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ive always thought that swift blade the first was the father or grandfather of the swift blade brothers judging by his name. i mean if they were all brothers the parents named the first two the same. i havnt played minish cap in a while though (thanks to anthony...never mind that comment) but does it ever make referance to him being a brother? Oni Dark Link 12:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Of course not. We're just generalizing to avoid a lot of rational thinking, like we do around here. --AuronKaizer! 12:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
ah i see Oni Dark Link 13:20, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

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Xykeb Zraliv – 2. Then came the time when the Men of the land of Technology discovered the great Tree that was the Prince’s soul, and the Men said
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Maybe we should make one article for all the brothers? After all, each individual article is pretty short, and could be made even shorter by removing the "somethingblade is a character from The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap" stuff.
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I couldn't agree more. Each article is simply a stub, and a list would be much better.
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Xykeb Zraliv – 2. And the Prince turned to the Innkeeper’s guest, and he said “You I shall not let live, for once before have I made this warning, and still my Soul aches with what is done to the wood that is my Soul, and I will spare no Man who injures me in this way.”
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Done. I moved the information to this page, changed the individual pages to redirects, and fixed every link leading to the old pages except one in an archive that I didn't want to mess with (it would just redirect here anyway). I don't know if individual sections were the best way to go (each one is pretty short), but I think it looks relatively nice and you can link to a specific brother this way with "[[Blade Brothers#(name of brother you're linking to)|(name of brother you're linking to)]]".
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EveryDayJoe45 – "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."--Benjamin Franklin
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They all have differences meaning they all deserve seperate articles. Unless there is virtually no differences at all between them like the Carpenters, they shouldn't be clumped into one article in Zelda Wiki style. The size of the pages does not matter, they can always be expanded. Can't believe I'm catching this now.

I agree with Joe, seperate characters, that are all different, deserve there own articles.-- C2 / CC 21:28, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

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Xykeb Zraliv – 1. And so the Prince who had been the Arrogant Man began his servitude to the King, and the King taught him the nature of Life, and of the true Purification.
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They're all pretty much the same except for where they're found and what they teach you. It's all pretty much the same information with a few slight changes.
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EveryDayJoe45 – "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."--Abraham Lincoln
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Those are some pretty big differences. Not to mention they all have official names, Ones a ghost, etc. We have seperate pages for Din, Nayru and Farore when they are very similar and we also have a group page entitled Three Goddesses.

It's like, this serve's as a hub-page for all the characters.-- C2 / CC 22:01, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

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Xykeb Zraliv – 4. “Only through Purification of the Aspects with Blessed Agony will a tarnished being again know my name.
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Well, change it if you want. You'll have to change all the links though.

Theory

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Xykeb Zraliv – 7. And the Prince was much displeased, for the Prideful Acolyte would in his arrogance interfere with the destiny of the Guide, and the Prideful Acolyte became the Puppet, and knew the name of the King.
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That theory makes no sense whatsoever. Just because he won the sword tournament thing (can't remember the name) at the Picori Festival? So did Smith. Does that make him a Blade Brother?
Possessed Zelda
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"It is believed that the Crenel Hermit is one of the Blade Brothers, considering how he said he was once a skilled swordsman"

It's just speculation, and we need to start removing the unnecessary ones.


Dude, just cause it says it is possible does not mean i am automatically saying Smith is a Blade Brother. Here are similarities of the Blade Brothers and the Hermit(or reasons):

  1. Both won the tournament
  2. Both are very great swordsman
  3. There are missing brothers.
  4. Both brag about them being great swordsmen.

--Shade Link (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


Oh, and HOW does it make Absolutely NO sense at all whatsoever? You say that to everything that you don't like, no offense.--Shade Link (talk) 21:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

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Xykeb Zraliv – 6. “You are not my Prince, O Arrogant Man. You were never truly of my Flesh.”
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Of course you're not saying that it automatically makes him a Blade Brother, I just can't understand how this theory has enough evidence to make it noteworthy at all. Why would every Blade Brother look relatively the same except for this guy? I simply see no constructive evidence pointing at him being a Blade Brother other than winning a sword tournament (being a great swordsman is pretty much stated by him winning the tournament, so I didn't mention that), which means very little seeing as there must be quite a lot of people that won that tournament. And you're absolutely right, I do say that everything I don't like makes absolutely no sense. Prime examples include me saying that school makes absolutely no sense, garbage makes absolutely no sense, and asparagus makes absolutely no sense.
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Ok, quit trying to look so smart(not trying to be offensive). I don't literally mean everything. And of course he wouldn't look exactly the same. Why would someone who has been living in a cave on top of a mountain with rolling boulders and enemies all over the place look the same as a swordplay trainer from a town?

Also, you are not reading everything I put as a reason. You are just reading the ones that don't support the theories as much as the other ones. What you look like you are doing is trying to avoid the reasons that support the theory better than the ones that don't so it looks like it doesn't exist. Read the whole thing before posting a comment. Don't look like you are only ignoring the "good" information(as in the facts that support the theory) cause you don't like my theory.--Shade Link (talk) 23:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


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Xykeb Zraliv – 1. The third Man who desired judgment was Frehorn, who had bought from those who made luxuries with the wood that was the Prince’s Soul, and against whom the Prince brought down the pain of the Soul. The Prince came and struck down the lover of Frehorn, and Frehorn knew the name of the King.
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The same reason a guy living behind a waterfall, or a guy living in an underground cavern, or a guy living in a cave blocked by a door that can only be opened by the Four Sword would look like a sworplay trainer from a town maybe? And yes, I am reading everything you're putting. I simply find that the only one that has any bearing at all on this theory is that he won the Picori Festival sword tournament. I mean, really? He brags about his skills? What kind of reason is that?

And yeah, there are missing brothers, but that means nothing in terms of the guy we're talking about specifically. Sure, it doesn't disprove that he could be a brother like it would if it said anything else...but all it's saying is that there are brothers we don't meet. It does not support this guy being in particular being a brother. I'm not avoiding any of your reasons, just ignoring the ones that don't support your theory in the slightest.

You're slowly getting on my nerves here. I don't mind that you're standing by your theory and trying to support it, but cut it out with the accusations of me trying to make your theory sound fake. I don't dislike your theory or whatever. I simply see no substance in it. If there were more evidence, I'd be perfectly willing to believe it. However, as it stands, there is very little supporting your theory, and even less that could really make a difference here. Give me something other than "well, he kind of acts arrogant the way they do and he's won a tournament that they won and he's good with a sword and stuff". Give me something hinting at them being related and I'll let the theory stay.

By the way, don't pretend to be civil here. You're not. You're clearly trying to make out that I'm ignoring your evidence and that I have no right to do that (and if I were, you'd probably be right). Don't try to honey it up with "no offense meant" or "it looks like you're...". That perhaps annoys me more than if you just went ahead and said it.

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I have to side with Xykeb here. All civility aside, the theory is not that strong. I have not played the game, but if anything this should credit my unbiased view; I've read the Blade Brothers article several times, I've seen the sprites, and the theory makes little sense to me. But even if the theory makes sense, Zeldapedia as a whole is supposed to be cracking down on theories, and removing the unnecessary ones. All of these "character a may be related to character b" theories are pretty pointless.


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Xykeb Zraliv – 4. And with this act, the Guide said “I see you now, Bridgekeeper; I have found you, and I have not forgotten.” And he came to the tree that was the Prince's Soul, for it was here that the carving of the Slave had been brought.
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Shade Link, unless you can give me another piece of evidence, I am removing the theory from the page. Please do not add it back in without discussing it here.


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I think Shade Link has a point in making a theory. Quoting "There are nine of us, not counting the ghost of Swiftblade the First." is making a hole in the game. It's an incentive to players to ask to themselves where are the missing pieces. I propose that we touch this subject in the article in a more slightly way. Something like: There is claimed that there are nine of the Swiftblades, not counting the SB the First. The identity of the other two is unknown, maybe they died, also some characters like the Crenel Hermit share some similitudes. Just an opinion, maybe including it without naming the hermit, but is necessary. Also the thing is that I share some Baltro's opinion, this Brothers aren't too much important, their relation bounds are just pointless until more proof appears, who is the second brother then?


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Xykeb Zraliv – 5. Then for ten score years this was so, the King allowed the races of Man and Demon to exist as they saw fit, and on the eight-and-twentieth day of every seventh month the King’s heart was hardened by what he saw in the land of Technology, and the subjects of the land of Magick would be quick to gladden him with offerings.
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It's already mentioned in the article, and that's all we need. Anything more than "Swiftblade mentions that there are more brothers than we meet" is too much speculation. All we need to do is mention it, and readers can take from that what they will.

Ok, every answer I mentioned is NOT in your quote, so prove to me you read absolutely everything I say. Here are my reasons:
#Both won the tournament

  1. Both are very great swordsman
  2. There are missing brothers.
  3. Both brag about them being great swordsmen.


Here is how they do so.


  1. The Crenel Hermit hints he won the tournament(similar to the Brothers)
  2. The Crenel Hermit brags about him being such a great swordsman, just like the brothers. "Ah, you have reached the dojo of the true best swordsman,{insert name here}blade!", or something that sounds like that.
  3. There are several we "haven't seen", making it possible.
  4. Both are great swordsmen.

--Shade Link (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Until you can convince me how THAT is not enough, i am putting it back.--Shade Link (talk) 11:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

And BTW, I am not trying to "honey it up" with "no offense". I was NOT trying to offend you at all. I was just putting "No offense" cause I hoped you would know that I was not trying to offend you at all. Also, you falsely accuse people way too much. You once accused me of taking advantage of the Temple of Courage, even though I wasn't. You accused me several times. And now you are accusing me of "trying to honey it up with no offense". If you have another reply, make sure it is not one as rude as the previous ones. I am sick of being polite if all I get are insults thrown in my face.--Shade Link (talk) 12:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


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Xykeb Zraliv – 2. Then came the time when the Men of the land of Technology discovered the great Tree that was the Prince’s soul, and the Men said
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Are you even listening to me? I'm aware of all of that "evidence". It's not enough. Smith fits all of those (and we can almost certainly rule him out) except bragging and really, that one bit of evidence isn't enough to fully designate somebody. Unless you can come up with something more than that, don't add it into the article. Do not add it back in unless you can come up with something more.

And I suppose I'm off your top five users list again?

your not on now, so that means your even farther away from there, in the bottom 5-- C2 / CC 19:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Obviously you knew I wouldn't have more info than "what you want." How is 4 similarities not enough? Every time someone does something you don't like, regardless of WHO likes it and who does not, you delete it and say that it makes no sense(not literally, so don't try to look all smart by saying the Garbage, school, etc. stuff). Face it Xykeb, you don't appreciate my edits. I am getting sick of doing ONE thing and you getting all worked up about it and start saying it "doesn't make sense" or "there is not enough info". There is plenty of info! What else do you want me to put there Xykeb? You, being an admin, should know that there are 4 facts and 4 are plenty. You should know that, cause I do, and I am lower than you.--Shade Link (talk) 20:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, the only real "evidence" is that he won the tournament. Being a good swordsman and bragging about it doesnt make him one, and the fact that two haven't been seen doesn't make him one.—Triforce 14Triforce4 21:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

If you carefully read the stuff, you can find it makes sense. Plus, you need to be a great swordsman in order to win the tournament.--Shade Link (talk) 21:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Not really, those three points are neither conclusive nor convincing.—Triforce 14Triforce4 21:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


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Xykeb Zraliv – 6. And the King said unto the Prince, “As you have willed it, so shall I arrange it, and so when the eight-and-twentieth day of the seventh month occurs, I shall permit you to return to the land of Technology and bring down your judgement upon the Men who have wronged you.”
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The amount of similarities doesn't matter; it's the quality of the similarities that makes a theory. And what's all this garbage about me not liking it? It's not that I don't like it, it's that I think that it has very little to support it. There are no theories that I "dislike" - just ones that I think have nothing to back them up. As I said, four facts would be plenty if each fact meant something. As it is, only one has anything to really back up this theory at all, the others are just filler things that state that it's possible.

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can i remove that enemies vaati thing? they never show any open hostility towards vaati nor do they ever even mentione him Oni Dark Link 13:38, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

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