I was thinking we could extend this wiki by having diffrent languages. This of course, would be a huge project and would take a very long time. People who are fluent in other languages would have to take all 2000 someting articles and translate them into the other language. I know this would be a mega project, but would it be possible?--[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 00:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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:I don't think that is an option. Too many people are not fluent in any language but their own. Doing this would too many other languages showing up where they are not supposed to. This wiki is about a game series. When the games were translated from Japanese to English a whole bunch of the meaning was lost and it takes expert translators quite some time to get it to be acceptable. We just can't do that here. we're too small. Wikipedia is huge so it is not a problem for it. Besides, from my understanding, we do not have the server space or the bandwidth for such a project. The wikis out there that have multiple languages are all backed by huge corporations that can afford really big servers. We don't have that option and we don't want it. So no more extra languages.{{:User:Matt/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">01:17, July 20, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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So you guys may have noticed that I haven't been in for a while. That's because for the past few days I've been in bed with ''(what is assumed to be)'' pneumonia. Woo-hoo!<br>
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I'll still be jumping in every now and then to check for vandals and such, but the actual patrolling-of-edits is going to be quite backlogged for a while ''(unless Adam feels like playing a little catch-up for me? :D)''. Stay radical. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 14:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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::This was also attempted once. Some German guy made a copy of the [[Iron Knuckle]] page. Don't know what happened to it, think it got deleted. --[[User:Yuvorias|Felicia's Champion]] 01:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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:Yeah, I've noticed that. Because I don't own all the Zelda games, therefore meaning that I'm not one to add knowledge to pages, until I actually finish some games and start buying some classics, I usually look at he recent changes too. I've been noticing and saying "Where's Matt and Ando?". You both have been gone. Anyway, I hope you get better soon. {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 14:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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Pretty much what's been said here. Anyone who COULD write a different-language Wiki article is probably the only one on the site who could read it anyway. Most languages have at least a small Zelda-related Wiki in their language anyway ''(unless it's a really small language)''. I mean, if there were a LARGE, LARGE demand for such a thing, perhaps, but there's really not. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 01:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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:Hows the pneumonia? Fifth day and counting that you've been backlogged. {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 13:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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:That was not that long ago. I remember it. That [[User:Sirius|German guy]] talked about it on the Hyrule Castle page that's on our sidebar. The discussion was since moved to [[Zelda Wiki.org:Pieces of Heart#Do you need anything?|here]].{{:User:Matt/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">01:41, July 20, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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::I'm just about completely back on my feet, actually, thanks. I've been dropping in more and more and patrolling a few edits when the time permits. I've been out of bed for longer than two minutes, so that's good. :P I should be back in full action within the next day or so. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 18:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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There may be a program for it but i donot know if words like "Moblin" translate into different languages . But i do know you can have the main stuff in different languages(like the things below about the license)--[[User:Mais rapido se voce|Rapido]] 14:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
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:::Awesome. As for me, I've found out i'll be leaving on the morning of the 18th for a good 3-4 days in Pennsylvania. I'll be back on the 21st then. That saddens me though. Knowing I come back on the 21st means i'll only have a week and a half 'till school starts. In case anybody doesn't know, i despise school. Why do they have to take away 7 hours (In my case) that could be spent with family? Thankfully it's a Wednesday, meaning that I only have 3 days until the first weekend. {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 18:33, 5 August 2008
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:Yeah, this could never happen for the reasons stated above. Also, as Matt pointed out, our pool of contributors is too small. I speak fluent Italian and Spanish, but I certainly don't have the time or inclination to translate the whole wiki. Plus I would likely be the only one working on those languages, so it would be like a full time (unpaid) job (and I already have one of those, not the unpaid bit thankfully!) Also, if it were ever possible to "finish" the translation, it would then need to be updated ''every day'' with all new edits to the relevant articles, i.e one small change to the Ganon article would require dozens of translators to spring into action. The alternative would be to translate everything and then leave it static and unchanged, which kind of defeats the purpose of a wiki... Basically, without trying to sound like a spoilsport, I have to agree that the premise is unworkable and a little naïve. For these reasons, the only language of the wiki remains American English, and I will continue to delete any translations which appear (for the record there have been previous attempts in French and Portuguese, among others. None were even of acceptable quality.) {{:User:Adamcox82/sig}} 05:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
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== Thanks ==
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I have finally decided to be serious with my Zeldawiki account.
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I am trying my best to help as much as I can. I was just wondering a few things.
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Can I upload pictures I have saved to my computer?
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I tried yesterday with a picture I drew of Majora's Wrath but it didn't work.
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What is jpg? Apparently the picture was lacking jpg. Thanks. [[User:CoreyPotter|CoreyPotter]] 16:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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Some where just to big to translate?--[[User:Mais rapido se voce|Rapido]] 12:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
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:Yes, you can upload pictures from a computer. I'm assuming that you already know the basic process, as it sounds like you've already tried ''(clicking "upload file" then browsing for the image)''. Regarding "jpg", it's a type of file. Other image files are "gif", "png", and "bmp". The Wiki software only accepts certain types of images ''(.png, .gif, .jpg, and .jpeg)''. To see what type of image you have, right-click the image and select "properties". It will have a field saying "Type of file: [something] image". If the [something] isn't one of the above types, then the image can't be uploaded, and you'll need to save it as a different type.
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:To do this, simply open the image in an image editor such as Paint. Select "Save as..." and change the file type to an accepted type using the drop-down menu. You can then upload the file.
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:I hope that I made sense here. ;) {{:User:Ando/sig}} 16:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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The German guy is here again ;) I had problems with my computer, I'm sorry.
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::Some words of Wisdom. First of all, .jpg and .jpeg are the same. They both stand for JPEG (Joint Photographic Experts Group). A JPEG is really only good for complex images that use up to 256 colors. .gif stands for GIF (Graphics Interchange Format). If you have a moving image, you can only use GIF. GIF can move and store up to 256 colors, making them better than JPEG. Lastly, we have PNG (Portable Network Graphics). This can store transparent images. It also holds thousands of colors, making it better than GIF or JPEG. A format i'd like to see this wiki add is MNG. MNG (Multiple-image Network Grahics) is like PNG but supports animation. Too bad IE and Safari are too lame to support MNG. Another reason to use Firefox :D<br />
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Sure I can help to translate, but over 2600 articles are a little bit to much for one translator. Maybe I can find some help. But of course such a project won't be finished in a week or two.
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File formats from worst to best GIF -> JPEG -> PNG. {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 17:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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P.S.: The 'german Iron Knuckle' is on my [[User talk:Sirius|discussion-page]] [[User:Sirius|Sirius]] 01:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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:It was decided that we are not going to do this. Every time we edit a page, the same edit would have to be made to the translated page. Typically we have fifty to one-hundred articles edited every day. That is a lot of translated versions to make the same edits on. This is not something we are capable of doing. If only one person is able to make the changes to a vast amount of pages that change on daily, it becomes a liability and we cannot hope to ever keep up. So thanks for the offer. But we must accept that we have limits of what we are capable of doing.{{:User:Matt/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">06:20, August 10, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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I might add that animated png's are only supported in Firefox 3.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:16, August 11, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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Okay, no problem. Maybe we'll find a way one day. [[User:Sirius|Sirius]] 07:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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:PNG, saved properly, is always smaller than GIF. Save a PNG image in 256 colors and it will be equal quality but a smaller size than a GIF image. The only advantage GIF has is animation. The format [[Wikipedia:APNG|APNG]] is better than MNG. APNG displays a still image (the first frame) on browsers, programs, and image previewers that don't support it, whereas MNG just won't show up at all. APNG uses the *.png suffix on files so we'd be able to upload them without having to change the accepted upload formats. A correction to my old statement: APNG is supported in Firfox 3, but MNG is not supported at all.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">00:28, August 12, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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Actually that's not completely true. If you look at Wikipedia in different languages you'll see that the pages differ quite, moreover not all pages are available in every language. So it would be more of a separate Wiki than a direct translation. Still if bandwith is a problem than sticking with just an English wiki would be for the best. [[User:Nictel|Nictel]] 13:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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I am very proud! With your help I was able to get my picture on the Wiki, and I figured out how to put it on my page! I'm so happy! Mjora's Wrath looks so mean and purple! Unfortunatley I ruined the picture( the real one ) by trying to draw Majora's Incarnation in the back. Now it looks like fecal matter. Oh well... But thanks so much you guys![[User:CoreyPotter|CoreyPotter]] 01:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)CoreyPotter
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:That is how Wikipedia does it. But not all multilingual wikis do. MediaWiki has other languages on subpages. But we've already had enough server problems. So multiple languages is just never going to happen.{{:User:Matt/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">16:12, November 12, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:Awesome, good job! And also extra points for keeping it on your user page and not trying to add it to the article ''(since fan art doesn't go on articles)''. Nice picture, by the way. ;) {{:User:Ando/sig}} 04:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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:Hm ... what would you think about having interwiki links between articles in different languages at ''different wikis''? Would look like Wikipedia's links to other languages with the only difference that the wikis are not located at the same domain. We have a German wiki called [http://www.zeldapendium.de/ Zeldapendium], so it would be possible to link ZeldaWiki.org's articles with Zeldapendium's. I made an example of the interwiki links at the article about the [http://www.zeldapendium.de/wiki/Triforce Triforce] (see "Andere Sprachen" [= other languages] at the end of the sidebar; could be linked using <tt><nowiki>[[de:Triforce]]</nowiki></tt> if a sysop activates this feature). This would not cause any server problems here because the wiki is not located at this server. Btw, I also wrote Jason about this but have not received an answer yet - and sorry for any mistakes in this text, I'm from Germany (near Stuttgart, like Sirius^^) ;-) --[[User:Pascal|Pascal]] 21:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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::Yeah, it's an awesome pic! Just remember to write your text, press enter, type the templates in, press enter, type in the next one, ad so on, so it looks nicer. Good first try though, it was a very small mistake. {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 13:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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::Yeah, we've been talking about that. It seems like that staff thinks it is a good idea.{{:User:Matt/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:36, December 2, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:::Seems good to me as well, though if it's like Pascal said, then we'll need to find other Zelda themed wikis of other languages. Also good to see someone else from Germany (even though I don't live there anymore =P).{{:User:MARKOL/sig}} 22:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
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My brother forced(Yes, FORCED!) me to post a picture that is blasphamous, how do I delete it? I'm still a total n00b about everything here.[[User:CoreyPotter|CoreyPotter]] 00:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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I set up the interwiki link. To prevent confusion, I put the site name as the key. So it works like this: [[Zeldapendium:The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess]].{{:User:Matt/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">03:27, December 3, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:??????? Wh-what is that picture?? That's bizarre. But yeah, only [[Zelda Wiki.org:Administrators|administrators]] ''(also split into the sub-groups of "Bureaucrats" and "Sysops")'' can delete things. If you'd like something deleted, type '''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''' in that page, and it'll show up in the "Articles for deletion" category. That will let me or the other admins know that it should be deleted. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 01:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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:Hey, I'm really pleased to see that you like our suggestion, thanks^^ But before we start linking anything: How would you propose to link the articles? Using "normal" interwiki links (= no interlanguage links) means that we have to put a link into the text. Shall we create a template with a text like "This article is also available in German at <nowiki>[[Zeldapendium:Article]]</nowiki>.", or a section like "==Other Languages==" per article? Or shall we use interlanguage links (but this requires the interwiki prefix to be "de:")? [[User:Pascal|Pascal]] 20:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks I noticed that it was deleted. My brother was pissed! Haha. But I can't upload my poster. It will be 3 by 1.5 FEET and my scanner isn't that big.[[User:CoreyPotter|CoreyPotter]] 17:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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::We have the interwiki links set up. Adam has just started putting a template at the top of articles. But I like this "Other Languages" section better.{{:User:Matt/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">20:44, December 3, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:Dang it. Oh well. At least tell me how awesome it is when you're done. :P {{:User:Ando/sig}} 17:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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== green text ==
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::Why don't you just scan certain sections of it. Like the top, then the bottom, then we put it together. {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 18:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
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im a user so why is there still green text?[[User:Dragonstetraforce|Dragonstetraforce]] 22:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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I was thinking of scanning certain parts, I might do that with my EPIC Wind Wakre poster( I make them for all the games I've played beaten or like. ) But I have been working on a very neat way to right that makes letters 3D and holographic like and it really empahasizes MMs' game effects. Link is hard to draw. I don't know why. I can make a FLAWLESS( almost at least )TP Link but MM and Oot Links I can't get right. Oh well.... Also does any on have any good moon pictures?[[User:CoreyPotter|CoreyPotter]] 23:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
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:Do you mean the green text that shows advertisements when you move your mouse over them? Yes, that appears for everybody. However, if you click on the "?" in the box that shows up and choose "Disable ads", they will not appear for you anymore. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 01:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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I am going to upload my Wind Waker picture to the Wiki. But I just wanted to know if size would be a problem?[[User:CoreyPotter|Corey Lord of Tacos!]] 01:00, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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ive noticed something else. as you scroll down text gets bigger.[[User:Dragonstetraforce|Dragonstetraforce]] 16:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
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== Featured Content ==
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Just a reminder. [[Template:FA/35]] is open for the next featured article. We still have to update the script. Don't forget to update the [[Zelda Wiki.org:Featured Article schedule|Featured Article schedule]]. By the way, are we going to have the even-numbered templates like [[Template:FP/34|this]] or like [[Template:FA/34|this]]? I think that including the odd-numbered ones just like a template is better than redirecting. But that is just me.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:16, August 11, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:I'm on a new PC and I noticed it too. It is an artifact of Internet Explorer. Just get Firefox. There is another issue though. Why are the page diff and page histories all highlighted in white now? Did someone change something?{{:User:Matt/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">16:43, September 20, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:Right. After these past few instances, I've learned to go through the templates to see what's happening first before I decide on one to place the new content. D: Anyway, I believe that the reason I made them redirect was mainly for ease-of-editing - if I see a problem with the current featured content, I go to edit the main page and see which FA / FP template it's calling. Since it redirects, regardless of which of the two templates it is, I always get taken to the one I need to edit. It's just an ease-of-editing thing. It's the quickest way I can think of to getting to the thing I need to edit. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 22:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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::Yeah, the diff / hist issue is just due to a lot of the graphical settings getting reset during the upgrade. Jason fixed most of them, but missed these two things. It's been brought up with him... a while ago ''(please have more time in your schedule to fix things, Jason D:)''. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 21:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
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::I guess that is true. The featured article ones seem to need more editing than the featured images do though. But I think we should changed the featured image templates to be like the last one, [[Template:FP/33|FP/33]]. The option '''''frameless''''' works exactly like '''''thumb''''' does only without a frame. It looks a lot better that way.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:32, August 11, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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== The origin of Zelda ==
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Yeah, sounds good. We couldn't use "frameless" on images with captions, though; the frame is the only thing displaying them. With "frameless", the caption becomes alt text. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 03:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hello, my name is Andrew and I currently live in Tokyo, Japan.
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:But the captions aren't necessary since the whole template is supposed to be describing the image. It is redundant to have captions.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">03:32, August 12, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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I came across something rather interesting and I was wondering what everyone thought about it.
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::Oh! Right, we're talking about featured pictures, not featured articles. Whoops. :P {{:User:Ando/sig}} 05:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
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As we all know, Shigeru Miyamoto is the creator behind Zelda, correct? but where did he get his motivation to build this game?
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Did you remember to set the Main Page to stay to be at the new featured content?{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">01:14, October 7, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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I recently visited a place in Japan called "Onjuku", where a memorial museum exists that celebrates an event that happened many years ago (Something having to do with a spanish ship crashing onto the edge of chiba in the 1600s)
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:Er, I thought that Adam did that since he was on pretty much right after the new template was made. I'll get on that. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 02:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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Anyways, the first thing that occurred to me about this building is that it looks just like Hyrule castle.
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==Seriousness, and Images==
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[[Image:onjuku1.jpg]]
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Hey, I'm right beside CoreyPotter and am taking my ZeldaWiki account seriously now. And one way i have noticed in being helpful with the site is by adding images to pages that need them. So if it is not a bother, is it possible to direct me to some pages that are in desperate need of an Image? OH and 99% of the images i upload are not from any site and are one of a kind Screen Captures taken by me and my computer. Thanks a lot and I'm looking forward to helping with the site :) [[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 01:14, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
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Now, this could simply be coinsidence, however when you cross the bridge over the "moat" or river that seperates the memorial from the beach and look at the statues of the two people in front of the building, one of them looks strikingly similar to zelda. The other one could perhaps be a modified Link.
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:Check [[:Category:Image requested|here]]. It isn't a complete list, but it has a lot.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">01:19, August 12, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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[[Image:onjuku2.jpg]]
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Now, after I saw that, I wondered what else might be around here of interest, and interestingly enough I found a forest opening next to the memorial. Walking through the forest leads nowhere.
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::And if you're feeling a little ambitious, hitting "Random Page" and seeing what shows up could have its success as well. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 03:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
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Last but not least, I walked up above the memorial to a tower labeled the "Mexico Memorial Tower". In Japanese the website (http://www.ebiotope.com/ti40spot03onjyuku05mexco.html) reads that in 1609 the phillipino spanish territory leader Don Rodrigo's ship hit a typhoon going to Mexico and crash landed there.
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==Permission to create a new page?==
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Hey Ando, do you think i can create a new (theory) page pertaining to the man who used to live in the house where the well is. Since i have seen a few straight up theory pages, and considering that this one has lots of evidence. Do you think it is possible to make such a page? I'm just wondering cause this theory is really good. It's on the Bongo Bongo. Thanks! [[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 19:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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Anyways, with all that aside, to me it looks a lot like the master sword was aquired here.
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:Erm, a theory page? Don't we have one of those? If we don't however, maybe it should be put under a new section in the page [[Bongo-Bongo]]. That's where most theories are places (I believe). Either there or your user page... {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 19:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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[[Image:onjuku3.jpg]]
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The pictures belong to their respected Japanese sites (Guides for Onjuku and so forth) {{nosig|Andrew|08:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)}}
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:: I mean like the [[Great Flood]] that's a whole page based on a theory but the [[Bongo-Bongo]] speculation is already on it's page so it doesn't matter either way i guess. K just wondering! [[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 19:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
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:First and foremost, allow me to say +1 awesomeness to you for being named Andrew. +2 awesomeness for being named Andrew ''and'' living in Japan.
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Well, the Great Flood was an event that occurred in Zelda history. Major events have articles ''(like the Imprisoning War, etc.)''. This doesn't strike me as something that would need a whole article. A section on the Bongo-Bongo page, sure, yeah. I'm not even sure what a page about that would be called. :/ "The Man Who Lived in the Kakariko House Who Might be Bongo-Bongo"?? :P<br>
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:That out of the way, those are ''very'' interesting pictures, I must say. While I'm hesitant to say that these are where he got all of his ideas for the game, perhaps design ideas came from here? He's said that inspiration for Zelda ''(and sometimes Mario)'' came from when he explored the forests and caves near his home in Kyoto. But perhaps certain design elements came from Onjuku, assuming he ever visited. Perhaps it's also worth noting that the Triforce symbol is the same as a religious symbol in Japan... I don't really know what to say about this, honestly. On one hand, at the very least that building looks a LOT like it could have inspired Hyrule Castle, but at the same time... it just doesn't add up for me. Not sure why. :/ Very interesting info, though, thanks. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 16:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for asking before making a potentially... controversial? article, though. Much appreciated. ;) {{:User:Ando/sig}} 03:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
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==Image==
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== beta stuff ==
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I finally check my email, so what was the image you needed me to render? {{:User:MARKOL/sig}} 22:54, 21 August 2008 (EST)
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lets make articles on all the beta objects in the games! [[User:Dragonstetraforce|Dragonstetraforce]] 22:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
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=="Castle Town" Request Completed==
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Hey! On the Castle Page it requested that someone put up pictures of the entrances of the Dungeons. I completed the request, and i noticed that you can change that page. So maybe if you could, since the request was completed, remove the request from the page? -[[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 18:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
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:Well, there are already a couple ''(such as [[Goron Golem]])''. I'm not sure what else there could be that would justify its own article, though. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 14:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Hey there, and thanks for your uploads! Unfortunately, as you can see on [[Dungeons in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|this page]], the request actually ISN'T complete; we still require images for Dodongo's Cavern, the Ice Temple, the Spirit Temple, and Ganon's Castle. Perhaps I should start going through Ocarina of Time again and take some screenshots. :P {{:User:Ando/sig}} 05:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
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we could do the beta forest on twilight princess, if you look in the trailer for it or type in beta forest picture it comes up with pictures of a forest that isn't in the game, but is there really anything that we could write about it though? -Calibure
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::oops! sorry Ando. I only saw the partial list :P NO worries, I'll get started on the rest of the dungeons right away! -[[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 20:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC) EDIT: Alright! I completed [[Dungeons in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time|the list]] just as you asked! Check it out! :D I took the screeshots all by myself :D haha -[[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 20:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, there's quite a bit of info, and I agree making a page for it. Most of it is theorizing though, so it should be treated as such.{{:User:MARKOL/sig}} 15:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
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i agree with it being theorized, so is it worth making it? -Calibure
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:::: Check out [[Dungeons in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|this page]]! I know it wasn't requested but i wanted it to be similar, so i added screenshots of the opening dungeon cutscenes of Majora's Mask when you first enter it. Is it ok? -[[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 19:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
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Yeah, that looksgreat,actually.Hm,Iwonderifweshouldstartdoingthisforeverydungeon?Buthowtohandle the 2Dgames'?Maybejustascreenshot of thefirstscreenof that particulardungeon? {{:User:Ando/sig}} 22:04, 24August 2008 (UTC)
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:Well, I could see a page like that being made much along the lines of [[Glitches in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]] or something. And not the entire article would be theorization, either. A lot of it's factual - no one can deny that the beta items are there. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 20:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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:Isn'tthereauniquearrangementofstatueswitheyesthatfollowyou in the first room of every dungeon of the Oraclegames?That'lldoforthosetwogames.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:51, August24, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:: I absolutely agree, but I was referring to beliefs about rumors of the beta forest is still in TP and etc. {{:User:MARKOL/sig}} 22:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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:::Er, right, sorry. I was rushing through reading that. :P But still! Yeah, a "Beta Items in [game]" page could work. None of the stuff really constitutes its own article, so might as well consolidate it all, right? {{:User:Ando/sig}} 23:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
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:: Got it! [[Dungeons in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages|this is the page]]. I'll probably start working on oracle of seasons tomorrow. Is it good? -[[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 18:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
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Yeah so lets make it!! But theres just one problem... I'm rubbish at writing yet alone making a whole page. so could one of you guys do it. heh heh sorry about that.. -Calibure
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Indeed it is, sir! Wow, you're pretty quick with this stuff. :O Much better than the maps we had before, in my opinion. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 18:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
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alright guys i'm gonna try and make a page about the beta forest, i'll tell you when i'm done, then you can see it and improve it. it should be up by tommorow. -Calibure
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okay its done, i couldnt add any pictures because i dont know how. well could you guys look at it and improve it for.... it my first page ive created all by myself {{nosig|Calibure|02:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)}}
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:Phew! Alright, this page is done: [[Dungeons in The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons|OOS Dungeons]]. Sorry it took me a few days. I had school stuff to do haha. I barely got to it an hour ago. :P -[[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 23:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
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::Yousay"Sorryit tookme a few days"asifI'mgonnagetmadatyou;but''youactuallydidit'',sothat'stotallyawesome.:PSay,you wouldn'thappento have a videocapturecard,wouldyou?Seems to metheonlyway to get ''(good)'' imagesof''TheWindWaker''and''TwilightPrincess'';''PhantomHourglass''I'mnot even sure. :/ {{:User:Ando/sig}} 02:24, 29August 2008 (UTC)
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:Awesome, nice job. I added a few paragraphs and touched it up a bit to better follow the general Wiki format. You're free to add some pictures now ''(speaking of, there's a nifty little guide on just how to do that [[Help:Images|right here]]!)'', and maybe mention the cats because I totally forgot to do that. D: {{:User:Ando/sig}} 07:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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thanks. I was able to add the picture but it may be a tad two big. -Calibure
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:::I'll spill my secret haha. Actually Windows Vista has a built in Screen Capturer. and i go to youtube.com and take the images there. Thats how i've gotten 99% of the images i've uploaded. -[[User:Onyx|Onyx]] 02:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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So guys what else is there to make? Because i'm out of ideas (yes one is enough) actually we could do beta creatures (two ideas in one lifetime im on a roll) but do any of them have names and info? -Calibure
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== Main Page/Navigation improvements ==
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What you said made me think... The <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EditCount EditCount extension]</span> can provide that same information. It gives you the edit count per namespace. Best of all, it is not the same edit count extension that Wikia has! :P{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:17, August 25, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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I feel that the Main Page and left side navigation could benefit from a bit of restyling. As it stands the Main Page feels crowded and confusing, the navigation currently isn't very inviting for someone who just wants to read something and isn't looking for something specific. For a comparison, I personally really like the navigation that Wookieepedia has. It is simple and through the drop-down menu still stores lots of links.
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:It also provides a parser function that you can use to update your edit count on your page automatically.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">21:21, August 25, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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Super-Experimental Masterminds' News Dashboard is nice but makes the page feel crowded and doesn't add much as all sites will most likely have the same news. The colour combination works unpleasant to me, perhaps (if possible) we could use the forest background that ZU has and change the colours accordingly. If not, at least have a few more colours than just different shades of blue.
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[[User:Nictel|Nictel]] 21:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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== Reference Desk ==
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I was hoping there would be something like this. Would you be able to post it on your user page? (I know you can with other parser functions). I was hoping there was one for time too, if I'm in a rush sometimes like right now, it would be easier to paste a template than to change the time. {{:User:MARKOL/sig}}
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I've brought this up before but let's see if it's better received this time. I think we should have a Reference Desk like Wikipedia's. Of course, it would be about Zelda. Users could ask questions such as: "Where is the shortcut when I'm racing [[Yeta]]?"
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== What's Up? ==
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Or maybe: "What is the name of those bat like creatures?"
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You haven't been around much lately. You just jump in and make a few quick edits and then leave. Is there something going on? I think that there is quite a backlog of unpatrolled edits. I seem to be dominating the <span class="plainlinks">[http://zeldawiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=patrol Patrol Log]</span> right now. And I'm not even trying to. I'm just curious. But I guess I have to be careful. Someone told me that curiosity can kill the Matt. :P {{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:03, August 29, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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Then, a user who knows the answer would answer it. I would be willing to start this project out, but a person who knows more about Wiki technology could make it neater.--[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 01:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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:Eh, the chemo nausea's gotten a bit worse ''(I... did mention that I've started chemo for these tumors, right?)'', so I've been a bit more bed-ridden. When I can, I come in, check edits real quick ''(mainly those made by newer accounts to verify non-vandalismness)'', see if there are any pressing issues ''(vandalism, some discussion, etc.)'', and move on. I haven't been patrolling many edits made by our "trusted members" unless I've got reason to suspect something. But yeah, thanks for checking in, man. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 23:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
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::Oh crap you started chemo? That sucks. Aren't you going to get side effects like hair loss and stuff. Oh, this has got to suck. I feel so sorry for you. Also: 13:11, July 11, 2008 Adamcox82 (Talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:Mjr162006 from (none) to autopatrol (You make too many edits and too few mistakes ;)). What happened to me? I'd like auto-patrol and i'll do it plz. {{nosig|Seablue254|00:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)}}
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#I obviously support this since I nominated this. Not only could users have their questions answered, we could add the answer to an article if not already there.--[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 01:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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#If it was as easy as looking on Google for an answer, then would there even need to be a Zelda Wiki? The fact is, if someone searched what [[:User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] has said, wouldn't that bring you here? I support this knowing that it will help a lot of users, it wouldn't just help with Zelda content, but with templates as well.{{:User:Steven/sig}} 12:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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:::Well, I think the exact words are "I haven't been patrolling many edits made by our "trusted members" unless I've got reason to suspect something." Trusted member. It's not like either you or Adam check all his edits anyway. Doing that will clear up the unpatrolled edits list a little bit. Perhaps Markol too.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">00:11, August 30, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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#Users could easily go to Google, and try to find the answer. If there were to be one, it might have to be it's own page. ...and be cleaned a lot, to stop annoying people when going down the page. -[[User:Zien|Zien]] 02:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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#Er, well, the more articles and such that you have, the more server space you need which does cost money. Wikipedia's got tons of server space, and needs to be able to pay for it all, hence the $6,000,000 donation drive they're running right now. My personal thought is that most of the questions that could be posed could have answers found easily on Google ''(for instance, the first Google result for "bat creatures in zelda" gives me a web page about Keese)'', and any more specific questions that could be used to enhance an article ''("where exactly is the location of [item], [place], etc.")'' could be posted on the specific article's talk page. Game help questions are what strategy guides on fan sites or GameFAQs are for. Basically, every question has its place already, and I don't see what extra benefit this plan could have. A nice idea on paper, but I can't see it being of any help. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 23:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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#Ando, you've echoed many of the points I made the last time this suggestion was raised. As you'll guess, my opinion has changed very little. The only practical application of such an area here (that I can see) is to offer strategy guide-like assistance, and we're already being quite clear on the fact that ZW.org doesn't cover material of that type. Personally, I don't see how we could offer any advantage over GameFAQs in this area. Also, Ando makes a valid point regarding hosting. While there's clearly a question of scale, all webspace costs money, and we already have inline text ads here to mitigate that fact. We effectively ensure that the wiki remains viable by focusing on the task at hand and making ZW.org the best Zelda '''wiki''' there is, and not by diversifying into other realms such as this.{{:User:Adam/sig}} 07:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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::::I still dont understand why I can't get autopatrol rights. {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 00:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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*Just a note to say that a conversation about this is being placed in the staff area for further discussion by, well, the staff. This voting session WILL be taken into considerable account, however, so please do continue to vote! {{:User:Ando/sig}} 06:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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#while i belive we should do this, do we have enough people, time, and space on the webpage to do this? if so, is it a waste of space as already said people can just go to google where things like that are already up and running? -Calibure
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*There's plenty of people and time. Wiki's can hold as much space as anyone wants. Look at Wikipedia with 2,663,141 articles! MARKOL was right when he said that if people could just go to Google why have a Zelda wiki. There's lot's of thing's Google doesn't have. Also, if the person can't find something, and someone knows the answer, the answer could be added to the article. --[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 23:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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Well, that is what I said. You might as well have them.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">00:23, August 30, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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**"There's plenty of people and time. Wiki's can hold as much space as anyone wants. Look at Wikipedia with 2,663,141 articles! MARKOL was right when he said that if people could just go to Google why have a Zelda wiki. There's lot's of thing's Google doesn't have. Also, if the person can't find something, and someone knows the answer, the answer could be added to the article. --[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 23:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)"
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:Oh. Misread that! Sorry! {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 00:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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**I do not know if this is true, but don't you have to pay more if your site has more k's? If so, it would just take up room, which would be "a waste of space, and money." -[[User:Zien|Zien]] 23:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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*** The help desk would be just a page, it would be no different than adding a full article{{:User:Steven/sig}} 23:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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::Yeh, chemo. No hair loss, though; it's a "low-grade" chemo, whatever that's supposed to mean. :P
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::Autopatrol... The point of it ''(as we use it, anyway)'' is to catch large amount of similar edits that a user is more or less ALWAYS doing ''(such as, in your case, Matt, redirect-fixes and template edits, which are basically impossible to screw up and leave that way)''. However, regardless of autopatrol, I still check all non-purely link-fix mainspace edits, since they sometimes need to be reverted for whatever reason ''(yes, even the autopatrolled Matt)''. So really, I see no reason to autopatrol Sea and MARKOL since they rarely make these types of edits. Every now and then, sure, but not as often. Hence, I don't see a reason to autopatrol them. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 02:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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:::ImaketonsofImageEditseverynowand then. Wouldn't that be a reason? {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 13:22, 30August 2008 (UTC)
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**Lhol IS supporting this. He started the whole thing. :P {{:User:Ando/sig}} 23:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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==Decorating==
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This is just an idea, but I would be neat if the main page was decorated for Christmas. Sure, not everbody celebrates Christmas, but it would be original and it would only be up for a day. It would just be fun to have something new like that. Is this a lousy idea or a good idea? --[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 23:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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::::Why do you want this so badly? :/ {{:User:Ando/sig}} 16:33, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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:I think this is quite a good Idea, but it should be up for more than a day, it could be up for 20th to 31st, for example. --[[user:Calibure]]
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:::::It makes me seem important :( {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 16:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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::That would be great, I was planning on making a holiday theme for my icon on my navbar anyway. I'm not sure what could be done though, decorating wise, since this isn't like ZU where the website is made of multiple images.{{:User:MARKOL/sig}} 14:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
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==Tech Issues==
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I had a little chat with Jason and we figured out why the search bar would not move. But we found out that we need to update a lot of the php and css files. Jason is going to do that soon. That is why there is that weird bar above. Could you put a notice on the main page? Have it say something like: The site is experiencing some technical issues and that they will be resolved shortly.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:39, August 30, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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==blue hyperlinks==
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:Awesome. I'll do that. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 05:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hi guys, while i've been on zeldawiki.org I've noticed that with names such as Legend of Zelda or Nintendo DS are hylighted blue and have stars underneath and when i put the mouse near them a bubble pops up, what is that? [[User:Calibure|Calibure]] 12:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Calibure
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:Those are ads placed within the pages, to hopefully lower the amount of money needed to spend on the servers. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 14:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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Just wanted you to know, I can't really find the time to edit this place anymore. Ever since school started, I've had no more time and can't do it. It also sort of bored me that all I really do is edit pictures and articles. I guess you can take this as a goodbye. In either case, I had fun, but I don't think I'll be coming back. Please don't go crazy over this ;). Bye! {{:User:Seablue254/sig}} 14:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
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:: They're actually special types of ads, Related Links. They're the kind of ads that are actually useful, because they link to interwiki content instead of external sources. So they help you get around the wiki, and every time you use 'em we get a little cash to spend on the server bill, which is always expensive. --[[User:Jason|GoldenChaos]] 14:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::[[Image:Vibrant interwiki links.jpg|thumb|right]]Just thought I'd point out that Jason is, in fact, absolutely right (and let's face it, he should know, it's his server after all!) I just saw one of these links for the first time, and they are noticeably different from the standard green ad-links that Matt and Ando are referring to below. As shown in the image, they're blue and have a dotted underline (not stars); in this case, "final destination" offered links to the articles [[Ganon]] and [[Gerudo Desert]], which both contain that same phrase. They seem to be quite infrequent though (also, if you're wondering why I don't have the ads disabled, my cookie manager/blocker can't properly manage exceptions for the cookie required to switch them off!) {{:User:Adam/sig}} 20:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
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:Oh, wow. I figured you wouldn't be showing up as much, but leaving I didn't expect. :/ Well, I guess, uh... maybe see you around, then. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 17:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
::You do like to dream Jason. The ads you just described do not exist. All there is is ads to sell people stuff. And they do not go to wikis.{{:User:Matt/sig}} 16:47, January 5, 2009 (UTC)
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:::Gonna have to agree here, Jason. I've seen ads for products, but nothing linking to anywhere in the Wiki. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 17:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::Haha, I know, right? School's back! Matt @ Sea: "aw man can't come anymore guys :(" | Douken: "i guess i run on an inverted school year and therefore have more free time during school???"
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:::It's confusing but oh well. Can't do anything about it, I guess. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 17:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
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Alright thanks for that guys, didn't think anyone would reply so fast (now thats great service). anyway just thought maybe somone was vadilising or something.,and if that happens (cracks knuckles) we send in the Vandalism.Against.Any.Text.INcorporated (yes i made it up) vaati for short (why Vati you find a zelda-related word wth a V). Anyway thanks for the help bbut another question shouldi touch them? [[User:Calibure|Calibure]] 17:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Calibure
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--[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 20:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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:Haha, well, if you want to. It's not like your computer's going to melt or anything if you do. Shouldn't harm you at all if you do. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 17:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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okay, that made me feel like i was five, and you never know its around 40degrees outsite so my computer might just melt. [[User:Calibure|Calibure]] 12:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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Great! Anyhow about e-mail, its a long story but, we have two computers, one had e-mail the other didn't, the one that had e-mail...... got struck by lightning, so I'm typing on the one that does not. Um, about the article on Sages, I would like to find more info, how to explain......Like in a Link to the Past, we have the seven wise men, well in Oot we have the human sages, and if not to make someones head spin more, in TP we have the etheral sages. Okey how did nintendo end up there? Ya know what I'm sayin, so I am looking for something like; did the Sage of Water really die, 'Are there decendents of the sages, Are the sages immortal, did the original wise men die. I think if I look on some small Zelda sites, I might find something worthwhile. But I figured between the two of us, we might be able to make the article more informatory.
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P.S. I found a good site on the sages, it's called "ZeldaLegends", go to: storyline-storyline articles-articles11 decendents of the sages revisited. or you could type up "zeldalegends decendents of the sages". Either one should work, just ttell me what you think of it.[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 23:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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:That picture proves nothing. This is a brand new PC. And I searched on many pages. Including the ones in the image. These links do not exist. Even after clearing cookies. I've checked a few PCs. Ones with Vista and ones with XP, even a few Macs. No such links are to be found anywhere. Meaning that the system is not perfect and has a lot of errors. So they are not worth using at all. The chances of it not showing up on all of those computers being only a coincidence is basically zero. So I don't want this to be written off a some oddity like the other problems I have reported were. If you remember, I was right in those cases. {{:User:Matt/sig}} 21:39, January 15, 2009 (UTC)
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Sorry that site wasn't as useful as I thought it would be. I checked out the sage article and it really doesn't need much work, someone added all sorts of photos, and articles to it. But, we can still add a few things. do you mind working with theory?[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 14:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
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::Matt, I know we don't always see eye to eye, but that's no reason to call me a liar! I mean seriously, saying "That picture proves nothing" makes no sense; it ''proves'' that either the links exist, or that it's some elaborate hoax concocted by me and Jason... Sorry for the outburst, I just sometimes have trouble comprehending how your mind works :P
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:I guess we could mess around with the theory. But we should talk it through first before we add anything to the articles.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">14:54, September 20, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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::Anywho, having not seen them myself before today, I was pretty skeptical. That's what prompted me to post the image in the first place; stunned amazement! I wasn't trying to make some big issue, or prove anyone wrong... {{:User:Adam/sig}} 22:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::Strange, I never noticed them. I'm going to have to agree with Matt, I am even looking for them....Still nothing.{{:User:Mandi/sig}}
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::Yeah, I'm working on a little research and such right now and will post what I think on the Sage talk article. Sorry about the long response time. :P {{:User:Ando/sig}} 15:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
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:The first sentence makes no sense, because it is an accidental leftover of a previous version of that post. But still, this rarity proves that it cannot possibly be making enough money for it to be worth keeping.{{:User:Matt/sig}} 23:13, January 15, 2009 (UTC)
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Thats all right. Same for me.[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 19:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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::Yeah, I actually just saw them for the first time recently. The frequency with which they appear seems to be fluctuating ''(sometimes I'll see one in a day, sometimes ten)'', but they're definitely there. Also, Matt, you say that they can't be worth keeping, but... what harm could possibly come from it? I mean, removing them would remove another source of money; no matter how small that source may be, every little bit helps. I see no reason to remove them, personally. Not sure why you're so set on getting them removed. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 17:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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:::Thanks Ando, you made the point that I forgot to mention due to being irked. I don't see any benefit in actively seeking to reduce the revenue of the wiki. These links cause no know problems and can be easily disabled by any user who chooses to. {{:User:Adam/sig}} 19:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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== Possible new rules ==
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Ando, I posted my research on the Sage talk article, It's not much, the sages are hard to find anything on, what you do find is usually something written by some dumb a## (pardon me) who thinks they know something. Well I will probally get picked apart for posting a bunch of crap, but whatever. Thanks for helping me out:-)[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 22:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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Does anyone think that there should be rules on how much information users under 18 should be allowed to show? Maybe don't say your last name, what city\county you live in and your e-mail address (unless your an administrator)?--[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 02:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hey Ando, I just wanted to let you know that I'm gonna be outta town for about 3 days, that and my bratty nieces are visiting for the weekend, I'm thrilled to say the least :/ So hopefully I'll be back in a 3 days, if not, then my nieces drove me to insanity and I'm in a psych ward........somewhere.[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 20:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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And somehow I think I got the sages topic on this page deleted, sorry, I find a way to fix that.[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 21:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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:In an ideal world. But there is no way to know someones age and if they are as old as they say they are. So we could never really enforce it. That would cut off most of our members. And they'd get upset about it. There are some things that cannot, and should not be policed. Basically, supply such info at your own risk. We won't stop you if you want to give it. But we recommend you don't.{{:User:Matt/sig}} 04:41, January 11, 2009 (UTC)
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:No probolo. ;) Anyway, I'll try to have some kind of response on the Sages talk page by the time you get back. Yup yup. :D {{:User:Ando/sig}} 21:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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Then maybe we should have a warning. Something like you said: Supply personal Information at your own risk.--[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 05:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm back from the nut house! Just kidding, I really went on a school trip. But being on a bus, with a bunch of A-holes really made me wish I was graduated :0 Anyway, I just seen what you put on the the sage talk page. I agree 100%. I'm glad we seen eye to eye. You're right about the adult/child timeline. I know alot of people think that ALttP precedes OoT. I tend to believe that, but something just doesn't quite right with it, maybe I'm just crazy.[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 22:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Hmm, good point. There's no age requirement for joining the wiki ''(and even if there were, there are thousands of kids who would lie about their age anyway)'', and while some are more careful with their information, there are people out there who would be fine with putting their credit card number on here. However, there's still the fact that we can't know for sure what a given person's age is -- for instance, I say I'm 17, but what real proof do you have that such is the case? None -- I could very easily be 14 and just saying I'm 17 to be, I dunno, cool or something? So while we couldn't enforce it, we can definitely include an "at your own risk" thing. I'll at least add it to the [[Zelda Wiki.org:Privacy policy|privacy policy]]. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 18:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm finally on the internet, I don't have school today, so I guess I can sit down. I just wanted to ask you a question. It's really just curiosity, but I was wondering what time zone you live in. I just always wonder what time it is to the other person who's typing back to me. If answering that question makes you uncomfortable, then by all means, don't answer it ;)-[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 19:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
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::Same thing with another site I'm a member of, ''"Must be 13 years or older to register, click here if over 13"''. As you can see, '''anyone''' under 13 can easily register. A warning would be a very good idea, it would perhaps give some younger users a ''"Any personal information submitted will be viewable to the public!"'' Reality check. This sounds like something that would be helpful.{{:User:Mandi/sig}}
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:Hey, no problem. I'm in Central Standard Time, so the time displayed on the screen minus 5 hours. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 02:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks, I'm in Eastern Time, no I don't live on the coast.....but I wish I did. Guess we're quite a distance. I always find that interesting, to know what time it is for the other person ;)[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 04:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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Sorry about pulling the disappearing act on ya. Yeah, computer issues and lack of time are to blame. Eventually I hope to post the sage article, thanks for your help with that. Well, I see there was a rather epic battle at the bottom of the page, a battle of wits and verbal disagreements, glad I missed it :/ Anyhow, I hope you and Matt are finished with your little .......tirade.
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lol!
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Anyway (God do I overuse that word) Do you wanna be friends? I know that came outta left field, but just wondering ;)[[User:The Sage of Cosmos|The Sage of Cosmos]] 16:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Ha, I understand completely. I've done my fair share of disappearing myself. Yeah, Matt and I seem to have... finished, I guess? ''(Although, if you'd like to vote on [[Zelda Wiki.org talk:Featured Article Nomination#Possible New Voting Policy Two -- VOTE HERE|this little gem]], that would be much appreciated. Voting's still open for it.)''
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:Friends? Absolutely. You can never have enough of them, and I believe you'd make a great one. :D {{:User:Ando/sig}} 16:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks Ando, I think you'd make a great friend too :)I seen the vote, and I seen what you and Matt were fighting about. Yup! I voted against it. This new "rule"....we don't need it ;)
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i never meant to be offenceive and im sorry for some of the more um... "explosive" comments on vairious pages. im just pretty used to admins on bulba treating me like dirt all the time. i know. harsh world.[[User:Dragonstetraforce|Dragonstetraforce]] 00:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
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:Thanks. I understand; jerks can very easily ruin one's perception of other people. It happens all the time. But yeah, I'll definitely try not to be one of those crazy admins -- and it's cool, man. I forgive you. :) {{:User:Ando/sig}} 01:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
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I'm tired of making unused images already. I'll mark them when the become unused. For now though, Why don't you just go over to [[Special:UnusedImages]] and take a few chunks out it here and there over the next couple weeks. By the way, we need to change the title of that page to "Used Images". Right now it is "Usused files". It is from the upgrade I guess. We can change the name through the system messages page [[MediaWiki:Unusedimages]]. That whit background is getting annoying. It doesn't not take that long to fix. Jason's schedule cannot be that much more busy than mine. We're both in college. It is just changing the default colors to match the rest of the site. It is like this because Jason had to replace all the those php and css files to the new versions. He had to recreate all the changes that he made to the old ones and just missed a few color settings. It's understandable. But this issue makes patrolling (yeah I can't mark them as patrolled, but I still patrol) edits really hard. It is more than an annoyance. He'll be back to update the counter on the main page soon anyway so let's make sure to catch him.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">23:17, October 2, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:Well, I can't see a need to change the name of that particular section. If in the future we begin uploading, say, sound files or something and some become unused, they'd go to the "unused files" page as well. It's not like the name is incorrect as it is, either: pictures are still files. I'll definitely start going through those and deleting some. I used to go through them before just catching, erm, inappropriate content. But I guess I should start just mass-deleting, too. No point in having them there.
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So you show up now. It has been a few days. I swear you have some sort of radar in your brain. It says "Go back now!".<br> I know I was well within the rules now. I did not make up my own rule. It was basic common sense. Those votes are invalid. For the last time it is a <u><big><b>fact</b></big></u>, not an opinion. I have proven it. So try thinking first. Is everyone against me? Has the world gone mad? All the voters have lost their sense. Adam's been too busy. You're constantly repelling everything I do. I know you don't like change. Well the truth is that things do change. No matter how hard you try it'll still change. So please stop this nonsense and help me.{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">22:26, October 12, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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How were those votes invalid. Where is that rule that allows those votes to be invalid? I'm sorry but when an image has lost, you must let it go.--[[User:Link hero of light|Link hero of light]] 23:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Yep, any time there's a crazy edit, my arms tingle and I'm like "CRAP CRAP CRAP NOOOOOOOO" and I run to a computer. ''(jk i was actually unexpectedly at a friend's house for the weekend; our timing was just rather impeccable)''
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:I like how you claim you've brought facts and proof and stuff and yet I've seen none. All we've got is you saying "well, science says THIS", but how do you explain the three unrelated people who all have the SAME PROBLEM? Remember that whole logo issue, where I can see the logo just fine but you and apparently everyone else you know can't? Yeah, well, science would dictate that a simple image should be able to be see across all browsers and computers, right? And yet '''we don't see the same thing.''' Clearly, not everyone is you, and therefore are not having the same problems.
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:Also, I'm not just stubbornly against you or change in and of itself. If I were against change, I would have been against the addition of opposition votes, wouldn't I? If I were against you, I'd have been against your new Featured Content rotation template, wouldn't I? And yet I accepted and embraced these changes because I feel that they're good changes for the Wiki. However, these new suggested policies... I can't say I feel the same about those. Hence, I oppose them heavily as, regardless of whether they're truly "good changes" or whatever, in my mind they're not good, and I'd rather not see the Wiki take the path that they show.
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:Again, you decided that it was within YOUR power to deem the votes invalid and make them null and void, and yet at NO point was that power ever given to you. If there was a particular dictated rule on the page that said "any votes that do such and such will be made invalid", then yes, I'd be totally cool with it, but there's NOT. A method of doing this was NOT discussed with any staff, and you told me yourself that there'd have to be a consensus between several members to discount a vote, and yet all I see is that you seem to have reached a consensus within your own head. The congress in your head =/= Zelda Wiki.org community
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:So to address your final statement: No can do, sir. :) {{:User:Ando/sig}} 01:48, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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:<small>"So try thinking first." STOP THIS OR I ''SWEAR'' I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE WITH EVERY FIST ON MY BODY ''(sysop speak: Personal attacks are unacceptable, and if you'd been attacking anyone else, I'd likely have temp-blocked you by this point. I hate to be telling YOU this, Matt, but watch what you say -- it's getting completely out of hand now.)''</small>
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::Well fine then. I give up. I know when I'm defeated. But you have to know that I know full well everything that you have told me. It is just that when I see something I perceive as wrong and unjust I go at it. Here is a little story: Remember my complaining about how crappy my old PC monitor was? It was literally as piece of ****. (Just use your imagination as to what that word was. As far as seeing those image my monitor was as worse as it could possibly get. I was not just hard to see, it was solid black. Could not see a thing. But the new one was crystal clear. It was perfect. My was the worse possible scenario. And it turned out that way. Now on this laptop, I adjusted its brightness settings with the monitor controls, changing the brightness, gamma, and contrast with GammaPanel, by changing the lighting I'm viewing it in, and by adjusting the angle on the laptop monitor (oh crap! Comma nightmare!!). There was only one case where the old one looked better. That one was with average lighting and with the screen flat. It inverted the colors of the images. So I did not just declare that I'm right. I won the science fair two years in a row (only our middle school did it). I know the process. I tested over and over. It was conclusive. If this was my own image I'd be really mad. But I'm not mad. All I saw was people making a simple mistake and I tried to fix it. That's all. I never tried to personally attack anyone. That was not my aim or intention. Remember that I got the image of you waving you're... umm... well you know. So I guess were even. You thought I was attacking you. I wasn't. I thought you were being a dumb tyrant (yeah... dumb right). And that could not have been farther from the truth. You can tell I'm not a person that just sits back and let thing just happen. I have to get in there and set things right. My intentions were always for the better of the wiki.<br>So I think we can declare that first policy a failure. I think we can withdraw it now. There is no way that'll ever go through. Can't you see though the good behind it. My concern was for those many users that won't get their chance to vote on something because other, more regular members have boot it out. I know that our regulars know more about how the site goes. But that doesn't mean that our other members are incompetent. Yes I know no one ever said that. But it is definitely what one of them might think when they read what you said.<!-- AHHH My fingers!!! They hurt. I wonder if you'll see this. Do your fingers hurt too? -->I never think of you as an enemy. More like a debate opponent. I have to bring back the point I brought up before. Theme of Zelda? Combat! Combat against evil. Yeah we don't fight evil here... Oh wait... damn vandals. Well besides those bizarre people, everyone else here is okay. (Seriously, what the heck do vandals get out out it!?!? Some high or something. What the crap goes on in their minds?! Do they have minds? :D:P). Nothing sharpens our skills and our minds like a good debate.<!--Fingers. Ouch! Must go on!--> So let us continue with the improving the site. Bye the way. There are files to be deleted. Most are not marked. Onward!{{:User:Mjr162006/sig}} <span style="color:#C0C0C0;">03:58, October 13, 2008 (UTC)</span>
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:::Hey man, I know what you mean. You see something you see as wrong and you do what you can to try to fix it. I know that everything you've recommended is with nothing but good intentions for the Wiki, and I can see what the noble goal is. The problem is just that I think that the negative effects of some of the suggestions outweigh the good. At no point did I ever think, though, that you were just trying to ruin anything or whatever. We both have the same ideal of the perfect Wiki -- it would just appear that we differ on how exactly to achieve that goal. But hey, one of your two suggestions is passing whereas the first failed, so I guess it's kind of a win in your favor, win in mine sort of deal? :P
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:::It's two in the morning and I'm tired, so I'm not gonna try to get too amazingly philosophical here ''(although I can be pretty incredible)'', but yeah, let's work together. Like ''friends.'' ;D
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:::Oh, yeah, deleting stuff. With the site running at the speed it is, it makes deleting stuff ''(or even just patrolling)'' a pain in the rear. <!-- Yes, I can see it. I HAVE THE BEST EYES --> It can take anywhere from 1 to 5 minutes to delete a single image, and that's assuming the pages don't give me that "we tried loading for the past one minute two seconds, we give up" garbage. I mean COME ON. <!-- Also, no, I have fingers of steel and iron. Then again, metals rust. --> I'll try deleting a bit here and there, but once that new server rolls in, I'll be able to work fantastically. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 22:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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Yeah I've been busy. I don't know last year was just a real pain for me. I'm getting my priorities straight this year. You know what's really awesome? I'm an editor-in-chief for an online magazine for indie games. Yeah it just happened. It doesn't pay but I've spoken with some people in the industry. Tomorrow I'm going to be talking with one of the team members of the original de Blob game and I'm going to talk with him about his company's new Wiiware game Swords and Soldiers. It's awesome! It's not out yet though because of some employment and design issues but it's okay.--[[User:Green Tunic|Green]] 03:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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:That's beyond cool, dude. Let me tell you that I GREATLY envy you. Indie games are the BEST. When that magazine shows up, you let me know, man. I'll be on the lookout for your articles. :D {{:User:Ando/sig}} 22:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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Lol yeah I promise. If you want um to be any part of it just tell me. We are in need of some journalists and junk. Right now it's mainly me, my other staff members aren't really active.--[[User:Green Tunic|Green]] 00:15, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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can you tell me?[[User:Dragonstetraforce|Dragonstetraforce]] 17:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Well, there really is no process, to be honest. It's basically when the staff deems that we need new admins now, they'll look over some of the frequent members and decide who would be good to add. That's how I became a sysop, anyway. If you want to increase the chances of it happening, basically just hang out here a lot, make a lot of good edits, familiarize yourself with what we've got going here, and just generally be an upstanding citizen of Zelda Wiki Land. Even then, there's no guarantee that it's gonna happen or anything, but the chances will be much, much higher than for the people who just show up every now and then to vote or something. {{:User:Ando/sig}} 22:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking we could extend this wiki by having diffrent languages. This of course, would be a huge project and would take a very long time. People who are fluent in other languages would have to take all 2000 someting articles and translate them into the other language. I know this would be a mega project, but would it be possible?--Link hero of light 00:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that is an option. Too many people are not fluent in any language but their own. Doing this would too many other languages showing up where they are not supposed to. This wiki is about a game series. When the games were translated from Japanese to English a whole bunch of the meaning was lost and it takes expert translators quite some time to get it to be acceptable. We just can't do that here. we're too small. Wikipedia is huge so it is not a problem for it. Besides, from my understanding, we do not have the server space or the bandwidth for such a project. The wikis out there that have multiple languages are all backed by huge corporations that can afford really big servers. We don't have that option and we don't want it. So no more extra languages.User:Matt/sig01:17, July 20, 2008 (UTC)
This was also attempted once. Some German guy made a copy of the Iron Knuckle page. Don't know what happened to it, think it got deleted. --Felicia's Champion 01:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Pretty much what's been said here. Anyone who COULD write a different-language Wiki article is probably the only one on the site who could read it anyway. Most languages have at least a small Zelda-related Wiki in their language anyway (unless it's a really small language). I mean, if there were a LARGE, LARGE demand for such a thing, perhaps, but there's really not. User:Ando/sig 01:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
That was not that long ago. I remember it. That German guy talked about it on the Hyrule Castle page that's on our sidebar. The discussion was since moved to here.User:Matt/sig01:41, July 20, 2008 (UTC)
There may be a program for it but i donot know if words like "Moblin" translate into different languages . But i do know you can have the main stuff in different languages(like the things below about the license)--Rapido 14:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, this could never happen for the reasons stated above. Also, as Matt pointed out, our pool of contributors is too small. I speak fluent Italian and Spanish, but I certainly don't have the time or inclination to translate the whole wiki. Plus I would likely be the only one working on those languages, so it would be like a full time (unpaid) job (and I already have one of those, not the unpaid bit thankfully!) Also, if it were ever possible to "finish" the translation, it would then need to be updated every day with all new edits to the relevant articles, i.e one small change to the Ganon article would require dozens of translators to spring into action. The alternative would be to translate everything and then leave it static and unchanged, which kind of defeats the purpose of a wiki... Basically, without trying to sound like a spoilsport, I have to agree that the premise is unworkable and a little naïve. For these reasons, the only language of the wiki remains American English, and I will continue to delete any translations which appear (for the record there have been previous attempts in French and Portuguese, among others. None were even of acceptable quality.) User:Adamcox82/sig 05:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Some where just to big to translate?--Rapido 12:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
The German guy is here again ;) I had problems with my computer, I'm sorry.
Sure I can help to translate, but over 2600 articles are a little bit to much for one translator. Maybe I can find some help. But of course such a project won't be finished in a week or two.
P.S.: The 'german Iron Knuckle' is on my discussion-pageSirius 01:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
It was decided that we are not going to do this. Every time we edit a page, the same edit would have to be made to the translated page. Typically we have fifty to one-hundred articles edited every day. That is a lot of translated versions to make the same edits on. This is not something we are capable of doing. If only one person is able to make the changes to a vast amount of pages that change on daily, it becomes a liability and we cannot hope to ever keep up. So thanks for the offer. But we must accept that we have limits of what we are capable of doing.User:Matt/sig06:20, August 10, 2008 (UTC)
Okay, no problem. Maybe we'll find a way one day. Sirius 07:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Actually that's not completely true. If you look at Wikipedia in different languages you'll see that the pages differ quite, moreover not all pages are available in every language. So it would be more of a separate Wiki than a direct translation. Still if bandwith is a problem than sticking with just an English wiki would be for the best. Nictel 13:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
That is how Wikipedia does it. But not all multilingual wikis do. MediaWiki has other languages on subpages. But we've already had enough server problems. So multiple languages is just never going to happen.User:Matt/sig16:12, November 12, 2008 (UTC)
Hm ... what would you think about having interwiki links between articles in different languages at different wikis? Would look like Wikipedia's links to other languages with the only difference that the wikis are not located at the same domain. We have a German wiki called Zeldapendium, so it would be possible to link ZeldaWiki.org's articles with Zeldapendium's. I made an example of the interwiki links at the article about the Triforce (see "Andere Sprachen" [= other languages] at the end of the sidebar; could be linked using [[de:Triforce]] if a sysop activates this feature). This would not cause any server problems here because the wiki is not located at this server. Btw, I also wrote Jason about this but have not received an answer yet - and sorry for any mistakes in this text, I'm from Germany (near Stuttgart, like Sirius^^) ;-) --Pascal 21:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, we've been talking about that. It seems like that staff thinks it is a good idea.User:Matt/sig21:36, December 2, 2008 (UTC)
Seems good to me as well, though if it's like Pascal said, then we'll need to find other Zelda themed wikis of other languages. Also good to see someone else from Germany (even though I don't live there anymore =P).User:MARKOL/sig 22:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I set up the interwiki link. To prevent confusion, I put the site name as the key. So it works like this: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.User:Matt/sig03:27, December 3, 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I'm really pleased to see that you like our suggestion, thanks^^ But before we start linking anything: How would you propose to link the articles? Using "normal" interwiki links (= no interlanguage links) means that we have to put a link into the text. Shall we create a template with a text like "This article is also available in German at [[Zeldapendium:Article]].", or a section like "==Other Languages==" per article? Or shall we use interlanguage links (but this requires the interwiki prefix to be "de:")? Pascal 20:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
We have the interwiki links set up. Adam has just started putting a template at the top of articles. But I like this "Other Languages" section better.User:Matt/sig20:44, December 3, 2008 (UTC)
green text
im a user so why is there still green text?Dragonstetraforce 22:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Do you mean the green text that shows advertisements when you move your mouse over them? Yes, that appears for everybody. However, if you click on the "?" in the box that shows up and choose "Disable ads", they will not appear for you anymore. User:Ando/sig 01:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
ive noticed something else. as you scroll down text gets bigger.Dragonstetraforce 16:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm on a new PC and I noticed it too. It is an artifact of Internet Explorer. Just get Firefox. There is another issue though. Why are the page diff and page histories all highlighted in white now? Did someone change something?User:Matt/sig16:43, September 20, 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the diff / hist issue is just due to a lot of the graphical settings getting reset during the upgrade. Jason fixed most of them, but missed these two things. It's been brought up with him... a while ago (please have more time in your schedule to fix things, Jason D:). User:Ando/sig 21:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
The origin of Zelda
Hello, my name is Andrew and I currently live in Tokyo, Japan.
I came across something rather interesting and I was wondering what everyone thought about it.
As we all know, Shigeru Miyamoto is the creator behind Zelda, correct? but where did he get his motivation to build this game?
I recently visited a place in Japan called "Onjuku", where a memorial museum exists that celebrates an event that happened many years ago (Something having to do with a spanish ship crashing onto the edge of chiba in the 1600s)
Anyways, the first thing that occurred to me about this building is that it looks just like Hyrule castle.
Now, this could simply be coinsidence, however when you cross the bridge over the "moat" or river that seperates the memorial from the beach and look at the statues of the two people in front of the building, one of them looks strikingly similar to zelda. The other one could perhaps be a modified Link.
Now, after I saw that, I wondered what else might be around here of interest, and interestingly enough I found a forest opening next to the memorial. Walking through the forest leads nowhere.
Last but not least, I walked up above the memorial to a tower labeled the "Mexico Memorial Tower". In Japanese the website (http://www.ebiotope.com/ti40spot03onjyuku05mexco.html) reads that in 1609 the phillipino spanish territory leader Don Rodrigo's ship hit a typhoon going to Mexico and crash landed there.
Anyways, with all that aside, to me it looks a lot like the master sword was aquired here.
The pictures belong to their respected Japanese sites (Guides for Onjuku and so forth) Template:Nosig
First and foremost, allow me to say +1 awesomeness to you for being named Andrew. +2 awesomeness for being named Andrew and living in Japan.
That out of the way, those are very interesting pictures, I must say. While I'm hesitant to say that these are where he got all of his ideas for the game, perhaps design ideas came from here? He's said that inspiration for Zelda (and sometimes Mario) came from when he explored the forests and caves near his home in Kyoto. But perhaps certain design elements came from Onjuku, assuming he ever visited. Perhaps it's also worth noting that the Triforce symbol is the same as a religious symbol in Japan... I don't really know what to say about this, honestly. On one hand, at the very least that building looks a LOT like it could have inspired Hyrule Castle, but at the same time... it just doesn't add up for me. Not sure why. :/ Very interesting info, though, thanks. User:Ando/sig 16:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
beta stuff
lets make articles on all the beta objects in the games! Dragonstetraforce 22:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, there are already a couple (such as Goron Golem). I'm not sure what else there could be that would justify its own article, though. User:Ando/sig 14:43, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
we could do the beta forest on twilight princess, if you look in the trailer for it or type in beta forest picture it comes up with pictures of a forest that isn't in the game, but is there really anything that we could write about it though? -Calibure
Actually, there's quite a bit of info, and I agree making a page for it. Most of it is theorizing though, so it should be treated as such.User:MARKOL/sig 15:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
i agree with it being theorized, so is it worth making it? -Calibure
Well, I could see a page like that being made much along the lines of Glitches in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time or something. And not the entire article would be theorization, either. A lot of it's factual - no one can deny that the beta items are there. User:Ando/sig 20:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I absolutely agree, but I was referring to beliefs about rumors of the beta forest is still in TP and etc. User:MARKOL/sig 22:11, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Er, right, sorry. I was rushing through reading that. :P But still! Yeah, a "Beta Items in [game]" page could work. None of the stuff really constitutes its own article, so might as well consolidate it all, right? User:Ando/sig 23:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Yeah so lets make it!! But theres just one problem... I'm rubbish at writing yet alone making a whole page. so could one of you guys do it. heh heh sorry about that.. -Calibure
alright guys i'm gonna try and make a page about the beta forest, i'll tell you when i'm done, then you can see it and improve it. it should be up by tommorow. -Calibure
okay its done, i couldnt add any pictures because i dont know how. well could you guys look at it and improve it for.... it my first page ive created all by myself Template:Nosig
Awesome, nice job. I added a few paragraphs and touched it up a bit to better follow the general Wiki format. You're free to add some pictures now (speaking of, there's a nifty little guide on just how to do that right here!), and maybe mention the cats because I totally forgot to do that. D: User:Ando/sig 07:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thanks. I was able to add the picture but it may be a tad two big. -Calibure
So guys what else is there to make? Because i'm out of ideas (yes one is enough) actually we could do beta creatures (two ideas in one lifetime im on a roll) but do any of them have names and info? -Calibure
Main Page/Navigation improvements
I feel that the Main Page and left side navigation could benefit from a bit of restyling. As it stands the Main Page feels crowded and confusing, the navigation currently isn't very inviting for someone who just wants to read something and isn't looking for something specific. For a comparison, I personally really like the navigation that Wookieepedia has. It is simple and through the drop-down menu still stores lots of links.
Super-Experimental Masterminds' News Dashboard is nice but makes the page feel crowded and doesn't add much as all sites will most likely have the same news. The colour combination works unpleasant to me, perhaps (if possible) we could use the forest background that ZU has and change the colours accordingly. If not, at least have a few more colours than just different shades of blue.
Nictel 21:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Reference Desk
I've brought this up before but let's see if it's better received this time. I think we should have a Reference Desk like Wikipedia's. Of course, it would be about Zelda. Users could ask questions such as: "Where is the shortcut when I'm racing Yeta?"
Or maybe: "What is the name of those bat like creatures?"
Then, a user who knows the answer would answer it. I would be willing to start this project out, but a person who knows more about Wiki technology could make it neater.--Link hero of light 01:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Support
I obviously support this since I nominated this. Not only could users have their questions answered, we could add the answer to an article if not already there.--Link hero of light 01:15, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
If it was as easy as looking on Google for an answer, then would there even need to be a Zelda Wiki? The fact is, if someone searched what Link hero of light has said, wouldn't that bring you here? I support this knowing that it will help a lot of users, it wouldn't just help with Zelda content, but with templates as well.User:Steven/sig 12:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Opposition
Users could easily go to Google, and try to find the answer. If there were to be one, it might have to be it's own page. ...and be cleaned a lot, to stop annoying people when going down the page. -Zien 02:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Er, well, the more articles and such that you have, the more server space you need which does cost money. Wikipedia's got tons of server space, and needs to be able to pay for it all, hence the $6,000,000 donation drive they're running right now. My personal thought is that most of the questions that could be posed could have answers found easily on Google (for instance, the first Google result for "bat creatures in zelda" gives me a web page about Keese), and any more specific questions that could be used to enhance an article ("where exactly is the location of [item], [place], etc.") could be posted on the specific article's talk page. Game help questions are what strategy guides on fan sites or GameFAQs are for. Basically, every question has its place already, and I don't see what extra benefit this plan could have. A nice idea on paper, but I can't see it being of any help. User:Ando/sig 23:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Ando, you've echoed many of the points I made the last time this suggestion was raised. As you'll guess, my opinion has changed very little. The only practical application of such an area here (that I can see) is to offer strategy guide-like assistance, and we're already being quite clear on the fact that ZW.org doesn't cover material of that type. Personally, I don't see how we could offer any advantage over GameFAQs in this area. Also, Ando makes a valid point regarding hosting. While there's clearly a question of scale, all webspace costs money, and we already have inline text ads here to mitigate that fact. We effectively ensure that the wiki remains viable by focusing on the task at hand and making ZW.org the best Zelda wiki there is, and not by diversifying into other realms such as this.User:Adam/sig 07:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
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Just a note to say that a conversation about this is being placed in the staff area for further discussion by, well, the staff. This voting session WILL be taken into considerable account, however, so please do continue to vote! User:Ando/sig 06:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
while i belive we should do this, do we have enough people, time, and space on the webpage to do this? if so, is it a waste of space as already said people can just go to google where things like that are already up and running? -Calibure
There's plenty of people and time. Wiki's can hold as much space as anyone wants. Look at Wikipedia with 2,663,141 articles! MARKOL was right when he said that if people could just go to Google why have a Zelda wiki. There's lot's of thing's Google doesn't have. Also, if the person can't find something, and someone knows the answer, the answer could be added to the article. --Link hero of light 23:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
"There's plenty of people and time. Wiki's can hold as much space as anyone wants. Look at Wikipedia with 2,663,141 articles! MARKOL was right when he said that if people could just go to Google why have a Zelda wiki. There's lot's of thing's Google doesn't have. Also, if the person can't find something, and someone knows the answer, the answer could be added to the article. --Link hero of light 23:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)"
I do not know if this is true, but don't you have to pay more if your site has more k's? If so, it would just take up room, which would be "a waste of space, and money." -Zien 23:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
The help desk would be just a page, it would be no different than adding a full articleUser:Steven/sig 23:52, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Lhol IS supporting this. He started the whole thing. :P User:Ando/sig 23:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Decorating
This is just an idea, but I would be neat if the main page was decorated for Christmas. Sure, not everbody celebrates Christmas, but it would be original and it would only be up for a day. It would just be fun to have something new like that. Is this a lousy idea or a good idea? --Link hero of light 23:46, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I think this is quite a good Idea, but it should be up for more than a day, it could be up for 20th to 31st, for example. --user:Calibure
That would be great, I was planning on making a holiday theme for my icon on my navbar anyway. I'm not sure what could be done though, decorating wise, since this isn't like ZU where the website is made of multiple images.User:MARKOL/sig 14:41, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
blue hyperlinks
Hi guys, while i've been on zeldawiki.org I've noticed that with names such as Legend of Zelda or Nintendo DS are hylighted blue and have stars underneath and when i put the mouse near them a bubble pops up, what is that? Calibure 12:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Calibure
Those are ads placed within the pages, to hopefully lower the amount of money needed to spend on the servers. User:Ando/sig 14:18, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
They're actually special types of ads, Related Links. They're the kind of ads that are actually useful, because they link to interwiki content instead of external sources. So they help you get around the wiki, and every time you use 'em we get a little cash to spend on the server bill, which is always expensive. --GoldenChaos 14:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
File:Vibrant interwiki links.jpgJust thought I'd point out that Jason is, in fact, absolutely right (and let's face it, he should know, it's his server after all!) I just saw one of these links for the first time, and they are noticeably different from the standard green ad-links that Matt and Ando are referring to below. As shown in the image, they're blue and have a dotted underline (not stars); in this case, "final destination" offered links to the articles Ganon and Gerudo Desert, which both contain that same phrase. They seem to be quite infrequent though (also, if you're wondering why I don't have the ads disabled, my cookie manager/blocker can't properly manage exceptions for the cookie required to switch them off!) User:Adam/sig 20:08, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
You do like to dream Jason. The ads you just described do not exist. All there is is ads to sell people stuff. And they do not go to wikis.User:Matt/sig 16:47, January 5, 2009 (UTC)
Gonna have to agree here, Jason. I've seen ads for products, but nothing linking to anywhere in the Wiki. User:Ando/sig 17:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Alright thanks for that guys, didn't think anyone would reply so fast (now thats great service). anyway just thought maybe somone was vadilising or something.,and if that happens (cracks knuckles) we send in the Vandalism.Against.Any.Text.INcorporated (yes i made it up) vaati for short (why Vati you find a zelda-related word wth a V). Anyway thanks for the help bbut another question shouldi touch them? Calibure 17:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Calibure
Haha, well, if you want to. It's not like your computer's going to melt or anything if you do. Shouldn't harm you at all if you do. User:Ando/sig 17:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
okay, that made me feel like i was five, and you never know its around 40degrees outsite so my computer might just melt. Calibure 12:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
That picture proves nothing. This is a brand new PC. And I searched on many pages. Including the ones in the image. These links do not exist. Even after clearing cookies. I've checked a few PCs. Ones with Vista and ones with XP, even a few Macs. No such links are to be found anywhere. Meaning that the system is not perfect and has a lot of errors. So they are not worth using at all. The chances of it not showing up on all of those computers being only a coincidence is basically zero. So I don't want this to be written off a some oddity like the other problems I have reported were. If you remember, I was right in those cases. User:Matt/sig 21:39, January 15, 2009 (UTC)
Matt, I know we don't always see eye to eye, but that's no reason to call me a liar! I mean seriously, saying "That picture proves nothing" makes no sense; it proves that either the links exist, or that it's some elaborate hoax concocted by me and Jason... Sorry for the outburst, I just sometimes have trouble comprehending how your mind works :P
Anywho, having not seen them myself before today, I was pretty skeptical. That's what prompted me to post the image in the first place; stunned amazement! I wasn't trying to make some big issue, or prove anyone wrong... User:Adam/sig 22:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Strange, I never noticed them. I'm going to have to agree with Matt, I am even looking for them....Still nothing.User:Mandi/sig
The first sentence makes no sense, because it is an accidental leftover of a previous version of that post. But still, this rarity proves that it cannot possibly be making enough money for it to be worth keeping.User:Matt/sig 23:13, January 15, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I actually just saw them for the first time recently. The frequency with which they appear seems to be fluctuating (sometimes I'll see one in a day, sometimes ten), but they're definitely there. Also, Matt, you say that they can't be worth keeping, but... what harm could possibly come from it? I mean, removing them would remove another source of money; no matter how small that source may be, every little bit helps. I see no reason to remove them, personally. Not sure why you're so set on getting them removed. User:Ando/sig 17:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Ando, you made the point that I forgot to mention due to being irked. I don't see any benefit in actively seeking to reduce the revenue of the wiki. These links cause no know problems and can be easily disabled by any user who chooses to. User:Adam/sig 19:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Possible new rules
Does anyone think that there should be rules on how much information users under 18 should be allowed to show? Maybe don't say your last name, what city\county you live in and your e-mail address (unless your an administrator)?--Link hero of light 02:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
In an ideal world. But there is no way to know someones age and if they are as old as they say they are. So we could never really enforce it. That would cut off most of our members. And they'd get upset about it. There are some things that cannot, and should not be policed. Basically, supply such info at your own risk. We won't stop you if you want to give it. But we recommend you don't.User:Matt/sig 04:41, January 11, 2009 (UTC)
Then maybe we should have a warning. Something like you said: Supply personal Information at your own risk.--Link hero of light 05:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, good point. There's no age requirement for joining the wiki (and even if there were, there are thousands of kids who would lie about their age anyway), and while some are more careful with their information, there are people out there who would be fine with putting their credit card number on here. However, there's still the fact that we can't know for sure what a given person's age is -- for instance, I say I'm 17, but what real proof do you have that such is the case? None -- I could very easily be 14 and just saying I'm 17 to be, I dunno, cool or something? So while we couldn't enforce it, we can definitely include an "at your own risk" thing. I'll at least add it to the privacy policy. User:Ando/sig 18:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Same thing with another site I'm a member of, "Must be 13 years or older to register, click here if over 13". As you can see, anyone under 13 can easily register. A warning would be a very good idea, it would perhaps give some younger users a "Any personal information submitted will be viewable to the public!" Reality check. This sounds like something that would be helpful.User:Mandi/sig
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