Couldn't there have possibly been more than one Shiekah Villages?
The fact that Hidden Village is Ocarina of Time's Kakariko isn't an "unconfrimed fan-made theory", so why is it treated as such? The sign that says 'Welcome to Old Kakarico' should be proof enough, even if it does contain a misspelling. It is also clear, through Impaz, that Hidden Village was the Kakariko where the Sheikah lived, and since the Kakariko in Ocarina of Time is also the Kakariko where the Sheikah lived, it is clear that they are one and the same. Rob 64 12:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Rob 64
Well I think that you need to understand that the Hidden Village's location is way off of Death Mountain's in Twilight Princess. The village is north of Death Mountain, OoT's Kakariko was south of it. However If we look at the difference between OoT's Hyrule Map and TP's, we would find that Death mountain would be Northwest of Hyrule, since Zora's Domain is now North in TP, but it's not. In other words, Hyrule went through some major shifts between OoT and TP, as far as I'm concerned, TP can ruin every timeline theory because of its differences in locations. The fact of the Hidden Village being OoT's Kakariko can never be known for sure until the reason for Hyrule's major overhaul between Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess is revealed. — Steve
What about the fact that the 'Kakariko Shootout' stage in Link's Crossbow Training takes place in Hidden Village? Rob 64 14:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)Rob 64
Nintendo is very vague when it comes to the timeline of the Zelda franchise. For all we know, the Kakariko Village in OoT was a moved location meaning the "Old Kakariko" was before OoT. Now let's tak a look at the Hidden Village's characteristics, it doesn't have a graveyard, but Kakariko does. HV isn't connected to Death Mountain at all while KV is and its over all location is way off.— Steve
True enough, but that was simply for the purposes of gameplay. Don't you ever wonder why the temple of time is now situated in the middle of the Lost Woods? It shouldn't be, but it makes things simpler for the purposes of a stand-alone story. I think it's fair enough to assume, since:
1. Impaz is descended from Impa, and Impa clearly resided in Ocarina of Time's Kakariko (even founded it). 2. The sign which reads 'Welcome to Old Kakarico' could have meant another Kakariko, if Twilght Princess didn't take place right after Ocarina of Time (which is first in the timeline, apart from The Minish Cap and Four Swords, where Kakariko didn't exist anyway. If you remember, OoT's Kakariko has to be the first anyway, since it was founded by Impa), which it clearly does. 3. Who's to say that the mountain range around Hidden Village isn't the old Death Mountain Trail? It could easily have linked to Death Mountain in times gone by (and there are Tektites present like in OoT). 4. They were very clear about it in Link's Crossbow Training. Hidden Village stage; Kakariko Shootout. This is one thing they haven't been vague about, as Impaz, the sign, and the LCT stage all point towards.
Put simply, the sign is a link to an Old Kakariko, but Impaz is the link to the Old kakariko.
I'm not trying to start an argument, and I understand what you are saying (good points, by the way), but your points are more relative to the elements of gameplay, and Twilight Princess as a stand-alone story. My points however, aren't exactly refutable without resorting to wild conjecture. In fact, the three key points I've mentioned are pretty clear, more so than anything else Nintendo have done continuity-wise. Crossbow Training pretty much acts as confirmation.
We really need some more opinions here though, eh, Steven? Rob 64 15:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)Rob 64
- Impa founded the Hidden Village (assuming Impa is in fact the namesake of Impaz, which I think is a fair one to make), but she was born in OoT's Kakariko, no? At least, that's what the Impa article says, and that's according to a quote from her, although I also recall someone in Kakariko saying that Impa founded the village.... So, assuming that Impa was born in OoT's Kakariko, that would make it impossible for it to also be a town she founded (as per Impaz' conversation with Link).
- That aside however, I've got to circle back to what Steven said about the Hidden Village not resembling Kakariko at all. You're right that some things have been moved around in TP, some really drastically, and it would be a very good point, except that there happens to be another village right where Kakariko should be, with a graveyard like Kakariko should have, which is also named Kakariko Village.
- As for Link's Crossbow Training, it's pretty hard for me to accept that game as canon, but even still, all it really suggests is that the Hidden Village is named Kakariko, which we know already from the sign, not necessarily that it is the Kakariko from OoT. Jimbo Jambo 20:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, here's some more theories:
- 1. We know from Ocarina of Time that Impa is the leader of Kakariko Village and that she opened it up to the Castle Town residents.
- "Hello there, son. Zelda's attendant, the great Impa, opened this village to the common people" (guard)
- "A great woman, Impa, opened this village to us poor folk." (villager)
- We know Impa opened up the village to Castle Town residents. It could be assumed that Kakariko was opened to the Hylians because there were no Sheikah living there, but we do not have proof that this is the case.
- "They say that Princess Zelda's nanny is actually one of the Sheikah, who many thought had died out." (gossip stone)
- "Have you heard the legend of the "Shadow Folk"? They are the Sheikah...the shadows of the Hylians. They say they swore allegiance to the King of Hyrule and guarded the Royal Family. But with the long peace, no one has seen a Sheikah around here for a long time. However... I heard there is one Sheikah woman living in the castle..." (villager)
- So, we know the Sheikah are thought to have died out, but we do not have verification that Impa is the only one. It is plausible that the surviving Sheikah moved from Kakariko to the Hidden Village.
- "That belonged to the tribe that protected the Hylian royal family long ago. They worked in secret, so they lived in a lonely, forgotten place. But I heard that tribe dwindled in the prolonged wars..." (Cor Goron)
- Cor Goron's quote reflects that the Sheikah needed a secret village because they performed secret tasks. So, it is possible that the Sheikah in service to the Royal Family lived in the Hidden Village, while those who did not perform secret tasks lived in Kakariko (it makes sense that some would not be in service--some Sheikah must have normal families for the race to survive). This would make it possible for the Hidden Village to have been built before Kakariko, resulting in old and new Kakariko. They all lived in Old Kakariko, and New Kakariko was built later so that the Sheikah not in service could have a regular lifestyle with the rest of Hyrule. The Hidden Village/Old Kakariko would be hidden away somewhere in OOT with the surviving Sheikah. In fact, something of this nature would almost be required for Impaz to have been a descendant of Impa (if we assume Impaz is a full-blooded Sheikah). Impa could have founded either village, depending on her age and the age of the villages.
- 2. It is noted that Kasuto is the only village of The Adventure of Link which does not have a counterpart in OOT. Old and New Kakariko could reflect Old and New Kasuto.
- 3. It may or may not be the case that the Hidden Village is not Kakariko. Since the sign is misspelled, it could have been an afterthought or hastily-added feature that should not be considered in canonicity. Again--it may or may not be the case; I don't think we can decide this one without a statement from Nintendo.
- So, if my first point is true, it would preserve the Kakariko/Graveyard/Death Mountain geography while making Old Kakariko a possibility. Have I missed anything that should be taken into consideration? I don't have the best memory, so I did some quote research. Many thanks to everyone else for your theories! -Wodo, Sage of Mediocrity 00:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- I'm still not sure what this suggested theory is getting at. Could you sum it down to a few points? Anyway, the page itself seemed to be misleading. The newest edits to it were trying to disprove the Hidden Village as OoT's Kakiriko Village, which was/and never will be stated on the page. No one is disagreeing that OoT's KV = TP's KV. Axiomist (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think Wodo's point is that Kakariko's description from OoT points towards Hidden Village NOT being OoT's Kakariko (contrary to the popular belief that they're the same due to the "Old Kakarico" sign in Hidden Village), but instead that OoT's and TP's Kakariko are one and the same, and Hidden Village is a different Kakariko that is older than BOTH games' incarnations of Kakariko (instead of just being older than TP's and thus being the same as OoT's), but that the hints, while pointing towards that direction, are still not absolutely conclusive. And I for one, agree with him. VeggiePopper 21:14, 20 April 2013 (UTC)