Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

hello i just wanted 2 start this page off

Which friend was Link searching for?

Wasn't Link searching for his skull kid friend in the first place. After all, he might not have recognized the skull kid with Majora's Mask because he was acting mean. I used to be sure that Link was looking for Navi too but a couple years ago somebody explained Majora's mask to me differently (with Link searching for skull kid instead of Navi) and that kind of made sense too.

I'm pretty sure it was Navi. Sensibly, a missing close companion would cuase Link more worry than a one-time aquanitance. Not too mention, I believe, the backround sound hints at a fairy, ie Navi, is the missing friend.

As far as I know, there's nothing canon stating that Link was searching for Navi, but the general consensus in the Zelda Community is that Navi is the only realistic candidate. --Jin 16:11, 31 October 2006 (CST)

I know for sure it was Navi. The skull kid is actually a race, meaning there are many skull kids. By the way did you know it used to be called Legend of Zelda: Delayed quest for Navi?--Eponasowner 14:56, 18 November 2007 (EST)

W... what? No it wasn't. It was codenamed Zelda Gaiden, "gaiden" roughly meaning "side-story". Ando 17:00, 16 January 2008 (EST)

It's most likely Navi. During the sequence explaining the events in the beginning of the game, you can here Navi sparkly, jingly sound when it talks about Link looking for his friend. And there Skull Kids and THE Skull Kid. And it's never really been confirmed if the Skull Kids in the Lost Woods were the same Skull Kid or separate ones.--Green 23:08, 30 December 2007 (EST)

It's probably Navi. When they explain Link's quest in the beginning, you can definitely reconize Navi's jingly sound-and, in the Majora's Mask manga-it definitely is true Link was searching for Navi. I don't really think he would want to find Skull Kid. ZeldaGirl96 22:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Link was searching for a "beloved and invaluable" friend; Skull Kid doesn't fulfil either criteria. Rob 64 00:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The intro of MM clearly said "A friend with whom he parted ways when he finally fulfilled his heroic destiny and took his place among legends...". While it could be Zelda, why would Link be looking for her in the forest? It would only make sense for it to be Navi anyway. User:MARKOL/sig 22:48, 21 August 2008 (EST)

Pictures

In addition to filling in the empty header's I've put there, this page needs some bigger and more relevant screenshots/pictures. I've been searching for quite a while but I can't seem to find any decent ones.

History / Ports

I made this new section called "Ports and Remakes" and took the information from "History / Development" and put it there. I'll do this with every other game applicable, as well. If there are any objections, let me know. Ando 12:27, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Wow, great idea! This works really well and is a nice, clear and informative layout that can be used on every game article. Good work! --Adam ^(talk) 13:58, 18 January 2008 (EST)

:D Thanks. Ando 17:41, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Pronounciation

How do you actually pronounce Majora? A friend told me it is 'Manjora', it looks like, well, you know, and my parents pronounce it like the country. Oh and is Deku 'Dayku' or 'de-ku'.--L1NK 16:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

L1nk 16:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Majora - "Mah-joh-rah". Where the heck does "Manjora" come from? There is no "n". D:

Deku - "Deh-koo".

Also, your "parents pronounce it like the country"? Is there a country called Majora and I missed it? :O --Ando 21:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

It may also be spelt 'Mallorca' if that helps. And my friend thhinks because it's Japanese, it's pronounced differently. It's not like it isn't on this planet, Sean!!! Thanks a lot, you reallly helped out. Maybe we should put the pronounciation next to the name?L1nk 19:15, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, so there's a country called Majorca. Huh. Never knew that.
Regarding things being based off of Japanese, well... I speak Japanese, and that's what I based the pronunciations off of. Technically Majora's name is different in Japanese (actually being "Mujura" - "moo-joo-rah"), but going off of Japanese pronunciations Majora would be what I said. Still not sure where the "n" comes from if he's trying to base it off of Japanese. And if he REALLY wanted to get technical the "r" wouldn't really sound like an English "r" at all. BUT whatever.
As for adding pronunciations... it could work. We might want to do it in IPA pronunciation, though, I don't know. I'll have to talk with the rest of the staff about what we should do regarding that. --Ando 19:25, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, nobody else voiced an opinion so I went ahead and put in a system for IPA support here. I've added pronunciations for the two examples above (here: Majora's Mask (Boss), Deku), and at the moment I've left a space between each syllable to make it easier to read. (Also L1nk, Majorca isn't a country, it's part of Spain. You confused poor Ando! (and me at first ;P)) --Adamcox82 09:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Have the word pronounced instead like this: Pronounced.--Matt 09:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Guide canon...icity?

Technically, Prima guides are still official. Nintendo says "yup, you can make them" and gives them various press packages for art and stuff, and I assume that they have to pass it through Nintendo for approval first as well. They probably don't have to do any less than Nintendo Power. :/ NP was probably just going for something a little less vague sounding than "well it might have been navi but maybe it was skull kid they never actually say!!" After all, why would the English strategy guide makers know years after the game came out but nobody else? --Ando 04:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Prima guides are licensed by Nintendo. Nintendo Power guides are made by Nintendo. There's a big difference. Game developers are going to have much more pull on a Nintendo Power guide than a Prima one. Is is conclusive? No, not quite. It's really strong evidence however.--Mjr162006 04:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

And the years after the game came out thing is because it was a guide for when they took a Nes,Super Nes, and two N64 games and put them in a game cube game, then they made a guide with all four games in it. --Sibonsmagee 6:54, 5 June 2008 (CST)

Only a Nintendo guide was released for this collection. No Prima guide. Perhaps they wanted to clear up any confusion. If only they would do that on other issues as well.--Mjr162006 14:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

But you've gotta remember... we have absolutely no idea what goes into making a strategy guide. For all we know, the developers never look at a guide to confirm anything. Maybe they do? We don't know. But I've never trusted a strategy guide regardless of its maker to tell me factual information of that sort, but perhaps that's just me. --Ando 15:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, what kind of issues could you be talking about? :P

Minor details here and there. Things that are theories now that could be cleared up. Nothing in particular.--Mjr162006 16:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh. You, uh, clearly missed the joke. The joke... that... involved links. In my text. --Ando 18:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok that issues thing was funny . -- sibonsmagee 17:26, 5 June 2008

I didn't miss the joke. It was among the main things I was thinking of. I'll also note that the official guide from Nintendo Power states that Link is looking for Navi. The exact words are on page four and are: "Months after parting ways with his fairy sidekick, Navi, in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Link sets off to search for his missing companion." A Nintendo Power guide is much closer to being canon then a Prima guide. It seems fairly conclusive.--Mjr162006 05:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not saying that Link isn't looking for Navi -- heck, I totally believe that he is. The problem is that it's never explicitly stated in the game itself. Guides shouldn't be taken as canon, regardless of how close to the source they are. And given that some fans still believe that Skull Kid is the missing friend, it should be noted as a possibility instead of solid fact. --Ando 23:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The guide says "from Nintendo Power" because Nintendo Power published it, not wrote it. Nintendo Power is fully part of Nintendo of America, and it is not a separate entity. It was written by the Nintendo of America staff with assistance from Nintendo of Japan. It is not close to the source, it IS THE SOURCE. If we keep going in this direction of absolute canon is the only canon then this site will never accomplish anything at all. Look at Star Wars, there are about four levels of accepted canon with George Lucas being the highest. These Nintendo Power guides are no father from being official canon than Zelda.com is. So are you saying the all the names for well over two-thirds of our characters and enemies are no good just because they didn't come from the games? No, that's ridiculous. There is no difference in canonality from the Nintendo Power guides and Zelda.com. If Zelda.com is acceptable, then by logic, so is the Nintendo power guides. I would be surprised if the very same people worked on both. Hmmm? Did my head just explode?^_^--Mjr162006 00:42, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Question: How do you have this knowledge of what goes into the creation of a strategy guide? And how do you know that NP isn't a separate entity from NoA? I'm not saying that you're stupid or wrong or anything, I'm honestly asking. --Ando 01:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

For one thing, the guides have published by Nintendo of America Inc written inside. And Nintendo does that through Nintendo Power. Nintendo Power's online presence is fully integrated into Nintendo.com. I can put two and two together. It doesn't take that much effort to figure out.--Mjr162006 01:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

But again, does that mean that NoA fully fact-checks every last bit of the guides, or does NP do that? And even then, how do we know that NoA knows for a fact that Link was searching for Navi? For all we know it could have been something just assumed or lost in translation. What I'm trying to say is that we really can't know for sure. The best possible source would obviously be Aonuma himself, but... it's not like I have his phone number. :P --Ando 03:01, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

What I am trying to say is that Nintendo will definite check out its own work. If you write something yourself, do you just send it out without going over it, checking it? Of course you don't. No one in there right mind would publish something they made themselves without checking it first. Their ego is on the line. We can be assured because of their pride. It's human nature. But if someone else makes it, they could care less about its quality. Its really pretty simple.--Mjr162006 03:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

And before you say it. Little errors will always leak through. They run on a tight schedule remember.--Mjr162006 03:25, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, did you two argue over any thing eles before i came here?--Sibonsmagee 22:53, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

@Matt: Doesn't the "little errors will always leak through" only help to prove my point? :/

@Sibons: Um... you mean, like, before you joined, or what? --Ando 02:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

When I said "little errors will always leak through", I meant that little errors will always leak through in everything, everywhere. Not just guides. So it all balances out.--Mjr162006 03:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

well pretty much after i joined i made a change on this document so, yeah --Sibonsmagee 16:24, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Reception

Does anyone notice that the "Reception" section for this page is copied from Wikipedia? User:MARKOL/sig

Yeah, I'd noticed that a while ago, just never actually bothered to sit down and research reception scores and write a new version of the section. :P If you'd like to, go ahead, otherwise I can do it. User:Ando/sig 21:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Virtual Console?

The article mentions that Nintendo have announced a Virtual Console release for Majora's Mask, but I've not heard anything about this before I read it here. When was this announced? Does anyone have a link? Rob 64 15:07, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Where does the article say that? That hasn't been confirmed, so yeah you can delete that part. User:MARKOL/sig 11:09, 22 August 2008 (EST)

Ah, really? Well, I made that section, but the "Nintendo has announced blah blah blah" part was already there. I left it because, well, I don't know EVERYTHING about Zelda, so perhaps it was announced and I just missed it! But if no one here actually remembers it being announced, yeah, remove it. User:Ando/sig 18:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)