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Expanded the Story/Plot sections. I think it would be best for an organized effort to be made to make item sections look cleaner, too.
 
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|1 = Real Name = Freddy Fiorentino
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|6 = Currently Playing = ''[[The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures|Four Swords Adventures]]''<br>''[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons|Oracle of Seasons]]'' [[Linked Game]]<br>''[[The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks|Spirit Tracks]]''
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{{quote|What links Link to the Past's Link to Link's Awakening's Link?<br>Could Adventure of Link's Link be Link's Awakening's Link?|'''Kombatgod''', mumbling about the [[Zelda Timeline]]}}
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Possible addition of several items (links to the already created items from windwaker)
  
   
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Took out statement about WW being the first game not "temporally" (I don't even think that's a word) independant of the others. this is incorrect, Majora's Mask was the first game directly related to another; it is clear that the child Link from MM and OoT are the same.
  
   
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Hi there! I'm from Italy and I'm a contributor to some other game wikis, such as Mortal Kombat Wiki or Tekkenpedia...<br>
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==Timeline==
  
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Of course I'm a great fan of the Zelda seres, but my true speciality is the timeline! I don't only have my own theory, I have written down every possible timeline and found the most probable! In fact I'm currently working on the most accurate study of the timeline that's ever been written! I played almost every game in the series once (yes, also the CD-i games), but I still don't have them all.
   
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My current collection:
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TWW is on a seperate timeline from TP. TP shows signs of being set in a world where Link warned Zelda of the danger of Ganondorf (at the end of OoT, when he goes back in time), and TWW shows signs of being from the future Link left (for example, the stainglass images of the six sages in the Master Sword chamber and the second Deku Tree) {{nosig|38.116.192.97|09:26, 24 May 2007}}
  
   
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*[[The Legend of Zelda (Game)|The Legend of Zelda]]
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:I also think that TWW is supposed to be a sequel to ALttP, and not OoT. Many things in ancient Hyrule resemble that from ALttP's Hyrule. Such as Ganon's Tower and the bridge leading to the castle. {{nosig|Adzma|19:02, 10 June 2007}}
  
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*[[Zelda II: The Adventure of Link]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past#Ports and Remakes|The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past+Four Swords]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Minish Cap]]
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess]] ([[Wii]] version)
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*[[The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks]]
   
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I also have the first issue of [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Manga)|the Ocarina of Time manga by Akira Himekawa]] (and to me it sucks just like most comics based on games, such as Kingdom Hearts')
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I find it strange that Ganons return is so strange due to his return in TP. He was also stabbed through the heart with the Blade of Evil's blade in TP, meaning he shouldn't even be alive. {{nosig|Eponasowner|22:04, 28 December 2007}}
  
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That's all! Thank you! If you have any question about the timeline, or want to let me know your theory, don't be afraid to ask!
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=My artworks (yeah... "Art")=
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<center><gallery caption="What the world was asking for: [[Bipin and Blossom's son|Adult Bipsom]]'s artworks!!" perrow="4" widths="120px" heights="200px">
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File:BipsomFbyKG.png|[[Bipin and Blossom's son#Arborist|Farmer]][[File:Bipsom(Aborist).gif]]
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File:BipsomMbyKG.png|[[Bipin and Blossom's son#Musician|Musician]][[File:Bipsom(Singer).gif]]
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File:BipsomSbyKG.png|[[Bipin and Blossom's son#"Slacker"|Slacker]][[File:Bipsom_Slacker.gif]]
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File:BipsomWbyKG.png|[[Bipin and Blossom's son#Warrior|Warrior]][[File:Bipsom_Warrior.gif]]
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That kinda...no that really makes no sense, you think you can explain yourself better?...also I'm pretty sure ALttP is set after TP...but who cares.--[[User:Remus Lupo|Remo]] 18:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  
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This is just something I tought of. I don't think it would fit this encyclopedia anyway.
   
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:I think that Eponasowner was under the assumption that TWW and TP take place on the same timeline, hence the confusion. --[[User:Ando|Ando]] <small>''([[User talk:Ando|T]])''</small> 14:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
  
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|game = [[The Legend of Zelda (Game)|The Legend of Zelda]]
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|tris = Zelda has the ToW and the ToP.<br>Ganon then steals the ToP and she splits the ToW into 8 pieces.<br>In [[Zelda II: The Adventure of Link|Zelda II]] the ToC is reveiled to be hidden in the [[Great Palace]] by the ancient [[King of Hyrule (The Adventure of Link)|King of Hyrule]].
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|trie = Zelda and Link recovered the ToP and the ToW. The ToC is still hidden.
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|ganons = Alive and well, in his beast form. Leader of an army of monsters.
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|ganone = Dead and burned to ashes.
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:I'm pretty sure that TWW is on a separate timeline from the others, however, the intro in TWW and the interview leads me to accept that, maybe TP, though released later, happened before TWW. And, Eponasowner, remember, though you may have stabbed Gannon in the heart in TP, but you also stab him in the forehead and turn him to stone in TWW. Gannondorf never "dies;" he only gets sealed away, waiting for the time when that seal fails. --[[User:Unionhawk|Unionhawk]] 22:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
  
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|game = [[Zelda II: The Adventure of Link]]
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|tris = The ToW and the ToP are safe in [[Hyrule Castle]].<br> The ToC is hidden in the [[Great Palace]].
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|trie = Whole safe in Hyrule Castle.
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|ganons = Dead and burned to ashes.
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|ganone = Dead and burned to ashes.
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|SSs = Unknown, but there are cities apparently named after them.
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|SSe = Unknown, but there are cities apparently named after them.
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TWW is on the Adult timeline, TP is on the Child timeline. So really ''when'' they happened in regards to each other is irrelevant in most situations, given that their events don't correspond with each other. --[[User:Ando|Ando]] 22:43, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
  
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|game = [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]]
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|tris = United and kept in the [[Sacred Realm]]
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|trie = Split: Ganon has the ToP, Link has the ToC and Zelda has the ToW.
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|MSs = In its pedestal in the Temple of Time.
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|MSe = In its pedestal in the Temple of Time.
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|ganons = Human, known as Ganondorf, and leader of the [[Gerudo]] tribe.
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|ganone = Sealed in the Sacred Realm.
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|SSs = They have to be awakened with the exception of [[Rauru]] and [[Zelda]]. Supposed to only exist as spirits of the Ancient Sages, with only those two exceptions.
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|SSe = All seven awakened and with full power.
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=Some stupid things, just for fun, you know...=
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== Second Quest ==
  
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[[File:Gamorrean_Guard_with_Axe.jpg|thumb|left|200px|A [[Moblin]] armed with axe as he appears in [[Wikipedia:Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi|Star Wars Episode VI]]...]]
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Is there anywhere on the page that would be a good place to put what happens if you replay the story after defeating Ganon-for example, on the given Orange file with the Triforce symbol on it, in the beginning Link is given "invisible Hero's Clothes" (with some funny dialogue), Aryll's dress is different, etc. [[User:ZeldaGirl96|ZeldaGirl96]] 13:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  
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[[File:Ganon's_feet_stink.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The King of Evil [[Ganon]] as he appears in [[The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Wind Waker]]'s opening. Note the smoke coming from his feet, representing their deadly smell.]]
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{{ImageCaption|image=File:OoX_First_Gen_Link.png|size=100px|caption=[[Link]] as he appears in [[The Legend of Zelda (Game)|the original game]], as he appears in [[Oracle Series|the ''Oracle'' games]][[Magic Ring#First Gen Ring|...]]}}
   
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:Wait, it's not already on there? Sure, go on ahead. Make a section called "Second Quest" or something ''(that is its official name)'' somewhere lower on the page with the necessary info. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 17:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  
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[[Anjean]], [[Ezlo]] and [[Tetra]], known to have the same [[Wikipedia:hairstylist|hair stylist]]
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Reading through this article, I have to say that I find quite a large portion of it to be incredibly subjective. Statements like "Wind Waker is actually one of the most emotional games" would be better written as "because of x, y and z, Wind Waker ''could'' be considered one of the most emotional Zelda games". I don't want to offend anyone, but it seems like these portions of the article were written by an overly-defensive Wind Waker fan boy. Does anyone agree?--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] 01:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
  
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:Hmm...well, it does sort of list the reasons after that ("mainly because of..."), and even with references, but yeah, maybe it's not worded in the best possible way. ;p They certainly could be rewritten to sound more professional. Don't be afraid to fix things up as you see fit! :) I mean...if you want, haha. XD [[User:Dany36|Dany36]] 03:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
  
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::Sorry, I may have worded myself poorly. While it does give "a" reference, it links to what appears to be a fan-created commentary. I'm new here and don't know the specific rules of this wiki, so I'm not sure whether this source counts as credible or not, or even if that's what we're looking for. It's just that.... even if the reference ''was'' 100% credible, it's still one dude's opinion, and the wording makes it sound like a common consensus. And thanks for making me feel more welcome here, I'm just not sure whether I'm off base or not.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] 03:35, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
  
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:::Oh...I see. To be honest, I didn't really check the reference link, but...ah, it's from Destructoid, which in my opinion, isn't one of the most...err...credible sources. So I understand where you're coming from. And hey, no problem! We're glad to have you here as an editor. :) Any questions, feel free to message me or any of the other [[Zelda Wiki:Administrators|admins]]! [[User:Dany36|Dany36]] 04:26, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
  
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== Improved 'n' Reloaded, BUT..... ==
  
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I have added new sections, and reorganized others into a new section. The article looks better now. But it's now 39 kilobytes long (!!!), so some browsers might have trouble to load this article. If only there was a way to break the info into smaller sections..... --[[User:K2L|K2L]] 20:04, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
  
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:Don't worry about it too much, the Princess Zelda article is 59 KB long, so this isn't too bad. :P Also, lemme take this opportunity to congratulate you on the excellent job you've been doing improving the games articles! Keep up the AWESOME work! :) [[User:Dany36|Dany36]] 20:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
  
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One of the things that I noticed is that there is a sources tag on the controversy regarding the graphics. It would be difficult to find a source specifically mentioning the state of the fanbase circa 2001, considering that most of the evidence would be from comments and forum posts that have long since been deleted. This seems to be a common knowledge thing, considering that anyone who was a fan in 2001 would remember the large amount of backlash the graphics got. [[User:Ganondorfdude11|Ganondorfdude11]] 04:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
  
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:Although understandable, that's why I tagged it; at this point, it's necessary to remember that not all fans have been around since then. Quite a few have recently been picked up with titles such as ''Spirit Tracks'' and ''Phantom Hourglass'', and are unfamiliar with the controversy revolving around the toon-ish graphics. Quite simply put, I argue that they are needed as both a reference, and an example. The longer we wait before obtaining ''at least'' screenshots of said message boards, the harder it will be to find them in the future. However, if none are found, then so be it. It's quite a bold statement to make, for having no sources. It would never fly in a group where the main members or editors weren't so familiar with the games or their history. {{:User:Alter/sig}} <span style="color: #FFFFFF;">06:57, July 24, 2010 (UTC)</span>
  
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==An odd setting...==
  
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While reading through the Wind Waker page, I read the first paragraph of the Setting section and it said, 'The game is set in the Great Sea....
  
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Greatfish Isle used to be inhabited by Hylians as well and guarded by the sea spirit Jabun until Ganondorf nuked it and cast a curse on the entire Grat Sea.'
 
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Did anyone notice that bit about Ganondorf nuked Greatfish Isle and cursed the entire 'Grat' Sea?
  
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:Grat Sea? Must be a typo. I'm going to fix it. However, when you see things like these, try to fix them '''yourself''', okay? It's your task as an user =) --[[User:K2L|K2L]] ([[User talk:K2L|Interrogatory]]) 00:29, 21 September 2010 (EDT)
  

Revision as of 15:30, 7 March 2011

Kombatgod
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Real Name Freddy Fiorentino
Gender Male
Age 22
Location Florence, Italy
Edits {{#ec:Kombatgod}}
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Oracle of Seasons Linked Game
Spirit Tracks
Quote1 What links Link to the Past's Link to Link's Awakening's Link?
Could Adventure of Link's Link be Link's Awakening's Link? 		Quote2
— Kombatgod, mumbling about the Zelda Timeline


Hi there! I'm from Italy and I'm a contributor to some other game wikis, such as Mortal Kombat Wiki or Tekkenpedia...
Of course I'm a great fan of the Zelda seres, but my true speciality is the timeline! I don't only have my own theory, I have written down every possible timeline and found the most probable! In fact I'm currently working on the most accurate study of the timeline that's ever been written! I played almost every game in the series once (yes, also the CD-i games), but I still don't have them all.

My current collection:

I also have the first issue of the Ocarina of Time manga by Akira Himekawa (and to me it sucks just like most comics based on games, such as Kingdom Hearts') That's all! Thank you! If you have any question about the timeline, or want to let me know your theory, don't be afraid to ask!

My artworks (yeah... "Art")

Timeline guidelines

This is just something I tought of. I don't think it would fit this encyclopedia anyway.

The Legend of Zelda
Element Starting status Ending status
Triforce Zelda has the ToW and the ToP.
Ganon then steals the ToP and she splits the ToW into 8 pieces.
In Zelda II the ToC is reveiled to be hidden in the Great Palace by the ancient King of Hyrule. 		Zelda and Link recovered the ToP and the ToW. The ToC is still hidden.
Master Sword Unknown Unknown
Ganon Alive and well, in his beast form. Leader of an army of monsters. Dead and burned to ashes.
Seven Sages Unknown Unknown


Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
Element Starting status Ending status
Triforce The ToW and the ToP are safe in Hyrule Castle.
The ToC is hidden in the Great Palace. 		Whole safe in Hyrule Castle.
Master Sword Unknown Unknown
Ganon Dead and burned to ashes. Dead and burned to ashes.
Seven Sages Unknown, but there are cities apparently named after them. Unknown, but there are cities apparently named after them.


The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Element Starting status Ending status
Triforce United and kept in the Sacred Realm Split: Ganon has the ToP, Link has the ToC and Zelda has the ToW.
Master Sword In its pedestal in the Temple of Time. In its pedestal in the Temple of Time.
Ganon Human, known as Ganondorf, and leader of the Gerudo tribe. Sealed in the Sacred Realm.
Seven Sages They have to be awakened with the exception of Rauru and Zelda. Supposed to only exist as spirits of the Ancient Sages, with only those two exceptions. All seven awakened and with full power.

Some stupid things, just for fun, you know...

Gamorrean Guard with Axe

A Moblin armed with axe as he appears in Star Wars Episode VI...

Ganon's feet stink

The King of Evil Ganon as he appears in Wind Waker's opening. Note the smoke coming from his feet, representing their deadly smell.

File:OoX First Gen Link.png
Link as he appears in the original game, as he appears in the Oracle games...

File:Anjean.png Ezlo Manga File:Tetra FSA.png
Anjean, Ezlo and Tetra, known to have the same hair stylist

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