User talk:TriforceTony/Archive 1

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Hylian language

Hello Kasuto! Are you the same person as on www.kasuto.net? He designed an Hylian language like me, and i'd like to get in touch with him. Have a nice weekend! --Sahasrallah (talk) 11:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey there, I'm afraid to say that I'm not the same individual who's behind that website. It seems that you can email him here: kasuto_of_kataan@hotmail.com. I hope that helps! - Tony^{T S C} 21:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I feel there's a double standard here...

Characters like Anju's Grandmother, the Wounded Soldier, Banker, Professor, Laughing Men, Lord Chapu-Chapu, etc. should have articles created by splitting from the one they share it with.We have separate articles on Mr. Barten and Talon, King Zora and Toto, and the Carpet Merchant and Swordsman.This REALLY seems like a double standard to me.It makes no sense why certain characters get their own articles, but others do not. Make up your mind, I'm getting confused.

The least you can do is make this consistent. Make up your mind. They are distinct characters. Just because they are counterparts does not necessitate them sharing an article. If some of them share an article, all of them should (with the exception of Cremia and Romani, etc.). --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 19:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Splitting the Bracelet pages?

So I take it we're splitting Goron's Bracelet, Gauntlets, Power Bracelet, and Power Glove into their own pages? -I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it was decided long ago that the page needed to be rewritten and split. Only after receiving some badgering today did I get around to it. - Tony^{T S C} 23:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Coming from Zeldapedia

Hey, I was a pretty large editor on zeldapedia- I had around 2000 edits and invested a lot of time into it. I stopped around 2012ish, and am wanting to get back to collaborating information towards this great series. However, when I come back to it from an unbiased perspective, Zeldapedia can be really irksome to navigate. It's not a fault of zeldapedia though, it's a fault of wikia. The ads are so annoying, and the forced layout just doesn't help at all. Additionally it seems like Zelda wiki is far more linked into the zelda community being hugely representative of zeldauniverse as well as all the other nintendo wikis. I think I want to try helping out this wiki. I'm not sure if you were there during the issues that arose, but I remember there being a lot of tension between zeldawiki and Zeldapedia, but I want to put that off for now and if I like it here I think I'll stay. Here's hoping to a warmer welcome--Nullatrum (talk) 07:19, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah I see. Well you're quite welcome here. :) - Tony^{T S C} 23:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

A Question

Hello Kasuto! I'm Hylian Writer, an Italian User. I work at Wikia Net and especially at Zeldapedia Italia, an Italian Zelda Wiki. My username on Wikia is Lord Ghiraim. Please, forgive my terrible English! Anyway, I'm a bit interested about creating a webstite and applying MediaWiki on it (I hope I wrote correctly)... If you want to help me, I need some informations. Number 1: which hosting did you use for this website (or maybe you used a personal server)? Number 2: How did you install MediaWiki? I have other questions... but you can answer me later. Thanks. --Hylian Writer 19:50, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey there! That sounds great. To answer you:

1. We are hosted on our own private servers. They are managed by Justin.
2. I'm not certain how MediaWiki was installed for Zelda Wiki, as I personally didn't set this wiki up (I only direct it). However, I think you can find this information here on MediaWiki.org (here it is in Italian).

I hope that helps! If you need anything, don't be afraid to ask. :D - Tony^{T S C} 04:25, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help. Bye! --Hylian Writer 17:13, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

In effect, I would like to know how does Template:AH work. I tried to copy it on my wiki, with images too, but over there it doesn't work. I think this is because you used a special class (tooltipe) that appears in Template code but... can you explain me better? Thanks. --Hylian Writer 13:29, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm working on getting your answer, but it might take a while, because I have to ask some other people. I have not forgotten you, I promise! - Tony^{T S C} 14:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem --Hylian Writer 17:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Navigation

Hi Kasuto! may i please copy your navigation thing? i mean, once i add it to my page i'll change it to link to my pages and have my name and just make it semi-unique. 'cos i really want a navigation panel and the ones wikipedia gives me are... well... just not right. for one thing they are too blocky. soo... may i please copy yours? TrueZelda (Talk) 04:42, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

There is nothing preventing other users from taking inspirational elements from another user's page, but I wouldn't recommend using mine, as it's incomplete and still in construction. It might have some broken coding.

Another user, Chuck, copied an earlier version, which you can see on his userpage. - Tony^{T S C} 14:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

The Super Mario Wiki's 'Shroom cordially invites you...

Hello, I am Tucayo from the Super Mario Wiki's monthly publication, The 'Shroom. As you surely know, this February marks the 30th Anniversary of the Zelda series, and we would like to prepare something special, with your help. As a landmark collaboration between our wikis, we want to invite you to write something for us, it can be a review of a Zelda game, a ranking of your favorite games in the franchise, overall thoughts or memories, or maybe even something telling our users about ZeldaWiki! It could be anything to help us make our February issue Zelda-themed. The issue will be released February 20th, so we would really appreciate if we could have your submissions before February 13th. You can email them to mwshroom@gmail.com. Feel free to contact us for any questions you might have.

Thanks!
--Tucayo (talk) 00:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Other wiki screenshot image licensing

Hi, could you tell me how to find out what licensing to put for File:TW Layout.png and Inkipedia's (when it is uploaded)? (Also, the redirect here needs to be deleted) Thanks.

--KokoroSenshi (Talk | contribs) 05:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Well I looked at both sites' general disclaimers (at the bottom of each wiki) and it seems that they both operate under "CC-BY-SA". I went ahead and added that to the Tetris Wiki image. - Tony^{T S C} 11:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I see, thanks. Though Hard Drop Tetris Wiki seems to only have Hard Drop - Tetris Wiki:General disclaimer, which confused me a bit with the first paragraph, then later "All non-image content", though their main page only has the image of the logo (which, by the way, comes under what license if we were to save and upload it or the logo here on Zelda Wiki?). --KokoroSenshi (Talk | contribs) 23:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

My case: Let's talk about the deity page

Intro:

I'm going to vent about an issue from another wiki, don't take this personally: I've had many issues on the Halo wiki with bias high ranking members who abuse their power, where an admin refused to let me talk out solution out with him and banned me for disagreeing, and continued to blatantly ignore me while I sought out a peaceful resolution. I don't think you are like that at all, but to prevent an issue from happening let's talk things out before an edit war happens and/or bans start happening.

• First things first. I assume good faith of you, I assume you are an un-bias and professional high ranking administrator. I'd like to be assumed of good faith too, a core principal of this wiki ( http://zeldawiki.org/Help:Editing_Etiquette#Assuming_Good_Faith ). My intentions are to give the wiki updated information and factually correct, even if I am wrong or seen as wrong, my intentions are not ill and not vandalism.

• I have read the rules about edit wars. And that we should talk to prevent an edit war. This is our chance to talk ( http://zeldawiki.org/Help:Editing_Etiquette#Edit_Warring ).

The Discussion of the Deity page:

-For years, the section for evil deities (called Devils) stayed, until a random red (no user page) user removed it. This was not an administrator like yourself who made the change, or an official user like me. It was a random red (no user paged) user who made this change for some random reason. If I were to make a change that large today, it would be reverted. There was a huge list of deities (not all deities in Zelda are good, the evil ones should be included), you were okay with at the time. You also said "As for Ganon, I wouldn't consider him a god, but it's still relevant since he acted like one." approving of the Devils section. This random user removed it under the radar and no one questioned why.

-Now about Ganondorf and Demise, they apply. The definition of a deity states "A deity is a supernatural being, like a god or goddess, that is worshipped by people who believe it controls or exerts force over some". Ganondorf is powerful enough to be considered a deity, and is worshiped like a deity by many and even called a "god". Demise is known to be the King of Demons, he has a strength equal too if not greater than the Goddess Hylia herself making him godly. Being the king of Demons, Demise is essentially the Satan or Hades of the Zelda universe. He can easily be considered a deity.

-The other Zelda wiki site, Zeldapedia, acknowledges Demise and Ganondorf as notable deities. They meet the definition of a deity. Does this site, Zelda wiki, have its own personal definition of "Deity"? It seems that way. If so, who made that definition? And why would that personal definition by some user(s) on a wiki over-ride the official definition of a "Deity" as shown in many dictionaries and even the Zelda lore itself?

-Zeldapedia considered Demise and Ganondorf as deities, Dictionaries would accept them as examples for fictional dieties, the games themselves even explicitly state how Ganondorf was worshiped. I don't see why Zelda Wiki (this site) can't allow that. Please respond to my four points, thank you.

Conclusion:

If all else, fails, I would like to propose voting in the talk page. Or some sort of voting system (I know wikis feature that). Thank you for your time.

By the way, does Zelda wiki have an instant messaging system? That would be a far more effective way for us to talk and come to an agreement. If there is an instant messaging system or chat room, that you know of that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!Editorguy117 (talk) 08:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for seeking to resolve this through discussion.

"Devils" and "demons" (even "The Devil" in standard Christianity, not counting Christian variations because A: I don't care, and B: there's no point) are merely supernatural entities and are not gods in their own right. However, we need to distance the conversation from a Christian-centric viewpoint, because the Zelda series is not designed from such. Parallels are purely speculative and apart from blatant imagery present in the early games, Christianity has/had a negligible effect on the series at best.

Being a competent archenemy of a god is not an indication of divinity. That's simply incorrect, and here's why:

• Demise roughly contends with Hylia (a lesser goddess, in this case) in power. Ignoring the fact that Demise happens to have a vastly superior army than Hylia (thus outmatching her by proxy), Demise intends to take her power and rule absolutely.
• Operating under the assumption that Demise is a deity by right or outright belief (he is not the latter), this implies that individuals powerful enough to defeat deities are deities themselves. Link is powerful enough to defeat Demise, so is he a deity? (The answer is "no".)

True deities tend to have at least some level of conditional immortality. Barring some circumstance stripping them of their immortality, they can be easily identified by this. Another point is that deities themselves cannot use the Triforce. Both Ganon and Demise sought to use it (successfully in Ganon's case, unsuccessfully in Demise's), indicating that they are not truly deities. Simple measures of power can't be regarded as quantifiable aspects towards divinity as consequence.

There seems to be a need to separate deities by outright godhood. There are individuals who are gods, and individuals who are simply regarded as gods. As far as I am aware, Demise (in canon) has not been regarded as a god despite your unsourced definition. He was simply a powerful individual who commanded an army and sought to take and then use the power of gods. Ganon, however, has indeed been mistaken for a god. Thus, he qualifies as the latter sort of false deity.

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I'd like to detract from the main point to establish some things before I finish:

1. What Zeldapedia does has no bearing on what we do. We are not based on them, and whatever silly practices they might have are theirs alone. Please do not waste anyone's time trying to argue from that, it is useless.
2. Zelda Wiki does not have an instant messaging system, as that has shown to be unproductive and would require too much moderation to keep it so. Instead, we have a forum board on Zelda Universe.

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So my suggestion is: let us find a way to establish on the page the dichotomy between true deities (established in canon) and false figures. (Fan interpretations, such as "He can easily be considered a deity." are most unwelcome in this. Speculation has no place on an encyclopedia such as ours.) The page will cover all who are revered as being divine, but make it clear that only a select few actually are. We can try to make a more concrete definition of this, but at the moment the only verifiably true gods/goddesses are limited to a select few based on certain conditions such as their (in)ability to use the Triforce. All else who are simply worshiped certainly qualify as being a deity "de narratur" rather than de facto. This wouldn't accomplish much other than rewording a sentence or two on the page; it would still keep Demise and other demons/malicious entities out of it. - Tony^{T S C} 07:43, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, was finishing exams. Are you suggesting that we would add a section of false deities onto that page, which would include Ganondorf. Or a whole no page together? Let me know when you get the chance, thanks! Editorguy117 (talk) 21:54, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

A list of false deities would be just Ganon(dorf), as far as I know. More specifically, I mean individuals who are only considered deities, without any proof of it. That would happily include Ganon and others. - Tony^{T S C} 22:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I added the section, feel free to refine it. Also would Fi saying "This eternal being has conquered time itself. It is the source of all monsters." in Skyward Sword justify Demise as some sort of Deity? "Eternal" means immortal, and after he was defeated, his spirit lived on through the incarnation of his hatred. And "It is the source of all monsters" makes Demise a creator, essentially a god to the monsters/demons. Editorguy117 (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

No. "Eternal" doesn't mean immortal per se. Reincarnation doesn't equal immortality.

Demise is not a god. - Tony^{T S C} 23:19, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Aright. Thanks for letting me talk to you about this, appreciated.Editorguy117 (talk) 23:41, 9 May 2016 (UTC)