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TWW Hylian

This might help, functionality-wise, if that template was what I think it was.KrytenKoro (talk) 13:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Wii

I'm doing alot of my stuff on my Wii. Is that good? ToonLink13 23:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean editing with a Wii, any contribution is great. I would recommend using an actual computer instead, but you're welcome to edit with whatever device you have. :) - Tony^{T S C} 22:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

sorry

I wasn't aware of that pop culture page, when I was thinking of the Zelda stuff in SU, i thought only the cameo pages was where it was supposed to go. Sorry for making a big deal out of it.
Ixbran (talk) 07:21, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

It's alright, Ixbran. I should've made it more clear that I intended to move it to another page (I hoped to get it added to the other page swiftly). But since that page should be exclusively for Nintendo-licensed products, perhaps we need to make that more clear, such as renaming the page to "Official Cameos of The Legend of Zelda" or some such? It should be much more clear than it is now, and I'm sorry for the confusion that it's caused. - Tony^{T S C} 22:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Wondering about a new extension

I was wondering if you or someone else could install the Timed Media Handler extension to the wiki, as it would be very useful in being able to play video game music on pages. Right now, .ogg and the like lead to a link which has another link leading to the actual file, making it not very user-friendly. This becomes especially important on the Recurring Music in The Legend of Zelda Series page, where the .ogg files are pointless since the reader has to click through various links to get to the actual music. --The Retro Gamer (talk) 01:01, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

We used to have one, but since hasn't been added again. Hopefully we'll have one again soon. For any technical issue you might find, please refer to our tech Justin instead. - Chuck * ^(Talk) 05:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Hylian language

Hello Kasuto! Are you the same person as on www.kasuto.net? He designed an Hylian language like me, and i'd like to get in touch with him. Have a nice weekend! --Sahasrallah (talk) 11:17, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey there, I'm afraid to say that I'm not the same individual who's behind that website. It seems that you can email him here: kasuto_of_kataan@hotmail.com. I hope that helps! - Tony^{T S C} 21:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I feel there's a double standard here...

Characters like Anju's Grandmother, the Wounded Soldier, Banker, Professor, Laughing Men, Lord Chapu-Chapu, etc. should have articles created by splitting from the one they share it with.We have separate articles on Mr. Barten and Talon, King Zora and Toto, and the Carpet Merchant and Swordsman.This REALLY seems like a double standard to me.It makes no sense why certain characters get their own articles, but others do not. Make up your mind, I'm getting confused.

The least you can do is make this consistent. Make up your mind. They are distinct characters. Just because they are counterparts does not necessitate them sharing an article. If some of them share an article, all of them should (with the exception of Cremia and Romani, etc.). --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 19:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Splitting the Bracelet pages?

So I take it we're splitting Goron's Bracelet, Gauntlets, Power Bracelet, and Power Glove into their own pages? -I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it was decided long ago that the page needed to be rewritten and split. Only after receiving some badgering today did I get around to it. - Tony^{T S C} 23:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Coming from Zeldapedia

Hey, I was a pretty large editor on zeldapedia- I had around 2000 edits and invested a lot of time into it. I stopped around 2012ish, and am wanting to get back to collaborating information towards this great series. However, when I come back to it from an unbiased perspective, Zeldapedia can be really irksome to navigate. It's not a fault of zeldapedia though, it's a fault of wikia. The ads are so annoying, and the forced layout just doesn't help at all. Additionally it seems like Zelda wiki is far more linked into the zelda community being hugely representative of zeldauniverse as well as all the other nintendo wikis. I think I want to try helping out this wiki. I'm not sure if you were there during the issues that arose, but I remember there being a lot of tension between zeldawiki and Zeldapedia, but I want to put that off for now and if I like it here I think I'll stay. Here's hoping to a warmer welcome--Nullatrum (talk) 07:19, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Ah I see. Well you're quite welcome here. :) - Tony^{T S C} 23:39, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

A Question

Hello Kasuto! I'm Hylian Writer, an Italian User. I work at Wikia Net and especially at Zeldapedia Italia, an Italian Zelda Wiki. My username on Wikia is Lord Ghiraim. Please, forgive my terrible English! Anyway, I'm a bit interested about creating a webstite and applying MediaWiki on it (I hope I wrote correctly)... If you want to help me, I need some informations. Number 1: which hosting did you use for this website (or maybe you used a personal server)? Number 2: How did you install MediaWiki? I have other questions... but you can answer me later. Thanks. --Hylian Writer 19:50, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey there! That sounds great. To answer you:

We are hosted on our own private servers. They are managed by Justin.
I'm not certain how MediaWiki was installed for Zelda Wiki, as I personally didn't set this wiki up (I only direct it). However, I think you can find this information here on MediaWiki.org (here it is in Italian).

I hope that helps! If you need anything, don't be afraid to ask. :D - Tony^{T S C} 04:25, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help. Bye! --Hylian Writer 17:13, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

In effect, I would like to know how does Template:AH work. I tried to copy it on my wiki, with images too, but over there it doesn't work. I think this is because you used a special class (tooltipe) that appears in Template code but... can you explain me better? Thanks. --Hylian Writer 13:29, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm working on getting your answer, but it might take a while, because I have to ask some other people. I have not forgotten you, I promise! - Tony^{T S C} 14:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem --Hylian Writer 17:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Navigation

Hi Kasuto! may i please copy your navigation thing? i mean, once i add it to my page i'll change it to link to my pages and have my name and just make it semi-unique. 'cos i really want a navigation panel and the ones wikipedia gives me are... well... just not right. for one thing they are too blocky. soo... may i please copy yours? TrueZelda (Talk) 04:42, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

There is nothing preventing other users from taking inspirational elements from another user's page, but I wouldn't recommend using mine, as it's incomplete and still in construction. It might have some broken coding.

Another user, Chuck, copied an earlier version, which you can see on his userpage. - Tony^{T S C} 14:57, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

The Super Mario Wiki's 'Shroom cordially invites you...

Hello, I am Tucayo from the Super Mario Wiki's monthly publication, The 'Shroom. As you surely know, this February marks the 30th Anniversary of the Zelda series, and we would like to prepare something special, with your help. As a landmark collaboration between our wikis, we want to invite you to write something for us, it can be a review of a Zelda game, a ranking of your favorite games in the franchise, overall thoughts or memories, or maybe even something telling our users about ZeldaWiki! It could be anything to help us make our February issue Zelda-themed. The issue will be released February 20th, so we would really appreciate if we could have your submissions before February 13th. You can email them to mwshroom@gmail.com. Feel free to contact us for any questions you might have.

Thanks!
--Tucayo (talk) 00:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Other wiki screenshot image licensing

Hi, could you tell me how to find out what licensing to put for File:TW Layout.png and Inkipedia's (when it is uploaded)? (Also, the redirect here needs to be deleted) Thanks.

--KokoroSenshi (Talk | contribs) 05:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Well I looked at both sites' general disclaimers (at the bottom of each wiki) and it seems that they both operate under "CC-BY-SA". I went ahead and added that to the Tetris Wiki image. - Tony^{T S C} 11:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I see, thanks. Though Hard Drop Tetris Wiki seems to only have Hard Drop - Tetris Wiki:General disclaimer, which confused me a bit with the first paragraph, then later "All non-image content", though their main page only has the image of the logo (which, by the way, comes under what license if we were to save and upload it or the logo here on Zelda Wiki?). --KokoroSenshi (Talk | contribs) 23:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

My case: Let's talk about the deity page

Intro:

I'm going to vent about an issue from another wiki, don't take this personally: I've had many issues on the Halo wiki with bias high ranking members who abuse their power, where an admin refused to let me talk out solution out with him and banned me for disagreeing, and continued to blatantly ignore me while I sought out a peaceful resolution. I don't think you are like that at all, but to prevent an issue from happening let's talk things out before an edit war happens and/or bans start happening.

First things first. I assume good faith of you, I assume you are an un-bias and professional high ranking administrator. I'd like to be assumed of good faith too, a core principal of this wiki ( http://zeldawiki.org/Help:Editing_Etiquette#Assuming_Good_Faith ). My intentions are to give the wiki updated information and factually correct, even if I am wrong or seen as wrong, my intentions are not ill and not vandalism.

I have read the rules about edit wars. And that we should talk to prevent an edit war. This is our chance to talk ( http://zeldawiki.org/Help:Editing_Etiquette#Edit_Warring ).

The Discussion of the Deity page:

-For years, the section for evil deities (called Devils) stayed, until a random red (no user page) user removed it. This was not an administrator like yourself who made the change, or an official user like me. It was a random red (no user paged) user who made this change for some random reason. If I were to make a change that large today, it would be reverted. There was a huge list of deities (not all deities in Zelda are good, the evil ones should be included), you were okay with at the time. You also said "As for Ganon, I wouldn't consider him a god, but it's still relevant since he acted like one." approving of the Devils section. This random user removed it under the radar and no one questioned why.

-Now about Ganondorf and Demise, they apply. The definition of a deity states "A deity is a supernatural being, like a god or goddess, that is worshipped by people who believe it controls or exerts force over some". Ganondorf is powerful enough to be considered a deity, and is worshiped like a deity by many and even called a "god". Demise is known to be the King of Demons, he has a strength equal too if not greater than the Goddess Hylia herself making him godly. Being the king of Demons, Demise is essentially the Satan or Hades of the Zelda universe. He can easily be considered a deity.

-The other Zelda wiki site, Zeldapedia, acknowledges Demise and Ganondorf as notable deities. They meet the definition of a deity. Does this site, Zelda wiki, have its own personal definition of "Deity"? It seems that way. If so, who made that definition? And why would that personal definition by some user(s) on a wiki over-ride the official definition of a "Deity" as shown in many dictionaries and even the Zelda lore itself?

-Zeldapedia considered Demise and Ganondorf as deities, Dictionaries would accept them as examples for fictional dieties, the games themselves even explicitly state how Ganondorf was worshiped. I don't see why Zelda Wiki (this site) can't allow that. Please respond to my four points, thank you.

Conclusion:

If all else, fails, I would like to propose voting in the talk page. Or some sort of voting system (I know wikis feature that). Thank you for your time.

By the way, does Zelda wiki have an instant messaging system? That would be a far more effective way for us to talk and come to an agreement. If there is an instant messaging system or chat room, that you know of that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!Editorguy117 (talk) 08:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for seeking to resolve this through discussion.

"Devils" and "demons" (even "The Devil" in standard Christianity, not counting Christian variations because A: I don't care, and B: there's no point) are merely supernatural entities and are not gods in their own right. However, we need to distance the conversation from a Christian-centric viewpoint, because the Zelda series is not designed from such. Parallels are purely speculative and apart from blatant imagery present in the early games, Christianity has/had a negligible effect on the series at best.

Being a competent archenemy of a god is not an indication of divinity. That's simply incorrect, and here's why:

Demise roughly contends with Hylia (a lesser goddess, in this case) in power. Ignoring the fact that Demise happens to have a vastly superior army than Hylia (thus outmatching her by proxy), Demise intends to take her power and rule absolutely.
Operating under the assumption that Demise is a deity by right or outright belief (he is not the latter), this implies that individuals powerful enough to defeat deities are deities themselves. Link is powerful enough to defeat Demise, so is he a deity? (The answer is "no".)

True deities tend to have at least some level of conditional immortality. Barring some circumstance stripping them of their immortality, they can be easily identified by this. Another point is that deities themselves cannot use the Triforce. Both Ganon and Demise sought to use it (successfully in Ganon's case, unsuccessfully in Demise's), indicating that they are not truly deities. Simple measures of power can't be regarded as quantifiable aspects towards divinity as consequence.

There seems to be a need to separate deities by outright godhood. There are individuals who are gods, and individuals who are simply regarded as gods. As far as I am aware, Demise (in canon) has not been regarded as a god despite your unsourced definition. He was simply a powerful individual who commanded an army and sought to take and then use the power of gods. Ganon, however, has indeed been mistaken for a god. Thus, he qualifies as the latter sort of false deity.

I'd like to detract from the main point to establish some things before I finish:

What Zeldapedia does has no bearing on what we do. We are not based on them, and whatever silly practices they might have are theirs alone. Please do not waste anyone's time trying to argue from that, it is useless.
Zelda Wiki does not have an instant messaging system, as that has shown to be unproductive and would require too much moderation to keep it so. Instead, we have a forum board on Zelda Universe.

So my suggestion is: let us find a way to establish on the page the dichotomy between true deities (established in canon) and false figures. (Fan interpretations, such as "He can easily be considered a deity." are most unwelcome in this. Speculation has no place on an encyclopedia such as ours.) The page will cover all who are revered as being divine, but make it clear that only a select few actually are. We can try to make a more concrete definition of this, but at the moment the only verifiably true gods/goddesses are limited to a select few based on certain conditions such as their (in)ability to use the Triforce. All else who are simply worshiped certainly qualify as being a deity "de narratur" rather than de facto. This wouldn't accomplish much other than rewording a sentence or two on the page; it would still keep Demise and other demons/malicious entities out of it. - Tony^{T S C} 07:43, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, was finishing exams. Are you suggesting that we would add a section of false deities onto that page, which would include Ganondorf. Or a whole no page together? Let me know when you get the chance, thanks! Editorguy117 (talk) 21:54, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

A list of false deities would be just Ganon(dorf), as far as I know. More specifically, I mean individuals who are only considered deities, without any proof of it. That would happily include Ganon and others. - Tony^{T S C} 22:48, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Those new HW Recolor Renders

Just a heads up, those are official models, but fan made poses. Truth be told I've made contact with the person who made those renders and we are set to re-do all the re-color costume images with custom poses made specifically for both this wiki and the Koei wiki. So while those are good for now, better renders are on the way.
Ixbran (talk) 22:20, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! - Tony^{T S C} 22:31, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

The theme were going to try and go for is that re-color costumes based off something specific will be posed similarly to the artwork of the being they are possibly referencing. IE This recolor costume render will be posed like this artwork its thought to be based off of. When it comes to costumes that don't have a specific/possible references then we are going to have the model posed similarly to an artwork relating to them already, such as this recolor costume being posed to how the same character appears in this artwork. First were trying to get our hands on all the game models, and my friend is going to put the appropriate bones to each one so they can be posed specifically for this project. Luckily my friend is a sweet heart and shes willing to do this work for free. We just don't have a set date/time when they will all be ready, just know they will be some point hopefully soon.
Ixbran (talk) 22:55, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

I'll be honest: I don't like the idea of basing poses off of inferred connections. We've butted heads over this before, but the fact is that it's clear nobody can agree 100% on these (even you have changed your opinion on some), so the only rational move available is to omit subjective views from the Wiki and leave it to the viewer to make their own inference and form their own opinions. Costumes that have explicit patterns are more acceptable, because these are generally irrefutable. So I would heavily advise against this, even for Koei Wikia as well. For Zelda Wiki, objectivity is the ideal. We purposefully leave subjectivity for the fans, both to remain neutral and to be as accurate as possible.^[Note]

To offer an alternative, I think it would be more helpful to pose them in the same manner as their neutral artwork, like this one for that particular Costume you linked.

For your consideration, the developers even did this, as you can see here, here and here (with Lana^{[ 1, 2, 3 ]} and several others too). I know it might create a sort of dullness in presentation, but the precedence shows that the devs chose these poses to best showcase the characters, and I don't think it would hurt to follow suit. At least in that regard, it would create relative uniformity, and it might save some work of having to rig them all in a multitude of different positions. - Tony^{T S C} 08:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

SS Items template is ready, maybe?

Hi, I've finally gotten some bursts of time in to settle modifying the nav templates I'm using for the SS Items template, however there's still a few things:

First, The image quality/size I decided on and there being 6 levels means that there's about 6*800KB of images to load, which I am concerned about whether it shouldn't be used until that is reduced. (I note that if we're cropping upper level images, the translucency of the background means that we can't overlap these sections...)

Also, I just remembered, but there are some modifications to {{Nav Template}} for my {{Nav Template1}} that I'd like for someone to check in case there are issues that may later pop up unannounced.

Thanks!

--KokoroSenshi (Talk | contribs) 15:04, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so, so much for making that. It's been ~5 years since SS came out, so I think it's really welcome, regardless of initial size. I've actually been discussing it with the fellow staff members about it, and the consensus among us is that these templates would probably be better being removed from the page real estate across the board in favor of "styled links to the listings pages", while they are repurposed for the Inventory page. That decision is certainly not finalized, but I hope you understand and sympathize with that. Let me know how you feel, though. Having put so much work into it, I think you definitely deserve a good say in it.

And I will definitely review the other two templates. I'll let you know if I find anything off! - Tony^{T S C} 17:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I don't mind any decision you all decide on really, and I think the idea makes sense, since it does take a lot of space and has a lot of things in it. One thing I think would be cool is if there's a link to show (load) a navigation template only if they want to (in a "fill the screen, click out or escape to close" way). Would that need an iframe? I don't know, but the idea seems cool, even if lacking in any point or justifiable reason in implementing it.

I was thinking of adding the dowsing and adventure pouch items to the template but it seems to be getting a bit to complex at that point in time. I haven't figured out a way to sort out the dowsing items (and how/when they are activated so I can screenshot them), though I figured out a reasonable arrangement for the adventure pouch that doesn't even have any duplicates (except for the physical duplicates of medallions).

Regarding moving them to Inventory, that sounds like a good opportunity to put some details or explanations of each inventory system for each game.

--KokoroSenshi (Talk | contribs) 14:09, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors Weapon placement

A Couple of Questions;

I know the ones that are in Red text, you want them to be in Info deplay pages of their own. But what about the ones that already lead to a page? Reason im asking is because when I was putting the Stats info for weapons (e.g. Trident, Fire Rod, etc) u changed them back. For I believe they must require their stat info (e.g: Sheik's Goddess Harp and King Daphnes Sail). Am I allowed to put back the Weapon strength stats for the ones that already lead to a link, or are you planning to put a personal new page for each of them?
Fi's Goddess Sword link leads to Fi's character profile while you have Fi and the Goddess Sword as two different pages, which is confusing. Please clarify to me that the info u want to give Fi's Weapon is about the Weapon or the Character? Template:Nosig

I did no such to either Trident or the Fire Rod page. There's no issue here.

Fi's Weapons should be on the Goddess Blade page. - Tony^{T S C} 18:49, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Then why is the link's leading the viewers to Fi's character profile?

I want using my edits on the Trident, Fire Rod as examples but I saw my similiar edits on Sheik's harp was changed back. Template:Nosig

By the time you asked that, it wasn't. It's now as it should be.

Your edit to Goddess's Harp was in an inappropriate location. The appropriate location is Harp. All the Weapons belong on a page under their class name, as seen here. As you can see, "Goddess's Harp" is only a subset of the Harp, thus it was undone.

Again, sign your talk page messages with four tildes. There is a box below the edit field containing shortcuts for code, which includes the four tildes that you can simply click if you need. - Tony^{T S C} 19:07, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up.

Very well then so a Weapon page has to be made for Sheik's Harp then? And what about others that lead to existing pages such as Wizzro's ring, Twili Midna's Mirror, Young Link's Fierce Deity Mask Weapons, Linkle's Crossbow, Toon Link's Hero Sword, and King Daphnes Sail? Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

The general rule is they go on the page titled after the Weapon class. If it overlaps with previous pages, it goes under a HW section. - Tony^{T S C} 19:23, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for Clearing that up then. I'll continue make a Weapon page for the ones that dont exist yet then. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 19:27, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Of note, Twili Midna's Weapon, the Mirror, is a bit of a tricky one, so I would say to just leave that to me. - Tony^{T S C} 19:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Understood Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 19:36, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Sorry

Ugh, I try to avoid using Eldin Caves for the Dark great Fairy and wanted to use something with a little more Lighting in the background. But whatever, glad I made u guys post something that was needed Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 02:01, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

It was a quick fix, as an image of greater quality (and proper name) was needed. I can see about replacing it, but for now, a full model rip would serve better than any screenshot could. Also I really do not appreciate the implication of have "made [us] guys post something". - Tony^{T S C} 02:03, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Image Request

We need a VS Big Blin (Ruffian) and VS Stone Blin icons cuz on Skills for Hyrule Warriors Legends, the "VS Soldier" skill, the game says they are good against them as well. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 02:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

We do, but we among the staff don't presently rip files from games directly. We more often use The Spriters Resource, as you can see in the FileInfo template's source attribution on each file. I'll see what we can do, but it's easier said than done. - Tony^{T S C} 03:42, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Very well. I gave you what is needed on Skills as well, so Good luck. Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 04:27, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

The Videos

Those were Official gameplay videos that were shown before Skyward Sword was released Wolfgerlion64 (talk) 02:35, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

The Lizalfos video has a GameXplain watermark overlayed on top (and was a stolen repost) and the Moblin one has a TheBitBlock pre-roll before it, which would indicate that they likely had review copies. There's ten reasons to one as for why it's not official.

And even if they were, they're not good videos (unprofessional by Nintendo standards) and really kind of useless. Having been released prior to the public launch is not an indicator of officiality. - Tony^{T S C} 02:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)