time I checked, masks don't have genders.--Herbsewell 14:30, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm gonna revert that. There are several reasons why Majora can be a female.
Feminine shrieks
Long hair as Majora's Mask
Doing Ballet dances as the Incarnation and behaving like a giddy little girl
As Majora's Wrath, the eyes of the mask appear to be breasts.
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  • How can it have a sex, it's a mask?--Herbsewell 02:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Majora is not a mask. Its the deity inhabiting the mask. Its the spirit of a living thing inside the Mask. DjMackmy talk
Ah, that's explains it. Sorry if I don't know to much about Majora but I never played the game.--Herbsewell 18:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

isnt Majora the cutest thing youve seen?

Well, if you want to get down to it, I think Majora is a male. It incarnates itself as a male child inside the moon, for starters. When it bulks up it has a distinctly male build. Also, the high-pitched voice is a cliche that's used to illustrate insanity. So, IF Majora has a gender at all, it's probably male.

Godhood

Is Majora a god or is it just some kind of wield spirit / ghost / crazed human who prossesed a mask?

Here's what I think about Majora: A strange being was defeated by someone and turned into a mask (Majora's Mask). That mask possessed the skull kid when he put it on, but was defeated by link. So his being was then non-corporeal. Then he went to Koholint Island and was the leader of the Nightmares, but was again defeated by link. Later he possessed a minish named Vaati and was defeated three times before abandoning him. Later Hyrule was flooded and he wandered into the Temple of the Ocean King, which healed him and gave him back his original form, Bellum. He took over the temple, but link defeated him again. If you've been counting, than see that he's been defeated seven times, which is the number of times that is needed to truly destroy him. So according to that he is not a god, he is just someone who needed to be locked away into a mask. Fused Shadow 15:32, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Omni Bahamut Vaati 02:04, 19 January 2008 (UTC)I belive Majora has no gender.so it's most likely an it.


Melanie Rachel Ravenswood 08:16, 15 February 2008 (UTC)It can destory an entire planet so it may be a god.Also I consider it to be the strongest being in Zelda.

What evidence or implications are there that ANY of those four villains are connected? First of all, Majora exists only in Termina, whereas all those other villains are in Hyrule (With the possible exception of Bellum, who may have been part of another world, as implied at the end of the game). Also, Dethl (The Nightmare), along with the rest of Kolohint Island, is part of the Wind Fish's (And Link's) dream. And Vaati clearly has a personality of his own. Bellum could not be Majora's original form, because Majora's Wrath is either Majora's original form, or is very similar to his/her/its original form. Plus, if they're all one being, why would Majora take on 3 names (Vaati doesn't count because Vaati would have been already named before Majora could have possessed him)? And why would he/she/it look so different in Majora's Wrath form and Dethl form? And that's just the stuff that I came up with off the top of my head. Honestly, I really don't think your theory holds well. Xykeb Zraliv 12:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Hehe, if you were to check every theory on this page, you'd find a lot of theories that don't "hold well". --AuronKaizerAccolades! 13:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, at least those theories that don't hold well are influenced by some implication, whereas this person seems to think this only to make sense of and connect the main villains of Zelda, without any real proof or suggestions as to why it COULD be true. Xykeb Zraliv 13:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The game left off with the very strong implication (but not the outright statement) that Majora was killed. Last time I checked Gods don't die so if he is a God he'll return to torment Link in a future sequel (which isn't entirely nonsensical since most of the best villain ideas for the Zelda series have been used up). --Flashpenny (talk) 01:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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'fraid you're wrong there. Most religions' gods are dead. And still are.


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Most gods that are for religions that have multiple dieties can die, it's just really hard to finish them off.
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I meant completely obliterated, never has a chance of returning to Earth etc. If Majora is truly a God then he'll just be back for some more genocidal plots later in the series.
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That's just fanfic-ish.
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That is kinda my point. If Majora wasn't gone for good Shigeru and co. would have surely introduced by now. He's (most likely) dead. In other words: he ain't a God.
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Going back to what I said... gods can die and have died.
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In reality or fiction. Because in either I never seen so. And I do mean the actual Gods not their incarnations (as in Jesus Christ).


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I seem to remeber one greek gods being finished off. Not one of the big ones but I remember something about him being way important.
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Oh wait yeah I remember a time in pop culture that happened. Ever played the game God of War? The eponymous baddy Ares is obliterated at the end.
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Well, I'm not going to get into a whole conversation about religion and whatnot, but ... wait why are we even talking about this again?
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One of the Norse gods were killed by Loki by having a mistletoe flicked at him.

religons kind of condritic themselves ALOT (kind of like nintendo). so their death is disputable. besides it all depends on what religion you mean. obviously in a montestic religion the god cant die because then the the whole religion would get very confused Oni Dark Link 18:52, 28 June 2009 (UTC)


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Barring the usual view as a god as leader of the religion, I think we should look as a god as a super powerfull being that could be thought of as the creator of everything even if they arn't. In that point of view then Majora is definatly a god. In the classic style then that dark tribe mentioned probally worhiped him meaing he is a god any way you look a it.

gender

it's genderless

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My guess is that Majora's male (because of the muscular build of Majora's Wrath) but is a transvestite.

I also think it's male but for a different reason. During that one scene where Majora talked the lilt it had seemed masculine. I mean really it just wouldn't sound right if a woman's voice said "I will consume... EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!" --Big Poe=Nice Guy (talk) 20:20, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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I think it's genderless. There are reasons its female and Male. Did you know names that end with an a are normally female names? Majora's eyes assumably turn into breasts, and the female shrieks it cries. But then again, it is super muscular in it's wrath. I'd say it's an it.

Majora, Majora's Mask boss, Majora's Mask mask

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Do we really need about 6 pages of Majora, I think that if we fuse all those article itd look less "stubed" and itll be FA (Let me do this please!)
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It's my goal to make everything within reason have their separate articles, depending on how individual those are. They are different things, so they are given different articles. No dice...
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Ok, I got that… But look at this fisrt. They have all joined together in one article and looks great. if not, at least join Majora with Majora's Mask (mask)

id vote for that merge but keep the boss pages seperate Oni Dark Link 21:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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I think the current pages are all correctly individual and aptly named. Majora is the spirit of the mask. Majora's Mask is the actual mask. Majora's Mask (boss) is the first of the three boss fights. Then Majora's Incarnation and Majora's Wrath. Makes sense to me.

we have the same page for goron link and goron mask so why not have the same page on majora and the pysical form he takes? its much the same info anyway. Oni Dark Link 22:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Counterpart?

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Majora does not seem to have a Hyrulean Counterpart, unless it's Ganondorf.
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Seeing as every other counterpart looks exactly the same (except for some wearing different clothing), I doubt that Majora's counterpart is Ganondorf. For that matter, there are quite a few characters without any counterparts at all - Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Kafei, Mayor Dotour, Madame Aroma, every member of the Indigo-Gos except Lulu, Pamela, Pamela's Father, Igos du Ikana, Igos' Servants, Darunia, Impa, Saria, Nabooru, Darmani, Goron Elder, Goron Elder's Son, and as you mentioned, Majora....quite possibly some others that I've forgotten too.

captain keeta, deku king, buttler, princess all of the monkeys, kokiri and garo there are plenty of people who dont have counter parts. the hole counter par thing wa just to give a different feel yet still maintain the ocarina of timeish feeling. Oni Dark Link 18:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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Oh yeah, and them. And the blacksmiths whose names I always mix up (Zubora and Gabora or something like that).

while we're pointlessly listing them i might as well add the Rosa Sisters, the beavers, the picture guy in the swamp, tingle, the mayors secetary, link goro and link of the gorons neither are counter parts of the other, the keaton the giant turtlue, the great deku tree and sprout, lord jabu jabu and epona. infact while i think about it there are no horses in termina. the gormon brothers suggest stealing one from the ranch when epona is the only one there. hm.. anyway i think thats everyone. Oni Dark Link 21:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

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Anju's Mother, Pierre, Navi, Tatl, Tael, Rauru and the Medicine Shop Man.
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Navi and Tatl are debatably counterparts of each other. I never really compared them, but I always thought they looked exactly the same. Again, I never compared them, but don't all scarecrows look exactly alike? Because in that case, Pierre still kind of has a counterpart. Oh, and I have to add Mido, even though he could technically fall into the already-mentioned collective Kokiri race. He has a unique appearance, so I think he should count for himself. And the Bombers. And King Zora. And ???. And Viscen is kind of a unique character even though he's just a knight with different colors and stuff...hm, maybe I should just make a list of non-counterpart characters on my userpage or something.
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I'm beginning to see a pattern here... honestly I don't see that the exact parallel world theory holds much water. There is just too much different about Termina. I think Nintendo just reused the meshes, textures, animations and sometimes names from Ocarina of Time for 75% of the Majora's Mask content to save work for themselves and came up with a theory to explain it afterward. They explain this by saying that Termina was created when the magic the goddesses used to create Hyrule "slipped between the cracks of time and space" and created it, it is an accidental world made up of the left over magic, hence there will be similarities to Hyrule such as certain people that look and behave like people in Hyrule, but there are too many differences between them to count. Termina is quite simply another world, and as such is reachable by almost anyone if they know the dimensional route. So in this sense, characters like Navi, Majora, Dark Link etc. don't need counterparts, they exist on their own. Anju in Hyrule is a completely separate person than Anju from Termina, they are only counterparts because Termina is made up of Hyrule's scraps, just how MM is made up of OoT's scraps. Sorry for the rant, heh heh, I got carried away.


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The Bombers are the counterparts of the Boy in the Graveyard and Toto is the counterpart of King Zora. Plus, Kamaro and the Old Lady from the Bomb Shop.

nintendo reused character models, and excused it away that Termania is parrell(mirrored whatever) to Hyrule, or at least in part. but it is almost completely different in everyother regard. thats how i look at it, and after playing through part of the game, i can see how it makes sense. they obvioulsy had to make new things, in order to make it newer(not that the idea was totally fresh, orginal and creative), but in order to make the game so quickly after OoT, they had to have reused some models.(sry that this is so long, im in too righting essays today :P)--C2 Phantom Zant 23:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


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Oh yeah, I forgot about the graveyard kid. And I don't understand how Toto is King Zora's counterpart...I mean, sure, they have similar faces and body structures, but King Zora is way bigger than Toto. Everybody else I can think of looks exactly like their counterparts save for their clothing. Oh, and I don't remember, but did that fisherman guy on Great Bay Coast have an OoT counterpart? Oh, and the Lunar Children.
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Yeah, the Fisherman's counterpart is the guy who runs the Treasure Chest Game.

It is my personal belief that Majora is actually the Terminian counterpart of Demise. Both are primordial beings who opposed the gods, both were defeated and imprisoned, both manners of imprisonment are highly imperfect, and both wished to destroy everything. Furthermore, when Demise breaks free, he is an imperfect incarnation of himself (The Imprisoned). When Majora fights you, we can assume that what we fight (Mask, Incarnation, Wrath) are also failed attempts by Majora to re-create itself. Finally, both beings were defeated completely by a Hero, The Hero of the Sky and the Fierce Deity respectively.

Majora need help

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I see this article just not too good to be featured, it have a few flaw that I don't like really. Specially in the theory section, it is just filled with fancy ideas. Also why the evil "Motive" of Majora should be a theory?! I just need to pay more attention to Featured Articles now on. Also something happen with this article that happens with some more around this wikia, is that we focus on making it look pretty in terms of literature and read, but they aren't informative nor supported by factious references.
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You make several good points. However, the time for voting for this article's status is over, and we don't have a "featured article demotion" system. Users that oppose an article's featured status need to ask themselves: could this ever in a million years be made into a featured article? If the answer is yes, then the user opposing it (along with others) should work on the article until it is up to their standards.
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Well yep, I can't do nothing about it's featuration, this was democratically elected in the end. I just wish this won't happen again not by my part nor by others. Also I want to point out another old thing, we should merge Majora's Mask (mask) article into this, is like what we did with Goron/Zora/Deku Link/Mask articles, both the mask and Majora have the almost the same information.

PD: It's better the Majora's Mask (mask) article.

Majula?

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Could somebody tell me where the source is for the original name being Majula? I've never heard that before.


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Neither have I.
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Probably from some early press release or something. Or an insane fanboy. Anyway, no proof.
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I use to read video gamer x's site and he said that it was originally called Majula, and thought it was Majula at first too.

sooo uhhh....wat?

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A long time ago,in the days when I was not very smart...I thought that maybe if the happy mask salesman was Majora,and if when he doesn't have the mask,(which almost all of the game he doesn't)is that why he is called the happy mask salesman? Without that mask,he's happy? And when he thinks about the skull kid that stole the mask,he starts to have a seizure...and starts to have a freak out. I mean MOOD SWINGS! (dang!wow...out of the subject.)just saying,might give you another opinion...everybody has that when I tell them mine...
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That's kind of spammy, but, HMS was pretty weird.


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Oh,I ate spam for breakfast,but besides that, I like to tell people about the things that I know or THINK I know. It's good to be heard. Then those opinions can be inferenced into the truth.Things that people don't want us to know.
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I could not make any sense from that.
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It's original, but I already see a major flaw in that theory: If he's happy without the mask, then why's he so desperate to get it back?
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Perhaps if he does he becomes the 00b3rHappy Mask Salesman?


Masks are Common for Twili, no?

{{I know speculation is best left away, but I somehow get the feeling that Majora's Mask may have originally come from a Twili-similar race, as it seems alot of Twili rulers wear masks (Midna, Zant, monsters (such as those that appear through the portals) ). The mask's eyes also seem to bear resemblance with Zant's real eyes, but I think that might be a possibility to include in the theories if I find some support and backup the facts.}}

theory of majora

[[BakaKidd:{{{sig}}}hey everyone what's your theory of majora. i'm interested to know!

twili made the majoras mask?

there is plenty of evidence shujesting that twili are the tribe that made the massk such as the talk that was in both twilight princess anid majoras mask the anchent ones chould be the mebers of the twili tribe and the masks of the twilight beasts reseble the eyes on majoras mask

Theory that keeps getting removed

Ok, so in the theory section I keep trying to say this:

Ganondorf

Some theories suggest the original Majora could be the Termina counterpart of Ganondorf. This also supports the theory stating that Fierce Deity is the Termina counterpart of Link. Fierce Deity, much like Link and Ganondorf, defeated Majora, causing him to be sealed away in a mask. Fierce Deity than sealed his power in a mask in case he was ever needed again.

But someone keeps removing it. I don't really see why, it has just as much basis as other theories out there, but I don't want to banned from this wiki. Can someone explain why this theory has "No factual basis"? Peter 10 (talk) 01:40, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

First off thank you for coming to the talk page with the issue rather than putting it up again. The problem here is that the only supporting evidence is that if the theory that the Fierce Deity is Link's Terminan equivalent is true, and if the theory that the Fierce Deity once defeated Majora is also true, Link's equivalent would have defeated a great evil, so maybe it could be Ganondorf. Since the only supporting evidence is based solely on two other theories, this is already very week. Second, even that evidence is refutable: Power level, good/evil alignment, and relationship to other characters are all not necessarily preserved between Hyrulean and Terminan equivalents. Koume and Kotake for example are not powerful evil witches in Termina, but friendly business owners, and Mr. Barten has no relation to Romani/Cremia even though their Hyrulean equivalents are a family. Basically the evil overlord status and possible defeat at the hands of Link is not something we can assume will be consistent across the two worlds. Since the only thing that is consistently the same between Hyrulean and Terminan counterparts is appearance, and none of Majora's appearances look remotely like Ganondorf (its voice included), there's just no particularly good reason to think that this theory is true. Majora is just as likely to be the Terminan equivalent of Vaati, or Veran, or the Wind Fish. There are some theories on the sight that are stretching it, and you may even have seen some that we should really remove, but generally they are going to have at least a single more solid connection going for them even if they are not extremely likely on the whole. Did that clarify anything?--FierceDeku 02:20, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not basing it on the other theory, the other theory is supported by this theory but that does not mean this theory spawned from that one. One reason it may be true is that although an alarming large number of characters in Ocarina of Time have counterparts in Termina, the three major exceptions are Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf. As the Zelda series established that the conflict between Link and Ganondorf is so large it rings throughout time and space causing Ganondorf to hunt down every version of Link, it's not that far of a stretch saying a being from an alternate version of Hyrule with great dark power who was taken down by a hero then came back, only to be defeated by Link would be Ganondorf's counterpart. If you then say that Majora is Ganondorf's counterpart, than many of the skull kid's action make sense, traveling outside of Termina to pick on Link because the mask is drawn towards to Link to exact its revenge on a hero, the giving of the Great Deity mask to Link make sense, especially if you believe the theory about Feirce Deity being Link's counterpart. Peter 10 (talk) 02:59, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, so lets ditch the FD being Link's counterpart aspect of this then. We're still left with Majora and Ganondorf, two characters with a vast number of differences who's only shared characteristic is that they are both very powerful and very evil (they are evil in different ways mind you, and have very different goals). As I was saying with the examples in my last post, Terminan equivalents to Hyruleans don't always maintain such characteristics, so to assume that Majora's power and evil attach him to Ganondorf is just not a connection we can make. Besides, even if we did assume that evil/power were preserved in this instance, there's nothing pointing to Ganondorf that wouldn't also point to Vaati, Onox, Veran, Zant, Ghirahim, Bellum, Nightmare, etc.. The one single thing that we always see that is consistent between Hyrulean and Terminan equivalents is a similar appearance. Ganodorf looks nothing like Majora. He doesn't act like Majora. The connection basically boils down to them both being main villains. The same logic could be used to say that Zant is another incarnation of Vaat.--FierceDeku 04:29, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Fierce Deku is right the only similarity is the main antagonism. Anyway if something is confusing anyone is that the article seems to have a lot of unnecessary theories.—TheNewSheik 05:48, August 24, 2011 (UTC)


My point is that although not all of the Hyrule/Termina counterparts are the same, it does make sense that the especially strong personalities (such as Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf) would follow the basic guide lines. Malon is a character that seems to be brought back in many games along with Link and Zelda and her character isn't to different in various versions, including her Termina counterpart. Considering the fact that these characters seem to always follow the same basic guidelines and the fact that there is no mention of Ganondorf or his Termina counterpart, I don't think it's too far of a stretch to suggest the possibility that Majora, a person of great power and great evil, would be the counterpart of Ganondorf, especially since we don't really know what he even looks like. There are theories that Majora was everything from a dragon who ate people and existed outside of time to the Happy Mask Salesman himself. I could go on about it's wouldn't be that hard to believe since Ganondorf has been the main villain in almost every Zelda game, or about how Majora's mask changes forms in the final battle much like Ganondorf turning into Ganon, but I'm not. Remember, I'm not asking you to believe this theory, I'm just asking you to let me put it in the theories section, so please, just give it a chance. Peter 10 (talk) 02:54, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

First off, form changes happen with pretty much every final boss. Part of this might be that we just need more opinions (we're getting into the repeating ourselves portion of the discussion). As far as the other similarly out there theories, this theory section is just a pain because A) Majora is so mysterious that you can't absolutely disprove much, and B) There are a some widespread popular theories that may be worth a mention just for that reason. I'm constantly struggling with whether I think we should remove a lot of the theories currently up. One thing with that first theory for example, is that while it may be just as much of a stretch as Ganon being Majora, it has several interesting points to make about the lunar children situation and various similarities between things. These things are components of a lot of other theories and as such we're more inclined to mention them somewhere.
With this theory though, Ganon and Majora not only have many differences, but the whole theory hinges entirely on one, broad, vague, and not especially strong similarity; both of them being main villains. The very different looks and voices also still bother me since that's the one thing that we always see stay the same between equivalents (granted we've not necessarily seen Majora's true form, if one ever existed, but the forms we see may share some similarity with it. That voice and shape have to originate from somewhere, and it doesn't seem like Ganondorf is that somwhere.). There's also still the fact that someone like Vaati or Zant is an equally good candidate for Majora's identity. Again, maybe what we really need here is more people's opinions, but those are my own thoughts at the moment.--FierceDeku 04:31, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


Well also there's a theory in there about how Majora might be a demon. Since Ganon was a demon that transformed Ganondorf, or that Ganondorf turned into, couldn't Majora be the Termina counterpart of Ganon (not Ganondorf per say). If you follow that train of thought it also makes sense, just like Majora was resurrected through the skull kid, Ganon was resurrected through Ganondorf. This theory could be added on to the bottom of the demon theory. Peter 10 (talk) 22:03, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Bear in mind not every character has both a known Teminan and Hylian counter part. The list of those who don't is actually quite long and there is no real reason that Link, Zelda, Ganondorf or an of the others need to have a counter part Oni Dark Link 22:12, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Ganon is never said to be an at all separate entity from Ganondorf. That's just an unsupported theory. Every time we see multiple forms of Ganon it's just because he acquired some great power and was able to transform into something. That doesn't mean the thing he transforms into is a separate being.--FierceDeku 22:38, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's an unsupported theory. Multiple times in the series Ganon is referred to as a demon. Some of the incarnations of Ganon are never referred to as Ganondorf to begin with, suggesting that while Ganondorf is "dead" or trapped in the Twilight Realm (depending on the timeline) the demon is taking new hosts which is very similar to the strategy of Majora's mask. The mask finds new hosts until it either finds the best host, or gains more power than the host could continue to provide and then attacks people only to be stopped by a hero. Even in OoT, when Ganondorf turns into Ganon it's because he looses control of the Triforce of power, which could suggest that Ganon took over Ganondorf and used the Triforce's power to turn into the beast he did. But then again, I'm not here to fight about whether Ganon and Ganondorf have always been the same person. Peter 10 (talk) 05:37, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

@Oni Dark Link If you referring to the fact that there are many characters in Majora's Mask that are not in Ocarina of Time, I would like to point out that: 1) Obviously OoT was made before MM 2) I never said it was a two way street. Just because most OoT characters (besides the sages) have Termina counterparts does not mean that most Terminians have Hyrule counterparts.

I'd also like to point out that it is true not every character as a counter part in MM, but most of the main characters do. The majority if not all the towns people return, the workers at Lon Lon ranch, and even the running man have counter parts. I just think it would be weird for the 3 biggest characters to not have counterparts. Link being Fierce Deity and Ganon being Majora make sense to me.

And once again I would like to remind everyone I'm not trying to convince you it's true, I just want you to admit that it's a theory with enough logic behind it to be included in the theory section.Peter 10 (talk) 05:53, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

@first of the recent posts: Ganondorf has also been referred to as a god, that doesn't mean he is one. If I acquired great dark power and took over the world they'd call me a demon too. The reason many Ganon's are never called Ganondorf is because they aren't seen in human form in those games, and Ganondorf/Ganon are generally used to denote the human and beast forms. Actually, human Ganondorf is called Ganon a number of times in WW (probably a mistake in the writing more than anything). The point is it's not ever implied that the two names denote separate beings. And there's no reason to believe that Ganondorf loses control of the Triforce of Power in OoT, in fact he seems to more or less maintain his composure, and his hand gesture implies that he's intentionally using it to transform. There's not really any evidence to support the idea that something possessed any of the Ganons/Ganondorfs, I think the theory was mainly just popularized by people who want the single Ganon theory to be true in the face of increasing evidence against it and got desperate. We don't need to assume an unmentioned demon is possessing people in a universe where Link and Zelda and whoever have umpteen incarnations anyway. This is way off topic yes, but I guess I'm trying to say the above ideas don't really help the Majora/Ganon thing.--FierceDeku 06:33, August 26, 2011 (UTC)
@response to Oni: The list of characters from OoT without Terminan counterparts is considerable and also includes very important characters (though I don't see why prominence in OoT's story matters to this discussion): Saria, Darunia, Nabooru, Impa, Raru, the entire Kokiri race, The Deku Tree, Jabu-Jabu, King Zora, Link the Goron and the Hot Rodder Goron (distinguishable by their size), a number of people in Castle Town/Kakariko that I'm not going to bother to name or describe, Link's equivalency is only a theory, Ganondorf's equivalency is only this theory you're talking about here, and I haven't even heard a theory about Zelda having an equivalent. Clearly there are gaps including people both central and ancillary to OoT's particular plot, as well as an entire race. We also see Terminans like Tingle/???/etc. who have equivalents in other games/time periods, furthering the question of why OoT is so important, and why would Ganondorf be Majora's equivalent and not Vaati/Zant/etc.. Only one of Hyrule's "big three" has anyone who looks anything like them in Termina, so I don't see why we should expect all of them to be seen in the game/exist in Termina. I also don't see why "big deal-ness" would be preserved between the two dimensions when many other traits are not. The connection in this theory is just too broad and vague, and I haven't heard any other supporting evidence that isn't itself a fairly weak theory. Again, I know some of the stuff that's already in the theory section is a stretch on the whole (and some of it may need pruning/rewriting), but it also has specific notable connections that tie the leaps of speculation together.--FierceDeku 06:33, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

The sages play a huge role in Ocarina of Time and among them only Ruto gets a counterpart. Malon, Talon and the running man are all minor characters in Ocarina of Time. Importance is not what decided who got a counter part when the were making the game. And to be clear in only two sets of games has Ganon appeared without any mention of Ganondorf. The NES games and the Oracle games one of which was made before the concept of Ganondorf (and the other features Ganondorf's mothers people closely related to the gerudo form). Every other instance Ganondorf has made some appearance either with in game appearance or minor mentions. Oni Dark Link 10:32, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Why was my theory removed

Why was this removed from the theory section?It's a normal theory I neither claim to be real or used any swear or slang in?

"It is also possible that there is not one but several entities within majora's mask. This theory states that as when it took control over the Moon there is one main entity, Majora that consumes the very souls of the things it destroys. This is given more proof by the fact that it takes many forms during the final battle. It may feed off of the souls for power but an effect of this might be that parts of the souls personality may be 'lodged' inside Majora forever. This would also give reason for Majora to give Link the greatest weapon in the entire series, the Fierce Diety's Mask as it may have been one of the multiple personas Majora has consumed over the years trying to provide a way to destroy Majora and free itself. It may also have been an evil persona wanting to corrupt Link. This theory offers that the reason for Majora's insanity is due to both the power and the souls 'he' must contain and, like some real life cases, the constant power struggle between him and the multiple personas inside him. If this is the case his own struggle for power eventually caused his demise, either giving Link the Fierce Diety mask or the inablity to control his form and having them formed from the souls he absorbed, so in truth he has no true form or rather no longer has one."

I believe it might have been in admin so i won't re-post it most likelyDesacabose (talk) 22:23, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Dude my theory about Evil Crystals was also removed and i asked why but no one has answered yet...--Longhorn Velez (talk) 21:57, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Do either of you check edit summaries? Both AK and I explained why we removed the theories that we did. I spend way too much time explaining this, but basically, if a theory isn't based in hard fact, then we don't put it up. You can't "assume" things about the series. For instance, I could say that I believe that Majora is actually the spirit of a dead cat, and yes, nothing in the series contradicts that, but nothing actually supports it either. In order for a theory to be accepted it needs to a) make sense and b) be based in enough fact, which neither of your theories were. Sorry, but that's just how we do things. -Minish Link 22:00, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Ok i tend to forget that you are an admin and im not, but i thought that the theory template said: "This section contains theoretical information based on the viewpoints or research of one or several other users." but i will do whatever you say boss--Longhorn Velez (talk) 22:06, April 6, 2012 (UTC)


I shortened my original theory that provided facts or story of the newer refined one I'll post my older one here

My original theory before shortened went like this

Throughout the game Majora speaks in third person on one occasion calling itself 'we' at the end of the game Majora assumes several different forms. It is possible as when Majora states he will consume everything whilst controlling the Moon that Mojora's Mask is actually a holder of multiple souls. But when he consumes a soul or being part of the personality is left behind this is provided furtger proof when during the games ending Majora seems to have withheld parts of the Skull Kids personality as he is shown as a sad lonely child who was cast out as the other 'children' play, similiar as to what the Skull Kid thought happened to him. Also notable is that when it gives the player the Fierce Deity Mask this would have likely been one of the many beings inside the mask attempting to help Link destroy Majora. Or vice versa an evil Being attempting to corrupt him. The Happy Mask salesmen did not provide any power to the mask as , for it to begin consuming him, he chose not to wear it. However when Majora began consuming the skull kids energy the Skull Kids nicer more playful side began to cause Majora to cause. Yet when it needs to fight link in combat the multiple beings in it disallow his true form to be shown hence it doesn't truly have one. the tribe noticed this which is why they attempted to hide it as they noticed the powers it began to gain.This tribe is also inadvertently the cause of it's evilness as during it's use in hexing rituals it gained it's power ond original personality.

I normally rat on admins who tend to go overboard on using the powers they have but after looking back over my post it lacks cold hard facts and uses only story provided details but I suppose I have no true power.Desacabose (talk) 22:32, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

There is no "admin power" for removing bad theories. Any user can and will remove a theory that is poorly conceived, poorly written, or otherwise unfit to be put on the wiki. It just so happens that Minish is an admin, and all that really means in this context is that you should trust his judgment unless he gives you a particular reason not, which he hasn't. In fact, the mere suggestion of Minish going "overboard" with his powers in this situation is baffling considering that he is completely in the right. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 23:40, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

I completely understand you’re point Xykeb, but all I’m saying is that been an admin doesn't give a license to be arrogant or hostile. If your going to correct me please do because that's the way we learn, but at least make it perfectly clear why I’m wrong, that way I will learn from my mistake.--Longhorn Velez (talk) 00:52, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Minish and AK were both completely clear, and neither was even remotely arrogant or hostile. If you can't comprehend what they said, that's more your problem than theirs. I don't know how to say it any clearer than "your theory doesn't have enough basis in facts". Frankly, I shouldn't have to, because in my opinion that's pretty much as clear as anybody would ever need to be. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 01:02, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

See what I mean about hostilities? You know what; let’s leave it here because I know I’m not going to win. --Longhorn Velez (talk) 01:08, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

In that case the "masked child theory" realies on too little actual facts having only oneDesacabose (talk) 14:44, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

It should also be noted that the game states it was used in hexing rituals.And the creators have stated it was used in torture and hexing rituals and that he will neither deny or confirm the ikana tribes involvement Desacabose (talk) 14:48, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Even the weak theory about the fierce diety was rebuked by the creator saying" The Adult Link Mask was originally developed as the fourth transformation mask in the game. Near the end of development, the developers changed this mask to the Fierce Deity's Mask in order to add variety to the transformation, but still maintain an older version of Link in the game. This is evident in Link's voice while wearing the mask; it is the same voice as adult Link from Ocarina of Time"Desacabose (talk) 14:52, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Not that I disagree with you in this case, but you should really make sure that people agree with you before removing a theory that has been there for a long time. And before you bring this up, it's different to remove a theory some random person just added and removing a theory that has been there for a while. It's a matter of perspective: you can make changes to a page that are obviously beneficial (expansion, clarification, etc.), but when making a subjective change such as adding or removing a theory, you maintain the status quo until the consensus agrees on something. That being said, I don't disagree with you about that particular theory you removed being overly speculative and I would vouch for its continued removal. In the future, though, wait for a response. As for the Fierce Deity thing, there's nothing saying that they didn't add some last-minute backstory to the mask when they decided to add it in, or that they didn't change the circumstances by which you obtain the mask. There's also nothing saying they did. The truth is that that developer comment (if it really exists; I don't recall seeing it before, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here) is too vague to draw any conclusions from it, in support or opposition of theories involving the Fierce Deity. As such, we take what we know from the game, which is that Majora gives you an enigmatic mask the origins of which are unknown, and which seems to be connected to Majora in some way and can destroy it quite easily. That's plenty evidence to construct the "Fierce Deity and Majora fought in some capacity once before" idea, or at least the idea that their backstories are related in some way. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 21:22, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah...I...maybe should have waited I just started reading over them and thought"wait...but...the happy mask salesmen said..."I felt like it didn't have a basis on anything in the game and was just someone thinking of the children(who in my opinion are just the skull kids personality of feeling lost)because of the fact that the game it's self states it was used in hexing rituals and such not some kind of festival.Desacabose (talk) 14:06, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

as for the Majora's mask adult Link mask quote I feel like it pops up in generally the same way and with the mask appearing so mcuh in almost exact adult link face I feel like it has at least some truth.Desacabose (talk) 14:08, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

How is it different to remove one random theory that makes more sense than an older theory?My theory has more references than that one and it got removed.Isee no differenceDesacabose (talk) 17:58, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

And so did the one you removed. Both were dumb theories, and both deserved to be taken down. The difference is that when you add a theory, people will notice it, review it, and judge whether it should stay. That isn't necessarily so for older theories which are still around from the remnants of Zeldapedia's more theory-heavy days, since people tend to assume that if a theory has been around that long, it probably has some merit to it — that is to say, they don't check it and therefore don't realize if it's bad. Of course, that's sort of the thing: nobody else really knows what the theory was about, so they can't rightly support you taking it down without seeing it for themselves. That's why you're supposed to discuss it first, just to make sure. Again, it's a matter of status quo. You present the change of adding a theory, and people will judge it because it's new. You present the change of removing a theory, and people will judge it because it's new. In either case, you should discuss it first, since there's always the chance that people will disagree with you. Also, don't remove comments on talk pages, especially when you only take down individual comments out of context. Xykeb Yvolix Zraliv 19:19, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

Excatly what I'm talking about" edited by Jäzzi 7 minutes ago Summary: Undid revision 417078 by Desacabose (Talk) HAHA NOPE." No talking or real explanation just his/her own view. Also here's the item : Majora goes through the stages of human life during the final battle Being an infant when The mask itself the tendrils resembling umbilical cords. Then a child as Majora's incarnation, Taunting as many children do and resembling a small childlike creature. Finally an adult as Majora's Wrath Resembling a large adult creature with muscles and becoming stronger. If that's not bad adminship I don't know what isDesacabose (talk) 14:10, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Qoute from talk page "Be civil. If you haven't got something nice to say, please phrase it in the best way you can, otherwise don't say it."YEah real civil to say HAHA NOPE

What I find funny is the fact you don't check rights before making accusations of bad administration. Especially considering the fact our administrative team does a very good job at what they do.
Next, your theory, while it makes slight sense, is a single person theory. If I recall correctly, they need to be well weighted theories. Your theory was quite weak as well as a single weight theory.
Also, if you want to quote my talk page, make sure you find your maid to make it so that I call you a punk again. Seriously, you want to call me uncivil, read into your actions first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jäzzi (talkcontribs)

1.Sorry about that wasn't the maid it was my roomate as usual 2.How is it weak? IT clearly resembles said forms in said forms. 3.I have the odd urge to put it to a vote Desacabose (talk) 14:20, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, and this message is sent by my brother. Seriously, this is the internet, everybody says vandalism, trolling, and message altering is their "insert relation here". It's not believable, so stop. And as I said, it's weak because, well, have you seen it? It's two lines, hardly provides information, and is single weighted. And sorry to say, but I can almost guarantee it'll be an oppose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jäzzi (talkcontribs)

1.I tend to leave my desktop on when I go out and he tends to get on I understand how bad of an excuse it usually is but He's trying to get back at me for a certian..steam incident 2.When Majora's incarnation is running around it's shown to be very energetic as with most children, it appears to taunt link frequently in this form and does a multitude of playful gestures(while still being hostile) such as dancing or the fact the when running it sometime flaps it's arms like a chicken.Majora's Wrath is clearly meant to resemble something adult humanoid ish,It seems to have breasts(a feature mainly on adult females, it appears to have some muscle structure as most adult males do, its head appears fully formed unlike when it is MI, And It hasfully merged with it's mask. 3.Majora's Mask could represent an egg due to the way it appears on MI.Desacabose (talk) 14:34, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

You can try as hard as you want, but your theory is still weak. And seriously, just stop with your roommate excuse. And if you're old enough to be living with a roommate, you're old enough to know how to lock your computer. Your "roommate" excuse has been unbelievable since the day you said it. I'm not going to debate this theory as I feel it is weak and my opinion won't change. And clearly other people don't agree with the theory either. Now I recommend that you take a break and cool it because you obviously have an anti-admin view. Even going so much as to assume that anybody who reverts your edit is an admin. --Jazzi 14:39, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I don't have an anti admin view(hat would be chaosDesacabose (talk) 14:43, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

I AM WOLF THE TROLL KIRBY, AND I CAME UP WITH AN AWESOME MAJORA THEORY.

In the beginning of the world, the three goddesses not only created Hyrule, but also Termina, and these two areas were linked together like pangea was(our world like a billion years ago.) The goddesses also created the four gods of Termina, each inhabiting a different region of Termina. One ofthe ways to access Termina was a warp passage in the lost woods. Which would explain why it is there. Yet the goddesses also created evil beings. Who were majora and demise. But they created a hero that could defeat majora, due to how powerful it was. And thus sealed it away. As millenia's went on, the face of the world changed and Termina and Hyrule were separated. If what is spoken of the link of the fused shadows and majoras mask is true, then the twili may have inhabited both worlds until they were sealed away. And there location in Hyrule was Kakariko Village and the location in Termina was Ikana. That is all i remember of the theory i made up. Forgot my signature --Wolf the troll kirby (talk) 01:56, December 30, 2014 (UTC)Wolf the troll kirby

That's an interesting theory, but it's somewhat confusing and has little evidence supporting it. Although you're certainly better than the many users who just go ahead and post their theories without consulting the community. HH Tektite (The Legend of Zelda) 03:21, December 30, 2014 (UTC)m
Agreed. I'm not 100% sure what it has to do with Majora. Sounds more like another creation theory to me. —Ceiling Master 03:46, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

No, irpt related to majora because there could have been twili living in both worlds, and the twili living in Termina could have worshipped Majora untilthey were sealed away. Or even they worshipped it after they were sealed away. But also, take a look at the mask, and then look at the fused shadows, try putting them together for a big surprise. Also, why were you up at 3:21 and 3:42 am? Nevermind, my device is saying wierd times. -Wolf the troll kirby (talk) 12:49, December 30, 2014 (UTC)Wolf the troll kirby

That's not a theory. It's basically a fanon backstory. I could "theorize" Majora was a merchant in the Skyward Sword era called Bob who was transformed into a demon by Ghirahim for ripping him off on the price of cloaks. Nothing in the games makes this an impossibility, it could happen, but there is still nothing to suggest it, just like your "theory". Also circumstantial evidence suggests Majora doesn't come from Termina at all. Oni Dark Link 13:06, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

What? That makes no sense. Especially since majora looks more female than male and termina may not be part of hyrule. Unless it can be proven that part of hyrule in Skyward Sword is actually Termina. --Wolf the troll kirby (talk) 14:13, December 30, 2014 (UTC)Wolf the troll kirby

That... was kind of the point. It doesn't make sense, but it's not impossible. There's no evidence either way, so it can't really be called a valid theory. —Ceiling Master 16:12, December 30, 2014 (UTC)


"Majora"

Random thought that has probably been suggested and debunked before, but has anyone ever thought that "Majora" is the name of the tribe that the Happy Mask Salesman references? Or maybe Majora is really the moon? Probably not, but, hey, why not voice my opinion. KirPOW! Created by NerdyBoutKirby What hit me? 22:32, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

You know what, I've actually never considered that idea about the tribe before. Just from looking at the mask's name, it could just as easily mean "Mask of the Majora tribe" as "Mask of the malevolent entity named Majora". Majora as the malevolent entity still makes a bit more sense to me because "Majora's Incarnation" is more fitting for a spirit/deity/thing than a tribe, but that's all I have as a counterargument. I've heard the idea about the moon before, but I think it's pretty clear that Majora (or "the malevolent entity") speaks and acts through the mask before anything else, which is why it could influence Skull Kid while he wore it. Jedimasterlink (talk) 00:40, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

If the theory is to be added, it would suit better on the Ancient Ones page, it needs a bit of bulking up and the idea relates more to them than the entity, funnily enough. Oni Dark Link 03:23, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

It's possible, that Majora is a god of somes sorts as a tribe used the Mask in rituals. This leeds to the theory Majora was a god of the Ancient Ones.[[User:Twilight Despair 5|]] ([[The God of Creation]]) (talk) 18:39, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

when majora possesed skull kid

I think the mask didn't posses the skull kid until after he stole the ocarina of time, because he lifted up the mask in the opening cutscene, if true then all the havoc they caused in termina happened while link was chasing him after he was cursed, and yes it is possible because the skull kid would have had to move pretty fast which they obvisouly do, because it wouldn't have taken link that long to catch up to him after Tatl got separated.Pikmin theories (talk) 15:31, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

umm why are the manga considered nocanon I MEAN THERE LITERALLY MADE BY NINTENDO ARENT THEY!?!?!?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crespen Lumen (talkcontribs)

We consider the main series games to be canon. I've never read the manga personally, but to my knowledge, they're mostly alternate tellings of the stories in the games, with some added backstory that we consider non-canon. —Ceiling Master 20:46, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

Being made by Nintendo doesn't mean it's in the same canon. Smash Bros was also made by Nintendo and that's obviously not canon. Check the manual of style to see how we decide what is and what isn't canon. Oni Dark Link 02:36, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

but still why would they publish a story about zelda if its not canon?

You don't seem to understand what canon is. If it helps, think of it as canon to its own manga continuity but not canon to the main Zelda storyline as depicted in the games. Oni Dark Link 11:56, June 13, 2017 (UTC)

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