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User:Mjr162006 has informed us that User:XXXXX has harassed, I suppose, ZeldaWiki.org. The instances can be found here, here, and here. What to do?


Princess Zelda (A Link to the Past)
LadyNorbert – I welcome the Hero of Time
TALK Til the Sun Grows Cold and the Stars Grow Old -- my Zelda fic
....oh, dear. That's so strange, though, that X would say stuff like that! I always thought X was a nice person. Are we absolutely certain that it's really our own X, and not someone masquerading? Could someone have possibly hacked his account? I don't like to think that one of our admin would do something like this, but it doesn't look good, I have to admit. ZeldaWiki is a good site, that kind of stuff should never have been posted. The way the poster is "begging" to be blocked makes me think we've got a troublemaker in here.

Does anyone have any way of contacting X, such as through email? We need to sort this out. Of course, if it turns out to really be legitimately X, then something definitely needs to be done; perhaps a suspension of admin privileges is in order. We need to make it clear that this is not going to be tolerated.


Hylian Space
Murchadah – ...And the wind, it whispers, "Wii..."
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If X has his email registered with Wikia, we can go to his userpage and click "email this user" in a widget box. This whole thing could really give us a bad reputation...


Princess Zelda (A Link to the Past)
LadyNorbert – I welcome the Hero of Time
TALK Til the Sun Grows Cold and the Stars Grow Old -- my Zelda fic
Guys, unless X is LYING on his/her page, this is an impostor. X posted the following earlier this month: Note: I'll be gone as of the night of the 11 of June, and I'll be back on the 23rd or so... He/she is on vacation. I think we're looking at a fake.
The incident at ZeldaWiki.org happened on June 2. No edits have been made by X here since the night of June 11. I'm not sure if X's account at ZW.org was made the same day or prior to it. This situation is serious either way, impostor or not. You could try looking at his/her comment's on both wikis and compare them. I believe X made some comments about us on your renaming your site forum. You guys know X. You'll have a better idea of who he/she is. It it turns out it really was X, then the embarrassment alone will be a big punishment. If it was X and he/she comes forward and acknowledges it and apologizes to us, perhaps through my talk page here, I'll accept the apology myself. I'm sure the rest of my co-editors will agree with me.--Mjr162006 01:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


Hylian Space
Marexl – 空のマッチして!
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(Geez this is confusing.)I don't think he did it.Somebody hacked my account on the KH Wikia but they caught him.Why would X want to do this???He is nice after all.

My apologies, Mjr, I didn't note the date when I looked at the harassment. If this really was X doing this, I will be very surprised, as I've never known him/her to be anything less than kindly and polite. But either way, something has to be done. LadyNorbert 02:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Let me see...I have an account on Wiki if it's there.Want me to check??? Marexl 02:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)Marexl

Well what shall we do then??? Marexl 02:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)Marexl

Ganondorf (The Wind Waker)
Griffen78 – I hold the triforce of power dearly,but it only drives me mad
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i looked at it look like...nothing more then a childish attempt to cyberbully some on,but it was well writen,it had a xxxxx air too it,but with a side of.....i don't care.in other words the pages reak of xxxxx.alot agenst him.....may be him.

Like I said, it is you guys that know X and not us. You can compare the contributions of the time at both wikis here and here. None of the times overlap. Note that Ando, an admin over there, moved the comments on the Castle Town talk page to the XXXXX talk page.--Mjr162006 02:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I would have say it's not our problem, it's X's. We had nothing to do with it. None of us (I hope) encouraged him to do this. If he intentionally did vandalize the other wiki, then I guess his user rights could be taken away, but there's nothing else we can do. Things like this are bound to happen when you have two active wikis on the same topics. Just suffer through it.--Richard 03:12, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I really don't know XXXXX that well, so I cannot judge whether or not it is truly *undisclosed gender* who has said these things. However, if it is the truth, I believe some kind of reprimand may be in order. That is of course NOTHING compared to the loss of respect that comes with such a deed. Yeah, I've had my 4 am beer and speak intellectually now. --AuronKaizerKennedy! 03:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Ganondorf (The Wind Waker)
Griffen78 – I hold the triforce of power dearly,but it only drives me mad
TALK – let me show you just what hope you have!
you can't bane him!the crime was not on here or any other wikia...so how can he be baned?bane him there not here.what he does on other sites is the sites and persons problem,not ours
I've just looked at XXXXX's contribs on that wiki, and it's nothing big. He made two comments that mainly just said Zeldapedia is better; we've had a large number of edits like these in the past and never made a big deal about them. Samething with SmashWiki; before it merged with Wikia, there was the Wikia SSB wiki and SmashWiki. We always had users popping in and saying "this wiki sucks use smashwiki!" but you just revert them and keep contributing.--Richard 03:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I'll tell you what I told our users. If it was any other person we would have just have let it go. But this is no ordinary person. XXXXX has admin rights here. He/She is supposed to be an example of model behavior. But this behavior was unacceptable of an admin. That is why we were obligated to inform you.--Mjr162006 04:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Ganondorf (The Wind Waker)
Griffen78 – I hold the triforce of power dearly,but it only drives me mad
TALK – let me show you just what hope you have!
stop makeing this sound like a company!it is not!we will not "fire" x for that,it was not that bad,no language,vilionce,or much at all just opinions.

But you've gotta admit that the opinions seemed a tad harsh (especially some of X's comments I've seen on here). Registering for a site for the sole purpose of telling them how much they suck doesn't seem very professional by ANY standard, especially not as an admin. Had any of our guys done this here or wherever I'd probably have blocked them for harassment, but that's just my way of dealing with the problem; how you guys do it is up to you. I think the main issue was just letting you guys know what had happened. --ZWAndo 04:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I'm going to do: as of right now, nothing. I'll either wait until the community comes to a decision or X comes back and we'll speak to X and go from there. And I agree with Mjr's statement above: this conduct is bad for an admin. A member of staff must represent the wiki. Attacking other wikis reflects badly on his wiki. OtOcon^_- 04:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)


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I think we need to handle first things first... Some sort of ambassador to go over an point out that this X, whether he is or isn't our own, is not representing the views and opinions of the rest of us.


I don't recall my ever saying "to fire X". Even after what he did, It doesn't warrant baning him from this wiki. From what everyone has said it sounds like X has made some great contributions here. Even though I still think he should take responsibility for his actions, X is only human. Everyone messes up sometime. X just messed up in a bad way. But people learn from their mistakes. X might need a little support to get over this. I do forgive him now. (Yes, I have gut feeling that X is a guy.) Us guys tend to do dumb things on our impulses. It is natural. Ahh, I am talking too much again aren't I? Well, good luck you guys. Help him get through this., See you all later.--Mjr162006

I do apologize if any of my statements on this matter sounded a little harsh. None of them were ever intended to sound harsh at all. I just tend to be more honest than is necessary. I should have chosen my words more carefully. But when someone comes to you and tells you about a problem, is not a good to assume that they mean ill for you. Reacting negatively to someone who is just trying to help is not a good way to make friends. Remember that in the future. Sorry if that sounded harsh too, it isn't supposed to. It's only a suggestion.--Mjr162006 05:42, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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In my opinion, our powers only extend to this wiki and this wiki alone. If the crime was not committed on this wiki, then there's really nothing any of us can rightfully do. There is no way to concretely prove that they are the same people, even if we second-guess and might "think" it could be. Apparently he did nothing wrong on this wiki, so like Richard said it's really beyond our control and we can really do nothing. If he is banned on the other wiki, where the crime was committed, then that's the more appropriate thing to do. Just imagine for a moment if we take away rights from X here and it turns out to be a different person, then we look like the bad guys, and for something that didn't even take place on this wiki. No offense to anyone at all, but being realistic, there's nothing we can rightfully do unless the crime is committed on "this" wiki. In my opinion, that is the problem of the other wiki like Richard said because there's no way to know for sure if they are the same person or not. And we can't set a precedent for punishing users we "think" did something wrong on "another" wiki. "If," "could," "might," and "maybe" aren't things we can go off of in a decision like this one. Rule of thumb: If it didn't happen on this wiki where our authority lies, then there's nothing we can do. We can't prove they are the same people, and like LadyNorbert said, his account could have been hacked or there could be a multitude of other possibilities. Any way you slice it, we cannot do anything really unless the problem occurred here in our realm. I'm sorry Mjr162006, but I hope you understand what I'm saying. Unless we are absolutely 100% certain it is the same person, I really don't think there's anything any of us can do. We can't risk damaging our own credibility just because someone "thinks" one of our users did something wrong on a completely different wiki. If it turned out not to be the same person, then we look like the bad guys. My advice for remedy: deal with it over where it happened and block the person if they are bashing you guys like any other wiki would do. Unless it happened on this wiki, we can't really do anything about it though. The most we could do is to issue a statement across the wiki telling users to refrain from causing trouble on other wikis, but that's about it. We can't really single out any one person unless we're absolutely sure they're the same person, because that's "he said/she said" or "we think he did/we think she did," and we can't take action based solely on that.


Princess Zelda (A Link to the Past)
LadyNorbert – I welcome the Hero of Time
TALK Til the Sun Grows Cold and the Stars Grow Old -- my Zelda fic
Hero makes good points. I do feel that, if this really was X behaving this way, then we ought to do something to make sure it doesn't happen again; as Mjr correctly points out, site admins ought to be held to at least a slightly higher standard than regular users. The sentiments expressed at Zelda Wiki are, as OtO points out, not shared by Zeldapedia as a whole, but admins need to remember that when they say something like that, they can appear to be speaking for the entire site. No, we're not being paid to do this, but the fact that admins are volunteers does NOT give us any sort of right to run around acting like jerks.

Having said that, I really don't know that I believe it was X. Certainly I don't want to believe it was really him/her. The way that poster kept telling the ZeldaWiki admin to ban him/her sends up a red flag in my opinion. Would it be possible for the admins of the two sites to spend a few minutes comparing ISP numbers? I have no idea how to look at them for someone who's signed in, but I'm sure someone here does and I'm sure someone there does. I would compare the ISP numbers for the two XXXXX-es, and also for a certain former Zeldapedian with whom X had some arguments. I don't like to accuse her either, but that's the direction my personal suspicions are leaning. I realize Richard's point, that this is technically "not our problem," but I think it would be a gesture of good faith on our part to do this.

As a final suggestion, perhaps it would be wise to draw up a sort of code of conduct to which admin of the Zeldapedia will be held, so that nobody can say in the future they didn't know they weren't allowed to do this or that.

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That's just it though, we don't even know for sure whether it was X or not. For example, if someone else over on ZeldaWiki has the name Oath to Order and makes snive comments about that wiki, are we going to accuse our own Oath to Order of that? No, nor should he be accused unless it's a known fact that they are the same person. In that case, we'd have lost a lot of standing with Oath to Order on that seeing that it was mere coincidence that he shared a similar name with the other guy and was punished merely because of the shared names (sorry for using your name in this example Oath, nothing personal at all, just making a point). It could be mere coincidence that they share the same name. Or his account could have been hacked. Who knows? I agree we admins should be held to a higher standard than the average user, but as I said, as far as punishing a single person for something like this, there's really nothing we can do. And at the end of the day, Richard is right: it's not our problem, it's the other wiki's problem because there's nothing we can really do without concrete proof they are the same person. I think the other wiki needs to deal with it as they see fit on their own wiki. The most we could do as said before is to issue a statement urging our users to refrain from trouble-making on other wikis if they are in fact doing that. But without proof, there's nothing we can do in this case. We can't overstep our own boundaries just because someone "thinks" one of our users did this. But my sentiment leans toward this: if it didn't happen on here, then we cannot do anything to any one person. That is for the other wiki to take care of because that's where it happened. When a crime is committed in Florida and the criminal runs away to Illinois, he's going to be tried in Florida, not Illinois, when he is caught. The same goes for us: we can't try someone for committing a crime on another wiki, especially when we aren't even certain they are the same person. Just like in a courtroom, my opinion is that "he said/she said" does not suffice for evidence. We cannot try someone or punish them for something that occurred elsewhere.

I've yet to explore all of my powers as a sysop. Is there some way for a sysop to do an IP-check, or is that a bureaucrat function only? If I can, I'd be willing to check the IP address of our XXXXX to compare it to the IP here. --ZWAndo 18:21, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I've been wondering that too. But since I'm not a sysop I didn't ask. But now that it has been said, can Ando do this as a sysop?--Mjr162006 18:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Also: I agree that nothing should be done yet. Given that X is on vacation or wherever, this was pretty poor timing on our part. But at least you know and are ready for when X returns. --ZWAndo 18:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think admins or b-crats can check for that kind of thing (All I've ever done is delete pages and block vadals, though, so I wouldn't know). My computer also changes my IP every few days for security, though, so we might not be able to use that method if X uses the same security application. --Murch(dah dah dahdaaaaaah!) 19:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Only Wikia Staff can use CheckUser.--Richard 19:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so if we don't have access to said CheckUser extension... someone with direct access to the database can still check for the IP, yes? --ZWAndo 19:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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What does it matter? As I said, there's really nothing we can do in this case. There's a multitude of possibilities, and we're not even sure it's the same person. I think we're wasting time debating what we should do in this case because we aren't going to ever be fully sure if it was X or not. The most we can do is make it known to our users that we won't tolerate behavior of that nature if they are caught in the act and are proven guilty. ZeldaWiki is going to have to deal with the issue themselves though, because this didn't happen here, it happened on there. Unless someone does something on here, we don't really have the authority to punish them unless it can be proven he or she was the culprit. Until we have sound proof of that, I'm afraid it's just barking up the wrong tree.

Hi. Here to say that he could have thrown you off. For all we know, X could be the person over at our Zelda Wiki, and if it was, he could be lying about the vacation. Lastly, I want to say sorry for the comments I have returned. Thanks. --ZWSeablue254

I don't think he lied about the vacation. It is hard for a person not to edit at their own wiki regularly. It is habit-forming.
Seablue is not accusing. He is simply suggesting the possiblity, however remote it may be.--Mjr162006 22:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
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As I said, there's no way of knowing for sure if they are the same person, and without concrete confirmation, there's nothing any of us can do. We have our own credibility to think of too, and we can't compromise it based on "he said/she said" thoughts. We could sit here saying we "think" it's the same person all day long, but that doesn't prove it by any means. Unless we have concrete proof that they are the same person, there's nothing we can do. The problem needs to be dealt with where it happened, at ZeldaWiki. If it didn't happen here, we don't have the authority to punish anyone without proof of the person's identity. I apologize for that reality, but that's just being honest with ourselves.
Matt, you dont HAVE to edit your wiki. ever heard of a break?
Hero of Time, this is an issue that should be dealt with. We just cant allow people coming over from rival wikis to insualt the other wiki. --Seablue254 14:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Me, not edit my wiki? Take a break? What does this mean? I've never heard of such a thing! I must edit! I'm compelled to do so! :P I know that there are people like this. So I would understand how they felt. When I went camping for a week. I had wiki-withdrawals! It drove me nuts. It can happen to anybody.--Mjr162006 16:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

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Seablue524, unless you have proof though, we can't do anything. It didn't happen here, so we can't do anything here unless we have sound proof in hand of the person's identity. You're barking up a dead tree in any case because there's no way to be sure of that. This is an issue that needs to be dealt with yes, but where it happened, not here. It didn't happen here, therefore we don't have any authority to do anything in regard to that without proof. If someone's insulting your wiki, then do what any other wiki would do, and block them. Beyond that, there's not much else to be said here because we can't prove they are the same person and neither can you. You find proof that they are the same person and then get back to us, then we can do something. Until that time, there's nothing we can do. Without proof of the person's identity, I can only give you two remedies: deal with it, or get over it. Complaining to us isn't going to do anything because we can't do anything without solid proof of the person's identity.

Here's something to know: Zeldapedia and Zeldawiki.org are both wikis. He could Type that in and not given out his name if he wanted to. If he did do that there would be no fingers pointing at him. So why would he sign his name if he didn't have to? Because Whoever Signed it wanted somebody else to take the blame. Solar flute 00:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I’m from Zeldawiki.org and I have to say that you have a pretty good wiki here. Anyway here’s something that might be considered proof. Sorry if it doesn’t make sense, it’s the best way I can put it. On June the second, a person called XXXXX created an account on zeldawiki.org and harassed users telling them Zeldawiki.org pretty much stunk. Seven days later Zeldapedia’s admin XXXXX also made fun of Zeldawiki.org saying “Yeah, Zelda Wiki.org? That site is stupid and unhelpful”. Now this may be a coincidence, a person who disliked XXXXX went to a rival wiki, ZW.org, and went under XXXXXs name making fun of that wiki. Then it just so happened that the real XXXXX made fun of that same wiki later that week. I understand why you don’t want to think your friend XXXXX was being cruel to a fellow wiki but, I truly think that both XXXXX are the same. Oh and solar flute, why did a thief give a store he robbed his address, I don’t know, but it’s probably the same reason XXXXX gave us his identity.--Link hero of light 03:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Or I was just thinking, he may have given his idenity because he didn't think he would be punished.--Link hero of light 03:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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Guys, none of this confirms it though. We have to have incontestable proof of their identity to do anything, not speculation. Without proof, there's not mch we can do. It's a shame, they did it, but there's really not much we can do about it unless we can be absoultely sure.
Ganondorf (The Wind Waker)
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or wait he is comeing back tommarrow
If X admits to it, I'll attempt to reign in our members so that they don't come and complain to him. We won't hold it against him. I don't know for sure, but I'll ask our admins if they'd consider unblocking his account if he admits to it. Then perhaps he more incentive to confess. If it is determined beyond any doubt that X didn't do it then we would just like to say that we acted on the best information available to us at the time. No matter what this will be a shock to X. So being cautious and gentle about will work out better. It would be better not to immediately suggest the possible consequences regardless of there being any. Just a suggestion.--Mjr162006 05:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

@Solar Flute: Zelda Wiki requires registration in order to be able to make any sort of edit; therefore, he couldn't have edited without inserting his name.
Anyway, yeah, I'd say wait and see what X says about it. If he confirms that it's him, there we go, if not, well, we have no further proof and I apologize for the inconvenience this has brought all of us. --ZWAndo 14:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

That's the only thing to do, if X confesses we'll figure out what to do, if not there's nothing else that can be done. I also agree with Mjr, we should be gentle, and I don't think X really deserves a punishment, just as long as he knows what he did should not be done again. After all, it looks like he did alot of good things for this wiki. Oh and I was thinking of a name I could sugest for your wiki, don't know if you'll like it but here it is: Zora's Domain: The Online Zelda Wiki.--Link hero of light 21:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


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Midna, talk slowly. How am I supposed to understand "Kin Wob Eber Beah!"?

You know, I'm REALLY sorry, guys. I said on Griff's talk page that "I just looked at their pages and laughed my head off. I had to tell them they were doing things wrong. I might have done this a little to offensively, and I apologize to them if I did, then they started discussing whether or not I should be blocked, even though I asked them to block me, because I didn't want to have to deal with them any longer. I laughed again, and you see how I couldn't resist a word of brutal advice." Exact quote. I didn't realize how bad this would be. I really can't take the pressure here, and I'm taking at least a week off. I really need a break from this. I couldn't resist it. I need a break. I need a break. I desperately need it. You can't imagine how much I need this. See you. Once again, incredibly sorry.

PS. Most of that wasn't me

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Aw, hell. I did that myself at one time. In fact, I still vandalize on Wikipedia, but those assholes got it coming. I can't really judge here lest me be judged or something, so I'll let it slide. Jeez, one strike and you're out? Don't think so. Just remember to be a bit more fore-something in the future.
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I wouldn't say this warrants a loss of adminship right off the bat, but my verdict is a stern warning that causing trouble on other wikis in this manner will not be tolerated in the future and will indeed lead to a loss of privileges if there is a second offense. We'll consider this the "warning shot," but this goes for everyone, not just X. We are better people than that, and this sort of behavior undermines the wiki's credibility and standing. So all should take heed here and now that this will not be toleratd in the future.


Princess Zelda (A Link to the Past)
LadyNorbert – I welcome the Hero of Time
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I agree that one strike and you're out shouldn't be the rule, especially as there have never been concrete and stated rules for the behavior of admins or members of this wiki. That's something I think we really need to do. There should be a basic set of rules for all members, plus some extra ones for admins.

But I'm at a loss to understand why the vandalism was done in the first place. X, none of us would have appreciated someone from Zelda Wiki coming here and doing what you did (not that I'm saying any of the would), so why would you think it was acceptable to do it there? Last time I checked, the Golden Rule was still applicable in life.


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Don't take it too hard X,besides you had little to do with it.I don't think you need to go for a week.Anyways,don't take it too hard please.



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I'm probably late, we knew it was X, but i knew XXXXX was our very own. I belong to this wiki, and saw his userpage (along with fused shadows) and I knew it was him the whole time. I didn't want to tell you guys to protect him. Sorry guys.


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Zant, you get away from that crack.

Hi! I'm back, and to clear it up for those who didn't see the going away forum, it wasn't as much to get rid of the pressure, as I made up my mind before I saw this forum, but to stop an addiction I had, because I couldn't get this site out of my mind. Also to clear things up, I'd like to ask the ZW users to tell on the Midna page why she's "terrible with a sword and shield." You know, because in the twilight realm, they wear shields on their faces. *Goes off to make sure that (s)he did that same edit on the twili page like (s)he thought (s)he did a month or two ago.*


Will do if I can, uh, get a source for this. :P Sorry, I'm not terribly fluent in Twilight Princess. Last time I played through it was... a long time ago, so I can't say that I remember seeing this. Although I will say that she seemed new to the concept, because I do remember her saying "So these are the weapons of your world?" or something like that. --ZWAndo 02:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The reason she's not so good with a sword is probably 'cause it's twice her height and weight. And she's a mage. I can totally see the imp thing running into battle with that sword. -_- OtOcon^_- 02:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


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When he grows up, Link wants to be a speaker of the house. He's great at speeches.

Well, in the opening scene (When you let it sit until Wolf Link stops howling) you can see Zant with two twilight messengers wearing shields with a striking resemblance to the star of life you see on ambulances, which cover their faces.


X, if i give an apology, can I get one from you? Still a little annoyed over here. --Seablue254 13:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Psst. There WAS an apology. Plz to be reading all of the messages?
Anyway, X, I remember that now. Those were shields? I had always thought that they were just.. decorative head-gear or something, to signify that they're Zant's special guards. And... that for some reason their heads were tilted down to the ground so you could see them.
No, it doesn't make sense but it was what I thought at the time. :P Of course then the question is, how do they see through them? :O --ZWAndo 13:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Whatever.
As for the sword and shield thing, I remember that scene. I always thought they were as Ando said, to signinf they were the better ones Zant used for protection, or they were used to hurt the enemy more, super hard headbutt ftw, or lastly, to be of more protection for Zant (It's harder to hurt an nemy with a hard faceplate than one without.) --Seablue254 13:23, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually they are different. In a later scene it shows one beside the normal Messengers. It's twice their size and has that bell head. OtOcon^_- 14:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


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The triforce divided will not stand. Where have I heard that before?

Well, either way, they were ready to fight. As for seeing through the shields/masks, it's like half of the masks in Majora's Mask. I doubt Midna would take the shield and think it was used like that.

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