User talk:Ceiling Master/Archive 4

Stamina Wheel
Just to answer you that I took it from several in-game texts, it seems to be the exact expression used in BotW, for example |this video.WiseAdventurer (talk) 15:49, June 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Good catch. — Ceiling  Master  15:52, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

Stone Umbrella
I understand it's not trivia worthy but it should be mentiond somewhere, and a redirect as people might mistake a stone umbrella for an item, I know I did the first time around.
 * Try to find a way to incorporate it into the section where that would fit best &mdash; not Trivia. A lot of the stuff that you're adding is insignificant enough to not warrant even a note on the page, let alone an entirely new Trivia section. — Ceiling  Master  23:52, June 19, 2016 (UTC)

any ideas?
Well any ideas where they can go?

Papuchia villiage girl
I'm guessing you took out my info about the cute/ plain girl too, well she should be mentioned in the Papuchia village section as well as she is also a resident.

Can you do it then?
Can you put them into the article correctly then since I can't seem to get it right? Cause these things are very very noteworthy.

Can you do it then 2.
Sorry keep forgetting tildes. Pikmin theories (talk) 00:16, June 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * First things first, I added the relevant information. But more importantly, you need to stop reverting edits. You did the right thing by bringing it up with me, but instead of letting us work it out, you immediately went back and undid my edits. Don't do that.


 * Also, these things are definitely not "very very noteworthy". Plot devices, major game mechanics, important items, etc. are very noteworthy. Weak connections between characters and small, insignificant differences between games aren't the things we usually include in our articles. — Ceiling  Master  01:01, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Vaati
Actually Vaati does laugh like the Happy Mask Salesman (in Minish Cap) He goes Hmmm Hmmm Hmmm, Just Like Mask salesman before he say you've met with a terrible fate, I brought it up because you have it mentioned how Minister Potho sounds like the Postman. And sorry about the trouble I caused I'm still new here. P.S. Thank you for adding my info, Oh you also have an article for the swamp fishing hole in MM3D but not the Ocean fishing hole.

It's just that nobody's been getting back to me on those facts about adding them, I mentioned them in the talk pages like several months ago and nobody got back to me, sorry againf for forgetting tildesPikmin theories (talk) 01:19, June 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * The Minister Potho bit is because the actual soundbyte is exactly the same. That's the difference.


 * No one really checks the talk pages anymore. — Ceiling  Master  01:29, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

It's the same happy mask salesman bit as well.
 * Are you referring to Vaati's laugh and this scene from Majora's Mask? I guess I see what you mean now. — Ceiling  Master  01:58, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Yep that's it alright, definitely the same.Pikmin theories (talk) 02:05, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Saying they use the same sound byte is generally more encyclopedic than saying they sound the same which comes across as generally specultive. It's minor but it is something we tend to note. I recall that the Zuna article mentions they use the same sound byte as Japas. Oni Dark Link 02:30, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

zora butt
why did you remove that glitch?Pikmin theories (talk) 14:17, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, first of all it's a little inappropriate for an encyclopedic website. Second of all, it's pretty insignificant. I don't like us having glitch pages at all, but we try to contain the glitches to relatively important ones &mdash; otherwise, every little bug in the game would end up on those pages. — Ceiling  Master  17:28, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

Hey. I'm back.. --Lol559 (talk) 22:36, August 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it. — Ceiling  Master  22:41, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Impossible Phantom hourglass
Is it impossible to beat Phantom Hourglass on the 2ds, cause it can't be closed which makes the Sun Key impossible to obtain, I'm not sure if it's valid, but I did some research and it says activating sleep mode solves the puzzle, but regardless, either scenario should be mentioned, in the Phantom Hourglass (game) article.Pikmin theories (talk) 01:44, August 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, I hadn't thought about that. I assume there's a way around it &mdash; can you confirm that sleep mode does work? If so, it should probably be added to the Sun Key page at least. — Ceiling  Master  13:04, August 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * Main Phantom Hourglass page wouldn't suit but the 3DS page would probably be a relevant place in addition to the Sun Key page. Oni Dark Link 13:18, August 14, 2016 (UTC)

No, I can't confirm it, (as I don't have 2ds) which is why I brought it up here, so somebody can, but like I said before either scenario should be mentioned somewhere, and the Phantom hourglass page mentions closing the DS, so if it is sleep mode couldn't sleep mode on 2ds be added in parenthesis? Also, I don't believe the Sun key page mentions closing the system.Pikmin theories (talk) 13:59, August 14, 2016 (UTC)

Converting to Portable Infoboxes
Heya! I'm not sure if you've heard of Portable Infoboxes before, but I've been working on converting some of Zeldapedia's infoboxes to this markup. I explained this already, but the tl;dr is that it's a more future proof markup and better on non-desktop skins such as mobile (you can read more here and here if you're still curious). I've made two Portable Infobox versions of the character infobox. The first is a a Portable Infobox replica of the original which you see on the right - in this case, only the code will change, and not the appearance. The second is a new Portable Infobox design based on the same colors - this is a new design, and we can go with this if you prefer.

When I ran it by Oni Dark Link, he approved of converting to the PI markup, and said he preferred the replica design. Do you approve of converting to PI, and if so, do you prefer either of the two designs, and/or want any tweaks made to them? Thanks!-- V  Technobliterator   T  C  06:34, August 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * I do like the replica, but I'm of the opinion that Zeldapedia needs quite a bit of updating (as in, it's stayed exactly the same for almost a decade) so I would say go with the New PI.


 * That being said, it might be beneficial to start with changing over to the replica and eventually switch over to the New PI, just so the change isn't quite so jarring &mdash; is that something that's doable? — Ceiling  Master  12:29, August 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yep, of course. When everything is switched over to PI, all it'll take is a CSS edit to change to the new PI design I came up with. So I'll leave the code around and leave the design up there as an option, but for the time being I'll switch the infoboxes to replica. Thanks for taking a look!-- V  Technobliterator   T  C  14:26, August 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * Update: everything is now pushed live! Again, my showcase will still have the new PI design I came up with if you guys want to switch to that at any point. If you need any help with anything technical in the future, feel free to gimme a shout. Thanks!-- V  Technobliterator   T  C  09:10, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks again for your hard work. — Ceiling  Master  12:59, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Dark Link is Link?
hey Ceiling Master I have to ask this do you think that the Dark Link in all of the games is actually a Link from a different world and when you kill him you actually are killing the Link of that world and so when you do that you will then when he kills you then you are getting killed by that Link and each time you do that with any Dark Link you are essentially making sure that something like Moira where your fate is left to the next person who plays the game Vileplume Viler
 * No, I don't think that's a valid theory. Dark Link is supposed to be a representation of Link's dark side, as far as I know. Defeating Dark Link (at least to me) is symbolic of Link overcoming his own weakness and embracing the Triforce of Courage. But it's all open to interpretation. — Ceiling  Master  23:39, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

'''The Kokiri ''' ok so dude I have to ask about when do Kokiri know that they could reproduce and have kids if they always look like a kid forever like when do they figure out that part or how do Kokiri come about?

Hey there dude! I was always wondering if the zelda wikia app will ever get a discussions board. I rarely get on PC nowadays so if I could chat with you on Kik that would be awesome. my kik is in my profile page.

Actually your edit is correct. We are talking about Link's inertia not the object-frozen-in-time's inertia. Is there comments section on each page at least? The Yooka-Laylee Wiki has a comments section on every page.
 * We don't have a comment section on this wiki. Green   Rupee  23:49, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks For Cleaning Up My New Pages
Like the title says, I made some new pages that were lists of weapons and bows in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, because there was no definitive list of them in the Nav Box. I hope you and other Administrators can help me make some decent lists of materials, arrows, recipes, runes and the like because I am very inexperienced in making things other than edits to text. ShadowDurza (talk)

Message from Metalreflectslime
Is there a reason why you deleted my List of enemies in BotW page?

https://zeldawiki.org/Enemies_in_Breath_of_the_Wild

Zelda Wiki has their own page of enemies for BotW.

-metalreflectslime
 * Yes, I included my reasoning when I deleted the page. We have a massive list of all enemies by name, and a separate page that already splits them up by game. We don't need twenty other pages dedicated solely to splitting up an already decent-looking (if long) page.


 * As for Zelda Wiki, what they do does not govern our decisions in any way. — Ceiling  Master  13:48, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

Video Unit for Breath of the Wild
Hey there Ceiling Master,

My name is Doug from Fandom's Community Development Team. I am reaching out to ask whether the community would be open to hosting an embedded trailer of Breath of the Wild on the main page and Breath of the Wild article page from Feb 13th - March 3rd.

We have some flexibility with duration and where the video is embedded - but we would first like confirm if the adminship/community is comfortable hosting this video unit. Let me know yes/no or if you have any other questions. Appreciate it! Have a great day.

TheBlueRogue •(profile)•(talk)•(doug@wikia-inc.com) 18:58, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for letting me know. I like the idea, but I'll certainly create a forum and ask the community. I'll let you know what we decide! — Ceiling  Master  20:25, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Wiki skins
Do you always keep the Monobook skin everywhere or do you manually change your skins each time you switch from one wiki to another? In particular between Zeldapedia with the Monobook skin and the Xenoblade Wiki with the Monobook or Wikia skin? WiseAdventurer (talk) 20:01, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I actually don't use Monobook, I just use the Wikia skin for all the Wikis I edit. — Ceiling  Master  21:33, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * OK! I thought a little moment that everyone (of the team) probably used the Monobook skin here because the colour point worked well with this skin but each time I switch back to the Wikia skin, it disappeared, and because I saw that the Wiki has been well parametrised or customised under Monobook appearance (while Xenoblade not). Green Rupee has eventually fixed the right parameter, now it works well with both skins. WiseAdventurer (talk) 22:05, February 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, because I only use Monobook I forgot to check if your name changed color on the Wikia skin. Green   Rupee  22:27, February 9, 2017 (UTC)

Message from metalreflectslime
Do we not want the letter "s" in plural forms and apostrophes and its corresponding "s" letter to be hyperlinked as well?

I was fixing the hyperlinks.

Are you claiming that I could be color-blind to the color blue vs. black where I unnecessarily hyper-link texts that have already been previously correctly hyper-linked?

If yes, what is so bad about overly hyper-linking texts that are already properly hyper-linked?

--Metalreflectslime (talk) 14:32, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

-metalreflectslime
 * Pipelinks are unnecessary when a link is being pluralized. For example, Rupees and Rupees look exactly the same; they both come out as Rupees. As for apostrophes, we don't add them into links. That's just in the Manual of Style.


 * I wasn't insinuating that you're colorblind, that's ridiculous. I was wondering if you you were using the Visual Editor, which isn't as exact as the Source Editor and tends to cause issues like that.


 * When a link is already correct, there's no need to change it. It's inefficient to pipelink when you can just add a character to the end of a pluralized link and have the same result. — Ceiling  Master  15:17, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

But in the previous case on Runes, the "s" letters were clearly not hyperlinked.

In such cases, we should use Xs over the pipes?

--Metalreflectslime (talk) 18:41, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, as long as you can add characters to the end without compromising the integrity of the word being linked, Xs is better than X|Xs . — Ceiling  Master  18:57, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

I see.

"A valuable ore that gives off a mesmerizing iridescence similar to the inside of a seashell. It contains the power of water."

I am 99% sure this is the final in-game description because:

1. ruby, topaz, sapphire has fire, lightning, ice in the description so it makes sense for opal to have the word "water" somewhere in the description due to opal being a water elemental add on material to weapons

2. the latest videos show my description over the previous description.
 * Okay, that works. Like I said, small things like quotes shouldn't be too hard to change if the need arises. — Ceiling  Master  19:25, February 17, 2017 (UTC)


 * Metalreflectslime, so what you have added about these materials that grant an element by crafting weapons... is only from your own interpretation, no sources? So it is speculative and I think they must be removed. This is first of all an encyclopaedia, we must be as rigorous as possible. WiseAdventurer (talk) 21:00, February 17, 2017 (UTC)

Note from WA: I suggest you not to read this even though not so explicit... Actually the relation of the "See also" section is related to a major plot spoiler.

I have finally discovered why I have been using pipes instead of [X]s.

It is because I use the visual editor which does not highlight the "s" letter for plural forms of words.

As a result, I falsely believe that the "s" letter was not correctly hyperlinked.

I will remember to use the source editor at all times in the future. --Metalreflectslime (talk) 16:37, February 27, 2017 (UTC)


 * This is not a good reason, you are also giving a big spoiler to CM, for now, during a few days, I suggest to minimise a maximum some info, and more important when you address a message to someone. WiseAdventurer (talk) 17:51, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

The current page
Sorry if you have been spoiled, I was looking for the templates to add them and re-reading the text to correct it a bit, you came too fastly. I have noted these templates for the possible next pages containing spoilers. However, note that this info comes from the Edge article, journalists have to take care with spoilers, and it is a thing you will know early from the beginning of the game. WiseAdventurer (talk) 19:15, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. We're getting to the point where it's acceptable to start replacing the "Future Game" templates with "Spoiler" templates, as people have review copies and leaks are starting to come in. I will be avoiding BotW pages so as not to spoil myself, however, so my editing may be limited in the near future; just a heads up. — Ceiling  Master  19:22, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a good point, for the incoming Xenoblade games, we rather did this, the main banner worked both for "future game" and "spoilers" warning. Do you think I should also add the spoiler templates on each location and item pages I will add even though not well developed pages?
 * And just to inform you, Edge has reviewed BotW with a note of 10/10 knowing, that Edge is rather stricter than other magazines. WiseAdventurer (talk) 19:45, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll leave empty pages to your discretion, although I would err on the side of caution and stick them on regardless. Once the game is out for a while, we'll phase out the unnecessary ones, like we've been doing with XCX.


 * Interesting that Edge gave a perfect score; I have very high hopes for this game, and I hope it rejuvenates Nintendo a lot. — Ceiling  Master  23:53, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

Hello! I am here to improve my english, but I want to respect the average modification level so I will not make big changes, do not hesitate to give me small spots easy ... My french profil in the Zelda wiki.fr : http://fr.zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Utilisateur:Akin9 Thank!

Promoting Nintendo Switch Fandom Article
Hey there Ceiling Master!

My name's Ryan and I'm with Fandom's Community Development Team. I wanted to reach out and ask whether the community would be open to hosting a banner ad linking to an article about the Nintendo Switch that's currently featured on Fandom from March 2 - March 28.

Specifically, we'd like to place the banner on the following article pages; Link Timeline Quest for Biggoron's Sword The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild

We'd also like to promote the article in your Forums if possible. If you want to take a look at the banners, you can see them here on my personal sandbox wiki. Let me know if you think the community would be open to this and definitely feel free to hit me up if you have any other questions. Thank you! Have a great day!
 * Hey, Ryan. Thanks for reaching out; I'll start up a forum right away. — Ceiling  Master  18:07, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Message from Kevbowie
This is not how categories work i just putting what was not listed zelda fans want to exactly want to know where they can find everything and the not a reason wht my categories should not be removed i followed what right on the the legend of zelda wikia now please i ask kindly not to ondo my work thank you and beside you don't see any other zelda games with categories with details.
 * The Breath of the Wild hub category has several subcategories, which are the categories that you added to the page. Each of those categories is under the hub category, so they shouldn't be added to the actual Breath of the Wild page. — Ceiling  Master  22:01, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

User Issues
Hey there, Master. Things have been relatively calm on the /d board, and users have been behaving themselves, except one user who violated multiple rules and deserves a ban. This user not only mocked the "Announcements" rule, but also the "Alternate accounts" rule and general policy, and off-topic posting. Here's the post: http://zelda.wikia.com/d/p/2972208471791235381 A ban should be enforced due to this excessive breaking of rules, but given this is the first time this has happened, either one day or a three day ban should suffice to make this person review their behaviour. P.S; the tidles still do not work, for some odd reason. Until I find the source of the problem, I will attempt to sign myself off somehow. Yours Zelda-y Aquila. (User talk:Aquila2002)
 * Thanks for keeping it under control, Aquila. I'll block the offender for three days; if he keeps being a problem and trolling around, we can certainly perma-ban him. Strange that the tildes don't work for you; are you putting four in a row after your post (i.e. ~ )? — Ceiling  Master  12:39, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

I believe I did try four once, at the Voting Poll, yet it stll didn't work. Anyhow i'll play around and see if it'll work. Eventually it should. Also, sorry for the extremely long times I take to read these, as March - May will be the busiest months for me this entire year, plus I am on holidays now so it should be a bit easier. Kudos!Aquila2002 (talk) 12:05, April 3, 2017 (UTC)

(Aha! The Tildes work!)

Hyrule Castle
So should it be also removed on the Hyrule Castle (Twilight Princess) page as well? WiseAdventurer (talk) 15:58, April 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know why that's there. The first bolded words in an article should never be linked. If it's super important, a for template at the top of the page will suffice. — Ceiling  Master  15:59, April 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * There are several others on games dedicated pages such as Ganondorf (Twilight Princess), etc. WiseAdventurer (talk) 16:02, April 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, great. Time to do some investigation; thanks for letting me know. — Ceiling  Master  16:11, April 8, 2017 (UTC)

Link in the same way you did to Zelda
After I witnessed your edit on Princess Zelda, I went ahead and did the same with Link - Here's the proof - though it's obviously I don't need to linking it.

Um, pardon the puns. FredCat 17:15, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. It probably would've taken me a while to remember his page. — Ceiling  Master  17:27, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. Hope your biology wasn't the same as BotW Link's - after all, he suffered the memory loss... FredCat 17:41, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think you (both) forgot to add the old ones to the gallery, right? I have added them in case... WiseAdventurer (talk) 21:22, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * At least we didn't forget your presenting. Thank you for cover the base. ^_^ FredCat 22:14, April 12, 2017 (UTC)

Zelda
Why are you changing all the Princess Zelda links to Zelda? Doens't really seem all that necessary (though given Zelda isn't a princess in Skyward Sword, I would seriously consider renaming the page itself) Oni Dark Link
 * No, in fact, he has just modified the links Zelda by Zelda in order to link the main page and not the redirection. :) WiseAdventurer (talk) 03:06, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Ah. That's me just not paying enough attention then. I thought it was going Princess Zelda to Zelda Oni Dark Link 03:19, April 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just trying to clear out the redirect links. There's always more than I remember. — Ceiling  Master  11:37, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks
I was trying to figure out what I was doing wrong for like thirty minutes. Thanks for fixing my mistake. As for the rito page, it was honestly my first time doing that kind of edit, so thanks again.
 * Not a problem! Everyone's new sometime, and Wiki-code can be kind of a bear to learn and deal with at times. — Ceiling  Master  01:42, April 16, 2017 (UTC)

This spacing error in infoboxes
Hi CM, would you like me to use my bot and fix those spacing error in infoboxes?May it be probably time to ask the community for a new flag bot? Just for my information, from where or why do this precise extra space must be added? It seems a bit weird at first sight. WiseAdventurer (talk) 20:51, April 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, WA. Unfortunately, I don't think AWB can fix this. It's purely a syntactical thing, but as I'm sure you've noticed using the Source editor, infoboxes should look like this:


 * Et cetera. The equal signs are all lined up, standardized, yay! I'm happy and the Wiki is a better place. However! I've noticed that on a lot of infoboxes, they look like this:


 * A space is missing. It's everywhere, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. I get that it's not a huge deal, but standardizing is kind of my thing, so it bugs me to see it on almost every page. — Ceiling  Master  23:10, April 19, 2017 (UTC)

EDIT: Okay, waaaaait a second. These previews aren't lining up for me. Something is very wrong here.

EDIT 2: Okay, on further inspection, the font used in my source editor puts the "fi" in first game as one character. So the first "p" in "appearances" lines up with the "r" in first instead of the "i". What do you see on these previews, compared to the source editor? Any changes?

Message from Tío Marulete
https://youtu.be/GS19yKx67U4
 * Err... yes? What's your point? — Ceiling  Master  01:31, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Message from Captain Jack Sparrow 3
You know ceiling master, you are kind of like Donald Trump; You are a moron and a jerk, but you are powerful.

Anywhere on the internet you will find nice people, and you will find jerks like us.
 * I don't think you have as good a read on me as you think you do. Alas, I'm not the President of the United States &mdash; and maybe that's a good thing, although I would do my best to eliminate gerrymandering and propose national holidays centered around waffles. — Ceiling  Master  12:38, April 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Or rather two national holidays, one for waffles with chocolate, one for waffles with maple syrup! WiseAdventurer (talk) 14:43, April 20, 2017 (UTC)

Message from Shyceevee
Latest revision as of 19:45, April 20, 2017 (edit)(undo) Ceiling Master (Talk | contribs) (Ugh... non-apostrophes are the spawn of Ganon himself.) Line 19:	Line 19: Side quests Side quests −	+	Shrine quests Shrine quests Latest revision as of 19:45, April 20, 2017
 * "The Hero’s Cache"
 * "The Hero's Cache"

dont get it
 * Uh... what's not to get? The Ganon joke? Don't worry about it. It's hard to tell, but  '  and ’ are two different characters. The first is an apostraphe. The second is an impost-raphe. — Ceiling  Master  03:52, April 21, 2017 (UTC)

Sampling vs quoting
Hey there, you're not entirely right about quoting vs sampling. The bit I edited is an example of musical quotation: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_quotation

Sampling is when you directly record the source and incorporate the recording into a new work. The Zelda II Overworld piece in question simply quotes the the notes of the original theme and doesn't sample it.

As an analogy, sampling text would be incorporating a scan of the source material.

SirPrimalform (talk) 15:36, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U
Done, I have just fixed those links to redirect "Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Wii U".

However, we have lost the complete history of the page Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U. The easiest way to recover it is to recreate the page Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Wii U and force it to be renamed/moved over Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U. If you prefer, Green Rupee has already done this kind of manipulation, he knows well this thing. This is why I tried to rename it back before an admin comes and finally manage it, ‎PSI Fire renamed back once again...

Do you agree that on all the Super Smash Bros. games pages, the recent mentions added about the initials or short names (essentially used by fans, so not official regarding Nintendo) should be removed since we did not do that for the Zelda games, for example "Super Smash Bros. 4 (SSB4, Sm4sh, Smash 4, and SSBWU/3DS)" on Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U. What do you think? At least we should unbold these initials.WiseAdventurer (talk) 16:57, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks!


 * Yeah, if GR can do it, we'll let him handle it.


 * Yeah, I think we should unbold them at the very least. Since I took out most of those unnecessary redirects, I don't think they're important in the slightest. — Ceiling  Master  17:28, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

Arbiter's Grounds TP and BotW
I wonder whether a "for" template atop could be better than a "see also", or not. I prefer to ask you beforehand. WiseAdventurer (talk) 21:59, May 30, 2017 (UTC)
 * Eh, sure, why not? — Ceiling  Master  22:15, May 30, 2017 (UTC)

If we were to that it would have to be something pretty subdued mostly used just for editing. Nothing too gaudy. It needs to be noticeable but subtle so's not to distract from the article at hand. Oni Dark Link 05:15, June 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Is it OK for you as such, not too gaudy? ("see also" replaced by the for template)


 * Arbiter's Grounds (Twilight Princess)
 * Arbiter's Grounds (Breath of the Wild)
 * WiseAdventurer (talk) 21:45, June 5, 2017 (UTC)

Works for me. I'm not sure how consistent we are with "for" templates vs. See also sections across the Wiki; it was something I meant to look into, but never got around to doing. Too busy clearing out redirect links. — Ceiling  Master  00:37, June 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah that looks good. Only I don't think it's all that appropriate for the Arbiter's Grounds page on retrospect. Users will know it's not the one from Breath of the Wild based on the title. The "for" directors should be for pages with generic names that players might mistake for something more specific elsewhere. Like Fortune Teller or Ocarina. Or when something happens to be two different things like Cannon where a See Also section isn't really appropriate. Basically See Also should be for related articles, For directors should be for redirecting the user if they might go to the wrong page. Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 18:05, June 6, 2017 (UTC)


 * There is another alternative method atop many articles (older?), a kind of "for" without using the template but by fully writing the sentences, as you can see on Old Man or Ganon. I wonder whether it is more suitable or convenient to replace (I can manage it if needed) all these trivial "for" full sentences by the "for" template, or not. Moreover this use of the trivial "for" full sentences implies a more or less annoying "bug" double-quote italicising option with a grey highlight of the text until the end of the article whiling in "source mode" edition...WiseAdventurer (talk) 23:00, June 6, 2017 (UTC)

Quest Infobox
How long do you think before we have the quest infobox? (User:Jackdjb3 (talk) 23:24, June 8, 2017 (UTC))
 * Things tend to be extremely slow around here, but thanks for the reminder. It's definitely something we need to work on. I'll bump the forum. — Ceiling  Master  23:34, June 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Where is the Forum? I can't find it. (User:Jackdjb3 (talk) 23:37, June 8, 2017 (UTC))
 * Here the forum you looked for, WikiGuardian. I had to go and look through Ceiling Master's History to find it. FredCat 00:25, June 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. In case either of you don't know, I'd highly recommend becoming familiar with the recent changes page. It's very helpful for regular editors. — Ceiling  Master  11:45, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

Yes, let's pursue the discussion on the forum.WiseAdventurer (talk) 16:50, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

Edit-warring
Just to inform you of a recurring issue of edit-warring and irrelevant edits by HungryForApples. Thank you, I also leave the message to GR.WiseAdventurer (talk) 01:09, July 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Uh, I am CM. Also, the version you're reverting back to has some weird grammar. I'll rewrite it a bit so there's less ambiguity. — Ceiling  Master  01:28, July 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oups, sorry, late night here, probably time to go to sleep! OK, thank you, there is a screenshot below to see what happens exactly.WiseAdventurer (talk) 01:42, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

Pages in need of expanding
I recently edited the page entitled Ant to include information as instead of just links, the next day it had been reverted back to its original state. I presume this was because it served as a link to more specific pages rather than a source of information in itself. (I'm fairly new to editing so I probably missed any sign of this.) However as I came across it when searching pages in need of expansion I'm guessing it was probably put there by mistake and might need to be removed. I wrote about 800 words for it and I'd hate for anyone who was slower at typing to make the same mistake as me. Thanks. bagadew (talk) 04:44, July 6, 2017
 * Hi, Bagadew! For pages such as "Ant" or "Bear" or even "Seven Sages", we usually make them into disambiguation pages because there are different versions of them appearing in various games. Most of the information you added to the page can already be found on each of the other pages, and I just kept a brief explanation of what each one was to be used as a disambiguation. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask! — Ceiling  Master  11:50, July 6, 2017 (UTC)

Potential Crowd Control Problems
Hey there, Ceiling Master. First off, I would like to aplogise for not being able to be active here, on the PC Main space, in a long time. I came here with a question regarding the Rules and Guidelines. Recently there has been an outbreak of posts that have been breaking the rules despite me linking them for everyone to read. I have even made a post about it, and it can be seen in the Latest column. The PC of which I am typing on is absolutely terrible, and just starting it up took about 15 minutes due to crashes. So, my question is, how can we be sure that the Users will follow the rules? Also, what kind of repercussions will the specific Users (of which their posts had to have been massively deleted by me due to rule-breaking) get? Also, I hope you are having a fine day. Good to speak to you after a long break! Aquila2002 (talk) 14:43, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, Aquila. No worries on being inactive, I've been fairly busy myself recently. To be honest, I'm still unsure on how the Discussions guidelines match up to those on the mainspace. I'd say you could be fairly lenient in regards to which posts you delete and whatnot. As for repercussions, I don't think you can block anyone only from posting on Discussions, and I'm not willing to block people Wiki-wide just because their forum post is off-topic or whatever. So in short, I'll leave which users you think deserve a "time-out" to your discretion (like obvious spam, vandalism, trolling, etc.), and if you have any specific questions or examples, feel free to ask! — Ceiling  Master  20:26, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Master. I suppose it is to be expected that the /d Users will be less Mature than expected. I naturally came to be very protective of the rules as I am an active member of TES wikia, which has a strict policy, and I am rather well-known in the generic community. So, if there was a User who would surely need a Time-Out for breaking some of the more potent rules (Such as the ones you mentioned; Spam, Vandalism and such), how would I come about with the Justice system, of sorts? I am a Moderator, and only Administrators can perform this, and so can Bureaucrats. As I am very rarely available on PC, how would I be able to pass the message onto you? Things have been going alright on the /d so far, albeit things are starting to slowly become more and more active. Also, I will be going on a short Holiday on the 18th (For roughly two weeks), and so I am unsure if I would be able to regularly monitor the Discussions. Thanks in advance, Master. --Aquila2002 (talk) 12:59, August 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Zeldapedia has some fairly strict policies as well &mdash; discussions are a new thing for everyone, though, and we haven't really talked about them much here. In regards to "time-outs", can you block people on Discussions at all? If not, feel free to drop me a message and I'll handle their block, at least until we figure out something more permanent. — Ceiling  Master  17:46, August 12, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I understand. And no, I d not have such priorities to block people over the /d, as it doesn't act as a Chat-esque moderation. My power resides in locking posts and deleting them, and replies. I let discussions happen, and just remind people if they broke a rule and they continue on with their business, so that much is fine so far. Anyhow, if a 'Time-Out' is required for a specific User(s), I'll let you know. Have a nice day!--Aquila2002 (talk) 12:57, August 14, 2017 (UTC)

Time-Outs
I'll use this sub-title to address any Further User issues, specifically those that are causing trouble and/or purposefully are breaking rules. As a request, could you run an IP check on this User [] and see if it matches any other Users on this wiki. Also, could you show me the IP of this User, as I would like to do some confirmations on TES wiki as well. I'm all to familiar with Users creating Alt's to troll and break the rules. As of now, this is the only request I ask of you. This User has already been warned all too many times now, and if I do see him do any other rule-breaking, I'll ask you to give him a one week ban. Thanks in advance --Aquila2002 (talk) 19:38, August 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm actually not a member of the CheckUser team, so I don't believe I can run IP checks on users. If they're a consistent rule-breaker with no sign of stopping or changing their behavior, though, I'd say go ahead and give 'em the ban.— Ceiling  Master  00:11, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I'll talk it over with the Admins over at TES Wikia to perform one, or simply Wiki staff. Problem is, I do not have the tools to give users a ban over the Discussions (as only an Admin can perforrm a ban, whilst Moderators have deleting and editing tools, and Chat ban tools, but Chat seems to be vacant here), and it seems that the formerly addressed user [] is now toying with me, consistently breaking the spam and Adertising rules, and such. I came online this Morn' to see yet another post directed at me with more rule breaking. I'll get over to running an IP check over at TES Wikia, if you'll be so kind to give this User a weekly ban. Say...till' Sunday 27th of August should do alright. Cheers! --Aquila2002 (talk) 08:09, August 20, 2017 (UTC)
 * Will do! — Ceiling  Master  11:54, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, Ceiling Master! Seems we may have another issue with User "Explore gamer". From our last time speaking, he recieved a weekly ban for ignoring/abusing /d rules. I believe, even after his ban expired, that he created an Alt Account (Exploregamer1 - or something along the lines.). His post can be recently seen in the Discussions, and as we don't have any CheckUser rights, we'd have to take a further ban towards Wikia. So I was wondering, could you message Wikia with a request to check this users IP? And if it's the same, give him an IP ban that you see fit? Cheers! <span style:"white-space:nowrap; border:4px solid cyan; background: #ffffff; padding: 4px 4px 4px 4px; border-radius:0.5em 2em 0.5em 2em">  Aquila2002 * Talk? * Chat?
 * Yeah, sockpuppeting constitutes a permanent ban here on Zeldapedia. If I block him, it automatically blocks his IP address and any other IP that the account tries to edit from, at least on the main Wiki, so I'll perma-ban him and see if that works. If not, let me know and we'll contact Wikia for sure. — Ceiling  Master  12:51, November 5, 2017 (UTC)

Seems that around a week or two ago, he did come back with a new account (Exploregamer1), yet when I asked him if he'd like to stay on one account, he said that it would be good to suspend his other account. I asked him to contact you, but I have a feeling he didn't know how to operate the Mainspace. If you were to suspend the account "Explore gamer", and let him stay on "Exploregamer1", it should be fine. I just hope he'd matured since his last ban. Cheers! <span style:"white-space:nowrap; border:4px solid cyan; background: #ffffff; padding: 4px 4px 4px 4px; border-radius:0.5em 2em 0.5em 2em">  Aquila2002 * Talk? * Chat?

Zelda's 'sleeping time'
Well, that can be true if we see in your way. But from what I could see is... Zelda is using her power to keep Calamity Ganon from burst out and roam around the Hyrule Field like a foul boar. While Link do aged up inside the device, I do believe that Zelda didn't age up while she was inside Calamity Ganon.

But I don't think she was taking nap at all while she was inside Calamity Ganon because she had to focus on using her power to seal Calamity Ganon in until Link recovered and came to kick that giant boar's backside.

Just saiyan. FredCat 01:02, August 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, the discrepancy comes from whether we're talking about her age as in how many years she's existed, or her age as in the "age" in which her form appears, if you will. In Skyward Sword, she sleeps for untold thousands of years in a crystal (or however long that time gap is), keeping Demise at bay, and I don't see a difference here. I don't think anyone is arguing that in SS, she's thousands of years old at that point. Impa would be, certainly, because she kept watch outside of any magical interference. But Zelda &mdash; both in SS and in BotW &mdash; ends up in a state of suspension through other means, either her powers or Ganon's (either way, I would argue that it's part of the Triforce's power). So all in all, I think the general "age" parameter for her infobox, as a character specifically, should remain within the given range. — Ceiling  Master  11:40, August 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * Indeed, but I am not saying you're wrong... I am just saying that... Zelda didn't sleep at all in Breath of the Wild, just trapped inside Calamity Ganon for a century. But yes, I see your point about Zelda's "appearance" not being change after time gap of being "trapped" inside. Impa and Link didn't, so they aged up through both games. FredCat 12:44, August 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * So, is Zelda`s age considered 20 at her oldest or 117? --Zakitaro (talk) 13:42, August 31, 2017 (UTC)


 * If in result of her being in Calamity Ganon in Breath of the Wild and in Crystal in Skyward Sword, then yes, she's 20 years old at her oldest. Her body was sealed in those locations. FredCat 14:44, August 31, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's my argument. Though I'm always open to further discussion on her talk page. — Ceiling  Master  14:50, August 31, 2017 (UTC)

Hopeful Recruitment (CM and GR)
Hey there, Master. I was wondering if you perhaps happen to play ESO (Elder Scrolls Online)? I am extending an invitation to a Guild, and am wondering if you are available for recruitment. Please reply on my talk page. Cheers!

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Wikia Additions
It came to me that the Wiki needs a Weekly Moot. A meeting at a specific time in the Chat every week to decide on things we can add and change. I have a feeling that it'll only be you, me and Green Ruppee at first, but then we can get feedback from all different types of people. What do you say to this idea? If you like it, contact and tell Green Ruppee about it, and then you could reply on my talk for the most appropriate times. I know I definitely have a few requests. Cheers! (P.S, my Signature time is off. I'll have to change that. Pay no attention to it now.)

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Different Article Name
Oh dear, but at least I did a right thing for different reason. And yes, I often forgot that Breath of the Wild stuffs had "(Breath of the Wild)" after the dungeon/item/character names when linked them. And I will be sure to keep that in the mind when that pop up again. FredCat 20:11, September 18, 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Years!
I wish you a very Happy New Year! Please do check the following post and tell me what you think!

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Formatting
Hello! I am new, and I hope that I'm using the talk page correctly. I wanted to ask if you would consider changing the infobox item to add a "type" and "effect" category. In Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, items can definitely be categorized into types like fruits, monster parts, meat, ore, etc. Also, some items have effects like the "hasty" effect or the "electro" effect. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to edit the infobox in such a big way, but I think that it would be really helpful for the wiki. Thanks for hearing me out! Shelbysaurus (talk) 04:17, January 25, 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey, Shelbysaurus! Don't worry, you're doing the right thing here &mdash; thanks for asking someone rather than just mass editing hundreds of pages!


 * What I would recommend you do at this point is create a forum to ask the community their opinions on such a change. You're right in thinking that it's a pretty big change, but it's not so big that it wouldn't be possible.


 * Also, be aware that as far as I know, the actual categories of "Fruit", et al. are already on the pages, just not in the infobox. So your idea is simply adding a new field or two to the infobox itself, if I understand correctly, which doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. — Ceiling  Master  12:23, January 25, 2018 (UTC)

We already have a Use category in the infobox that can describe effects. <font color="#66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 12:31, January 25, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I added a new forum topic here called Adding a New Field to the Item Infobox. I don't understand how the talk links work--how can I share it? Also, I do not think that the "uses" field fully addresses "effects." The true use of a raw material, like a Saminoka Bass, is to eat it or cook it. Once it is cooked, it has the "enduring" effect. I believe this new field is more clear and would have better uses in this dishes section of the items as well. It can also address armor items, which can have sneaky effects while the use is to protect yourself, and weapon items, which are used for attacks but can have additional effects like fireswords that burn opponents. Also "effective against" is not really the same as "effect," because the hasty effect is not effective against slowness. It just adds fastness. Shelbysaurus (talk) 13:47, January 25, 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Is there a way to speak privately with you and/or another admin about an issue that I'm having with another editor? I don't want to air dirty laundry, but I'm new and I need perspective and guidance on an issue that's unfolding between us. Shelbysaurus (talk) 17:16, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

Issues with another user
Unfortunately, I'm having growing issues with another user. When I saw that I was accused of edit warring on the Bokoblin Guts article over a simple good faith edit, I felt really upset. I think things have started to cross a line. This is the latest part of a larger pattern where every edit I make is monitored by this user and immediately edited over--they haven't otherwise touched these articles in months or sought out immediate re-edits of other users' work on the articles. I feel really unwelcome here because of this one user, but I don't want to give up on the wiki. I don't know what the protocol is for making a complaint against another user or if there's even a way to mediate this issue. I don't feel comfortable making edits because they're just going to get changed within seconds. I've asked them to be reasonable and to stop gate-keeping. Several times I have called for us to put our differences aside and work together, but things are escalating to the point where even minor grammar edits are being given an unreasonable level of scrutiny. I just want to work on the wiki. This whole thing is really disheartening and starting to feel hopeless. My only hope is that you and/or other admins can help us find a resolution. Shelbysaurus (talk) 02:40, February 2, 2018 (UTC)
 * I've looked over the "edit war", and I think that WA can use that phrase a little too liberally. What it looks like to me is a gradual process of compromise, with the page itself ending up better than it was before. I think you're right in that there is some needless tension and antagonism, which is a shame, especially when the two of you still managed to improve the article like both of you wanted. It's important for all of us to remember that our goals are aligned in the end.


 * In regards to the "gatekeeping", I see why you feel that way, and I'm sorry if we come across like that at times. Zeldapedia used to be a thriving community with dozens of active users working together and even having fun (gasp!) on sub-pages and whatnot. Eventually, that dwindled away when users started leaving or disappearing, and now we're left with a nearly-intact site that doesn't require much more work on older pages.


 * What I'm trying to say is that the lack of activity makes it very easy for someone who patrols the recent changes (like myself or WA) to see every edit that has been made in the last few hours, since there's usually only a handful. This also makes it easy to check each edit that was made, and if WA doesn't agree with something you did, he can be pretty... dogmatic about reverting and telling you to discuss changes in the community first. So I get that it seems like he's watching your every move (and to a point he is), but it's sort of the nature of the beast right now. Scrutiny is part of how we do things, to make this site as encyclopedic as possible.


 * Regardless, I'll talk to him. I don't want you to feel disheartened about contributing here, because we appreciate everyone that comes with constructive edits, so again, I'm sorry you're having issues. — Ceiling  Master  13:37, February 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * "...and now we're left with a nearly-intact site that doesn't require much more work on older pages." - You're saying that the veterans are starting to let the old pages alone as if they are some kind of sacred relics? FredCat 14:07, February 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks again for advice on links, Fredcat! And thank you for your perspective here and for talking to WA, Ceiling Master, but I don't think things can be resolved. After reading this message and your message on his wall, I felt really hopeful that things could be deescalated. I personally felt myself letting go of my anger towards the situation and looking forward to everything being resolved. You're a really good mediator. It felt like all WA had to do was agree to take a step back, and we could move on. However, I feel like his response was a huge step forwards and back into our issues and bad dynamic with each other. Instead of taking the opportunity to let go, he just used it as a soap box to rail on me and talk about all the reasons he thinks he's so great. I know that it's not a very generous statement, nor does it give him the benefit of the doubt, but I've tried to talk with him, I've tried to ask to work together, I've tried to get you involved as an admin, and nothing is working. So I don't really feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt any more. Shelbysaurus (talk) 20:44, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

Oh we could be pretty dogmatic back in the day too. <font color="#66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 15:56, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

User Ban
Seems the user Menia09 (who doesn't seem to appear as registered on this Fandom) has been causing low-key drama on the /d, as well as breaking, ignoring and refusing to read the Guidelines when told several times to do so. There's also the hint of the user being younger of the legal minimal age (13). I propose a weekly ban to set things straight on the Discussions. Cheers! <span style:"white-space:nowrap; border:4px solid cyan; background: #ffffff; padding: 4px 4px 4px 4px; border-radius:0.5em 2em 0.5em 2em">  Aquila2002 * Talk? * Chat?

Forest Temple Conflict
I need help getting to forest temple.
 * Like... in the game? Like you're playing Ocarina of Time at the moment, and you can't access the Forest Temple? — Ceiling  Master  12:47, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

Sandboxes

 * Hi, Ceiling Master, are we non-admin users allowed to create personal sandbox pages for testing codes and whatnot? Thanks in advance. Polyhere (talk) 14:33, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in, Ceiling Master... and for Polyhere, it's highly possible to creating your own sandbox as long as it's within your user page or has your username connected to it, like for example . If Ceiling Master said that it's fine, then you can do that. Or, otherwise, it's better to be inside your user page. FredCat 16:20, March 2, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, Polyhere, you can create any page you want (not only sandboxes but test pages for a future proposal, etc.) on your user's space, meaning with URL/Hyperlink preceded by User:Polyhere/New page, without adding categories and, of course, in respect of the wiki rules. WiseAdventurer (talk) 17:52, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

Yep, anyone is allowed to make subpages. Go for it. — Ceiling  Master  18:41, March 2, 2018 (UTC)