Zeldapedia:Temple of Courage



Welcome to the Temple of Courage, where various characters from the The Legend of Zelda series battle out on a semi-weekly basis! You, the people, are the deciding factors in these matches. Functionally, all of these battles are popularity contests and not "battles" as such. For instance, in a boss vs. boss fight, we suggest that you vote for the one you like the most rather than whether or not one enemy would beat another in a legit fight. This is only a suggestion, though.

You can suggest a fight or vote or comment on others on the suggestions sub-article.

Rules

 * You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that week.
 * You may only vote once.
 * If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. This section can also be used for users who wish to stay anonymous. However, any votes put in the anonymous sections will only count as a half vote.
 * When a new fight is created (the process should take no longer than a week, give or take a couple of days), the votes from the last fight will be totaled and winner decided.
 * Please sign your vote (unless you want to be counted as an anonymous vote) with a link to your username in front of your eventual voting text.
 * Don't try to rig the votes by entering multiple votes; these pages are regularly patrolled and you WILL face consequences if you are caught.
 * Please don't use talk templates.

Week 41: Big Poe vs. Them
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Undecided" LLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! This week we have a fight of SUPERNATURAL proportions!!!
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In the left corner we have the biggest darn poe around, Big Poe. Who is it? Where did it come from? NOBODY KNOWS!!!

In the right corner we have the mysterious ghost/aliens simply known as... THEM. These mysterious creatures will come at you endlessly until the dawn destroys them. If you don't stop them in time...?

Which of these supernatural enemies will win in week 41 of the TEMPLE OF COURAGE!!!!!!!!!!!
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Votes for Big Poe

 * Wow, to say I am shocked and suprised would be an understatement... anyway, you fight Big Poe, he is a mini-boss (more or less), big poe looks pretty cool, Them (they?) are just annoying to me... apparently I am one of the few whom ahve this opinion... Dialask77 Ice Wizard  [[Image:Ice Sorceror.png|30px]] 02:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Let's go Big Poe! SOLDIER1stJ

Anonymous votes

 * 1) They have nothing on Big Poe, spinning-lantern attack pwns all.
 * 2) Big Poe is awesome! THe aliens haven't got a chance!
 * 3) Big Poe looks like something, Them don't.
 * 4) You can call Big Poe fatty. That's all. Mr.Fairy


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Votes for Them

 * 1) ok poes were awesome, key word WERE! i just simply love them who couldn't--user:collinbollin 12:32 2 April 2009
 * 2) Seriously,who would vote for a simple big poe when you can vote for Them?--user:Fierce Deity Einar 18:10 1 April 2009
 * 3) ALIENS!!!! What does a ghost have on aliens?--PoogMaster 14:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Who doesn't love aliens in a game all about magic?! It's way off from the story line, which makes it so funny!! Mrs.MikauShadLink 15:22, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) The whole concept of them is awesome. They're so freaky. They could've been called just aliens, but they're called "them." The mysterious factor is just too much for me. Beside, most Poes just annoy the heck outta me. Daydreamer3173
 * 6) Im gonna have to go for these guys because they are truly my favorite side quest. Plus, cow-thieving aliens??? They are the epitome of awesomeness. Katamariqueen 15:58, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) The eerie music, their freaky appearance, the fact that they just keep coming, all tied in with their humorous attempts to abduct the cows made this fight very memorable. Also, how can you not love something called "Them"?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  17:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Loving this suggestion. But "They" are much more eerie and mysterious... I gotta go eitht them. --EveryDayJoe45 17:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) I love this weeks. It's a tough call but I'd have to say THEM, freak me out every time I see them.Gbadude3
 * 10) I just LOVE aliens, not literally, but I am crazy about these creatures. I never encountered any of these guys, but I am sure that flying aliens that abduct ppl and wipe their minds can beat a ghost that just swings a lantern anytime! If a Big Poe flies up to a "They", then it will just float over the poe, land behind it, knock it out, abduct it, and wipe its mind or eat it!--Shade Link 19:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Not a big fan of aliens, but these guys freak me out. Seriously, when you're in that field...you've messed up and forgotten to play the Inverted Song of Time to speed up the time, your aim sucks due to a bad controller and you're running out of arrows. That is TRUE fear. Make no mistake. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 19:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) They're coming. Tonight.  The fight with these guys are way creepy and my twelve year old brother still leaves the room every time I go to fight these creepy aliens.  The music also matches the fright of it so well.  With big poes it is just a fight.  With these fellows it is a never ending series of choices.  Do you slow time down to slow them or do you keep it running normal to avoid running out of arrows.  Is that one that comes from behind almost there?  Do you go to stop him only to discover he was still far off and the others are now right next to the barn?  Just a perfectly done survival minigame.   Metroidhunter32  21:40, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) This was perhaps the most intense fight in Majora's Mask for me. They're all over the place and I hate that while there are dozens coming across the fields, there's one sneaking behind the house and then you turn around and its headlights/eyes are right on you and that useless dog is yapping and running around in fear. Big Poe on the other hand, while a cool mini-boss, is less mysterious than these things. I mean, who knows if they really are aliens, or perhaps something completely different. Portal-  Kombat
 * No, SOD the Big Poes. These guys are INTENSE - creepy as hell, require skill and finesse, and what they do to Romani if you fail is downright terrifying. I mean, the kid looks like she's been lobotomised! Truly freakier than a few ghosties with lanterns - the Poes are just annoyances, They are FREAKY. --Ryttu3k 12:50, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) love the music Oni  Dark   Link 17:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) ...they lobotomized a farm girl. They've got my vote. Don't ask me why that's a reason to vote for them, it just is. I don't know why. Sir Real
 * 3) These guys are just creepy, they scare the living day-lights outta me. Big Poes are not really all that scary, just hard to catch. Them definitely get my vote, they are one the creepiest and mysterious monsters to ever haunt the Legend of Zelda serries. User: Iriadinh, Hero of Air
 * 4) I've faced Poes before, and they honestly just swing their lantern at you. I don't know about "Them", but they seem a lot better. Especially the fact that they are aliens makes them cool. Bkarcher97
 * 5) I love Them. I can never complete the quest with Them without playing the Inverted Song of Time because They are so darn fast. Oddball464 17:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Never heard of them before, but anyone who is both a ghost and alien, has an unlimited army, and are known as only "Them" has my vote. (Twilight Zone music plays; the show). Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 7) I would vote, but this seems to be finished already—[[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 03:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Aliens. Need I say more?Solar flute
 * 9) Well acctualy i would like to vote for both but "Them" will get my vote (with a very small marginal) just because when i played LoZMM (i was about 7-9 years old) these guys totally freaked me out. I didn't do the playing back then, it was my brothers who played on the story line. Hevehoc 4:10 PM 4 april 2009 (CET)
 * 10) Reminds me of the X-Files...  exsanguination... Pianist Link  05:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Them just keep coming no matter how many times you kill them. poes can die. plus,what they do to romani disturbs me. very few things can disturb me!--Molgera the octo 00:46, 6 April 2009 (UTC)Molgera the octo

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Duh, aliens referred to as THEM? that is soo cool.. and soo mysterious
 * 2) THEM are acutally scary. Poes...less.
 * 3) Have you ever failed THEM's event? I think it's pretty evil how they abduct a helpless little farm girl. From, Midna Rocks
 * 4) Fighting THEM is harder than fighting poes because THEM is actually a challenge and you have to be shooting arrows constantly or you will fail. It's aYeylso funny to watch what happens if you do fail.
 * 5) THEM look cool.
 * 6) I like Them, they are mystery and scary :DD (THEM) The poe are losers :P i play many zelda games too phantom hourglass majoras mask and more....
 * 7) <I Don't Like the Big poe what is they suppouse to be? They are not good at all,i like more the (Them) :DD 'They are wery cool and mystery, They are also scary xD I like em!! Name: Fierce deity Manuel¤%"#"
 * 8) Aaaaaallliiiieeeeeens! THEM!


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Peanut Gallery
Ok, this is the first time that the color has been adjusted universally for a column that is too dark. I did this so that we would be able to see the words without highlighting them or whatnot. If this decision isn't supported then it can be changed. Dialask77 Ice Wizard   12:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC) So how exactly does someone when something? Katamariqueen 15:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh God them is going to win by a rape Darkest-Link123 23:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That is kinda the norm.  Metroidhunter32  23:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Also the fanboys haven't cast their 30 lots in yet so hold judgment.  Metroidhunter32  23:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Close game, eh fellas? anyways, I hope this week ends quickly, because 1. I want to see who wins after this, and 2. I am just bored, because it is not much of a fight here. Ah well.--Shade Link 20:09, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I know I voted for this, but this is exactly why I like some of the "off-color" fights like Water Temple vs. Zelda II. I mean, no matter which way it goes, at least it'll be entertaining. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 20:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I've created the most one-sided fight ever.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Or is it?...Solar flute 05:36, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes you have Xykeb, good idea though. From, Midna Rocks.

Two good things has almost certanly came from it though. One we see that a lot of people have played one of the greatest zelda games ever. Two those who haven't will be curious what it is about them that is winning such single minded devotion and go play it. So the greatness continous to spread.  Metroidhunter32  22:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

ive been surprised repeaditly since i jioned zeldapedia as to how many people believe majoras mask is better then ocerina of time (something i believe too) Oni Dark   Link 16:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm a Majora's Mask fan. My second favorite Zelda game ever. Wind Waker is my favorite. Portal- Kombat

I personally like Ocarina of Time best. So many temples, so many amazing songs (all of which I have downloaded onto my iPod. Gamefreak? Nah) and an amazing story line. Majora's Mask is a close second, then Wind Waker, and then A Link to the Past. Yay for dorks! Mrs.MikauShadLink 22:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

That poor big poe...Darkest-Link123 03:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

aaa i like majoras mask the best. so many side quests and mini games as well as some of the best dungeon (even if there was only four) Oni Dark   Link 13:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

The sidequests were what made me love Majora's Mask so much- three of the four temples were extremely difficult for me to finish (you can guess which one was easy) and the Moon Dungeon was so cool. Portal- Kombat

Great, another which game is better argument. From Midna Rocks
 * It's not an argument, as nobody is saying anything bad about the games that aren't their favorite. Sheesh, our track record is so bad, everybody always jumps to conclusions when anybody says anything about which game was their favorite.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Did somebody erase my name on my vote earlier or did I forget to sign it? From Midna Rocks

not that im one to talk but THEM certainly does create alot of bad grammer Oni Dark   Link 21:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Which leads me to wonder why Zraliv suggested it in the first place O.o of course, the article's name was "Aliens" back then. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 22:32, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Why would I not suggest it just because it leads to bad grammar?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

because xyz (no offense now) you are quite obsesive about grammer and spelling (although not as much recently i notice) Oni Dark   Link 22:36, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I only oppose bad grammar if I can do anything about it. In this case, I'm not going to let it get in the way of a fight I'm going to suggest. And no, I'm just as obsessive, I just no longer have opportunities to do anything about it. Which is actually probably a good thing, given how annoyed people tend to get.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you XYZ, but unless you created Sheik vs. Tetra (which, by my count, was 21>1.5) you don't have the most one sided fight ever. Or do you mean in proportion of votes? Sincerely, Watcher.

This is 24.5-2.5 at the moment, so "They" are winning by 22 votes, whereas Sheik won by 19.5 votes.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the grammar thing should matter (again, sticking my nose where it doesn't belong.) I mean, they are referred to as "Them" in-game, aren't they? --Daydreamer3173
 * But we don't do that with real names. I don't say "Bob are cool". Likewise, it doesn't make sense to say "Them are cool". Also, she just says "Them" because it fits. I'm sure she would have said "They" had she said something where it would fit.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  23:41, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

yeah it does but thats what confuses things Oni Dark   Link 19:04, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Ugh. I feel sorry for the Poe. Way to make the winner obvious, XYZ! Say...why's this called the peanut gallery? --Dekutulla 19:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

This is a landslide. poor big poe is gonna have to do some serious come back. --Molgera the octo 00:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)Molgera the octo


 * To late, cause the next fight is on! Sincerely, Watcher.


 * }

Week 40: Link the Pig vs. Lord Bullbo
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Lord Bullbo" 24.5 < 28 LLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! After a week of absense due to popped blood vessels, we here at Zeldapedia now proudly present the 40th WEEK IN THE TEMPLE OF COURAGE! All right! Before we begin, all you bacon lovers out there must evacuate immediatly.
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In the pink corrner, we have a baby black pig, still with his litter. Born on Outset Island, a feaster of his own kind, and even larger than the human Heavyweight Champion of the World, we have LINK THE PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG!

And in the green corner, having shed his master for one week, stands a colosal green boar. Born in parts unknown, carrier of Lord Bulblin, and better armored than Fort Knox, it's LORD BULLBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Two massive pigs shall now duke it out for the Pig Heavyweight Championship. As our contestants get ready to charge, I ask you this question: Who will win? We shall leave that up to you, dear voters. I don't wanna get gored, and hate all this waiting, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!
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Votes for Link the Pig

 * 1) I grew connected to Link the Pig throughout the game, I don't know why. Maybe it's because he's named after Link, maybe it's because he's such an unusual color, and maybe it's because he fiercely attacks you whenever you attack him. Whatever the reason, I definitely prefer him over Lord Bullbo.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) This actually took some thinking for me, but Link the Pig won in the end. Why? Maybe it had something to do with how the kids told you what happened to the other pigs... Besides, I was extremely excited when I could finally lift him up. User:Daydreamer3173
 * 3) This Fierce Pork Trooper gave me more trouble than Lord Bulbo. Who knew that a bloated sack of pork chops like this pig could instill a sense of fear and panic in you more than most REAL enemies in the Zelda series? It's probably also important to note that in it's rampage it will kill enemies simply by brushing against them. Beat that.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 4) I guess I pick Link the Pig 'cause I love pigs. They're so cute. And it can give you a piece of heart. User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 5) Tough, but I have to go with Link the Pig. I got bored once and attacked him until he went berserk...and lost over half of my full health before I got away. Lord Bulbo by himself just isn't as impressive.LapisScarab 04:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Dude, no contest. This thing hits harder than Ganondorf! --Ryttu3k 03:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) to be perectly honest i didn't know who to vote for so i just flipped a coin--Twilitlink 06:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) User:Miss-Magius - Let's be logical here, because the pigs are invinsible.
 * 9) Well, lets look at the reasons. One, he is invincible. Two, he drains more life than Ganondorf. Three, he can dig into rock, unlike bulbo, who can only smash into enemies and carry a fat orc. Four, he is the only pig to not be digested by a happy family of villagers. Five, if Lord Bulbo attacks Link the Pig, or wins this, Link the pig will get darker than he normally is, his eyes will turn red, and he will knock the lights out of Lord Bulbo until that large truck of lard falls off a cliff. Also, that homicidal pig that hates getting attacked will just sit there and when Lord Bulbo attempts to ram him,  he will just disappear into Link the pig, just like a normal wrestler getting absorbed by the belly of a sumo wrestler. Shade Link
 * 10) Lisa URAQT 18:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)It's a big, black awesome pig that digs when you spread bait on the ground. Yeah, pretty random, I know, but look what happens when you attack it! I rest my case.
 * 11) I think this guy takes the pork (pun intended). It's like Cuccos when you make it mad... except on elephant steroids.—[[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 19:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) This is the deadliest, most ferocious beast in the series. Killed within SECONDS. Don't mess with it. Mr. Armored Hog over there, while pointy, is NO MATCH for Link the freakin' pig. Seriously, even Smoochy would be afraid. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 21:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) This pig is a ferocious killer! I attacked it once and it killed me!Zeldamaniac95
 * 14) Link the Pig is just cool and whenever I look at Lord Bulbo I think of slaughterhouses.--PoogMaster 00:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) He has been named after link.  How much more awsome do you get.   Metroidhunter32  21:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) Both of them are bloody ugly, but LtP gets my vote because he does more damage than you and it takes more to get him to leave you the hell alone. -- Bek   (talk)  22:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 17) Never played this character however, being the girl that i am i will vote for whichever is cutest! Now that i've got the stereotypical cliche part out of the way, i will also add that my vote re-tied the votes. i love sudden death battles!!! Katamariqueen 22:05, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 18) He may have devourered his companions, and he may be able to kill you with a few hits, and weighs a ton, but you gotta love the big guy! Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 19) Clearly Link the Pig. He can find a Piece of Heart, and he can sap your health way faster than the King and his porky mount. Vaati ( Talk to Vaat) 01:52, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 20) This is easy to decide. Link the Pig rules! If he hits you, he deals 3 hearts of damage. Even more than Molgera!!! He also can't be defeated. He killed me two times!! Snakeboss14
 * 21) Link the Pig is hilarious, and also very terrifying. He chased me off a cliff and nearly over the roof of a house and nearly killed me before I could get in the water. He's fat and he's not afraid to throw his weight AT YOU.... and lest we forget, he's also invincible. Malion 07:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) My vote goes to the pig because this one is actually useful.. Just give it some food and it will dig up rupees and other stuff.. Bulbo is only useful in breaking fences..
 * 2) Hey, this guy gets points. He really does. Plus (to spite the peanut gallery's comments) WW trumps TP everyday of the weak!
 * 3) He is invulnerable
 * 4) He's just so cute when he's small.
 * 5) PIGS RULE!!! He digs up rupees which is very useful and awesome. It's fun to hit him a bunch of times and have him kill you.
 * 6) He's BRUTAL!!!
 * 7) Come on, he's a pig! Pigs are AWESOME! Cute when he's small, bloody powerful when he's big. Go, piggy, go!


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Votes for Lord Bullbo

 * 1) He is bigger and he is cooler.I really enjoyed fighting this guy. 10:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Feirce Deity Einar
 * 2) Hmmm, giant armored war pig with tusks versus fat pink tub of lard. Yeah, that's a hard one... Turtleman579
 * 3) He's bigger, armored, and more badass. My vote goes to Bullbo. --EveryDayJoe45 03:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I think that this guy totaly wrecks that tubby pig anytime! Plus I enjoyed jousting with him.-Bulbinslayer
 * 5) For a while I've been voting for the losing combatant, but Lord Bullbo losing to a regular pig so far that's messed up. You get the point, my votes for Bulbo. [[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Ages).gif]]Twoface13[[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Seasons).gif]]
 * 6) This is part pity vote and part that whenever Lord Bullbo appears, King Bulblin is on him. So if for some strange reason Lord Bullbo can't impale Link the Pig with his nice, big horns, King Bulblin will just hack his head off. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 20:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC) Big Poe=Nice Guy
 * 7) He's like Link the Pig, except bigger and with armor and horns.  You know he'd be more dangerous than Link the Pig had the good people at Nintendo not dumbed down TP so much.  And yes, I'm making assumptions about what you know. Sue me.  -- Moblin   Slayer (Working on it...) 22:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Huge, armored ferocious war hog vs. poorly drawn oversized pig?  sorry guys. Dialask77  Ice Wizard  [[Image:Ice Sorceror.png|30px]] 00:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) The winning factor for me was when Lord Bulbo is skewered, you get to release his innards and recieve a heart piece. Mrs.MikauShadLink 20:23, 22 March, 2009
 * 10) No contest BulboDarkest-Link123 14:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) One has horns the other is just lucky he wasn't eaten.Gbadude3sd
 * 12) not much to say really. a big pig vrs a bigger pig with armor Oni  Dark   Link 21:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) I agree with MS. I mean seriously, any boar with that armor and tusks could probably kill you! He's like a lean, fit, LtP. Sure, LtP does more damage in the game, but realistically, LtP can trample you, LB could trample and impale you. -- Angels'   Hellfire  22:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm, hard choice here, not, I mean come on, who would choose a porky little squeaker over a heavily armored boar on steroids. No, the little pig doesn't stand a chance, and it's a little insulting to have a pig named Link. User:Iriadinh, Hero of Air
 * 1) I'm voting for the pointy one with armour! Oddball464 9:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm going for King Bullbo, because he is a KING! DUH User:HYLIANSHARPSHOOT3R(: 1:49, 25 March 2009
 * 3) Sorry, but Lord Bulbo would MAUL the Three Little Pigs on the other side, just being honest. Hero of Time 87 21:32, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) no contest. end of story. DarkBeastGanon 21:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Link the pig doesn't even look like an enemy. Lord Bullblo is terrifying. Bkarcher97
 * 6) A pig versus a big blue hog of war? You people are losing your touch. Dekutulla
 * 7) As Lord Bullbo is a Lord, Link the Pig would have to bow down to him.MaloMart
 * 8) There's no contest here, I can't believe as many people voted for the clownish opposition figure as they did. ZeldaFanatic98 13:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) once again some show they can't be serious in a vote like this...tsk tsk tsk...lord bulbo would OBLITERATE wilbur over there, anyone with a pair of eyes could see that. Gerudothief 13:45, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) tough one, but though i personall like link better horns, armor, biggerness, and being able to knock link off a horse beats weighing a ton and running at link :)
 * 2) i enjoy fighting him
 * 3) Big freakin razor-tusked boar vs. chubby swine.......Bulbo wins in my book
 * 4) I loved fighting this guy because of the fact That his fights are on horse back. From, Midna Rocks
 * 5) I hate him. I ate Link the Pig more. Also, he gave me a jousting match. That made me happy.
 * 6) It's heart was a piece of heart (as stated above, unless that was just a random Bulbo).  I dunno, it just looks and seems cooler to me.  It's a "Lord'. 24.164.157.113 05:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) He has a lot more armor and has those sharp tusk things, he would definetely win.
 * 8) He's awesome. nuff' said.
 * 9) He's fat, he rides a pig, his pigs fat. That makes him instantly cool.Mr.Fairy
 * 10) I follow the strongest side, which is lord bulbo. plus, lord bulbo can send epona of the cliff and Eponas heavy


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Peanut Gallery

 * XZ, you forgot to put your signature on your vote. JSYK. --Bek The Conqueror 01:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

This fight won! Awesome! The Pigmask Army triumphs once more! Portal- Kombat

Thanks for notifying me. I usually notice when I forget to sign my votes....  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Huh....interesting how everybody predicted that this would end up being a Wind Waker vs. Twilight Princess fight, yet nobody has made any comments about the games they're from yet.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Why are both vote collumns white and the penut gallery on top?  Metroidhunter32  14:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea, I can't work with this coding stuff. This entire week has been pretty messed up....I wish AuronKaizer would come and fix this stuff.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Gonna go ahead and make a nerd reference here... It's like in Star Trek: DS9 whenever Chief O'Brien leaves the station, everything instantly goes to hell, systems-wise, because he's the only one who gets how everything works. If you didn't know I was a Trekkie before, here's your official confirmation.--Bek The Conqueror 22:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

All fixed...The color problem was caused by an unneeded quotation mark after the color name, and the Peanut Gallery problem was caused by some missing code. -- Moblin  Slayer (Working on it...) 20:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Um, Mrs.MikauShadLink, I think the one that you skewer and get a Piece of Heart from is just a regular Bullbo. Although that does raise the question of what happened to Lord Bullbo after the second King Bulblin fight....  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC) Mmmmmmmmm, Lord Bullbo. (From, Midna Rocks)

Thats why I thought it was him, because the 3rd time you fight King Bulblin, he doesn't ride his piggy. Mrs.MikauShadLink 16:00, March 23, 2009

Wow, despite the mostly link the pig dominated beginning, this is a very even fight. currently no one has the advantage. Dialask77 Ice Wizard   00:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I would laugh so hard if this ended up being the most even fight. I predict that Lord Bullbo will eventually pull ahead, though. I'm not saying that this will always happen, but this seems to be the pattern when we do Wind Waker characters vs. Twilight Princess characters: First, the Wind Waker character wins by a landslide because many of the established users (and thus the ones that generally vote before other people) like Wind Waker and its characters. Then, the middle class (the people that are recognized, but not quite to that extent) votes and evens it out until it's tied or near tied. Finally, the anonymous and newer users vote for the Twilight Princess character, which wins by about 4-7 votes.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I finally figured out a fight with a wizzrobe. It took me forever to think of, so I went a bit out of the box to figure it out. When the next fight is put up, then I will put it on the suggestions page, until then it is a secret. Dialask77 Ice Wizard   12:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

This fight is so awesome!!! Right now it's actually a perfect tie at 19! Portal- Kombat


 * When does the next fight start so it can end that way?  Metroidhunter32  21:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

To those who thought Lord Bulbo released a piece of Heart at the bulbin camp: That was not Lord Bulbo that you hack open, it is just a random bulbo. the facts are that Lord Bulbo is MUCH bigger than the roasted one, Lord Bulbo is gray haired, while the cooked one is brown haired. Also, Lord Bulbo is seen at the final fight with King Bulbin, as well as being shown in the end credits being rode by King Bulbin. User:Shade Link

Does it really matter? Wait, I take that back, because then there would be a MAJOR arguement if it actually mattered. Anyways, I'm too lazy to edit my vote. Mrs.MikauShadLink 16:12, 25 March, 2009

Just for the record shade link im pretty sure that bullbos don't have hair and the skewered bullbo is a diffrent brown than the standard bullbo (probably because it's cooked.) From, Midna Rocks

Well, Midna Rocks, Bulbos DO have hair, just to let you know. it IS a standard bulbo. well, i have nothing else to say, case closed, because i don't want an argument, and i HATE arguments, because i have been in a lot of them on youtube(the ppl i am arguing with usually just freak out for no reason, not saying you do) User:Shade Link

Way close fight but at this point I think the hairy guy with the horns is gonna win.  Metroidhunter32  22:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I know what you mean, Shade Link. YouTubers are crazy. This one person kept saying I couldn't get a boyfriend because I like fictional characters, then he starts swearing at me after I made a witty comeback. It was quite funny, actually... Mrs.MikauShadLink 16:13, 26 March, 2009
 * Hey, anyone who can settle for the crappy video quality on YouTube has to be crazy anyway. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 00:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

So technically all youtube videos are YouTube Poops. This fight was SO close... but, the Twilight Princess character will probably, huh.. awesome fight no matter what. Portal- Kombat

Personally, I think it's strange that a big, fat pig is almost even with a gigantic, lean, blue war hog of destruction. sincerely, Dekutulla
 * How is it strange? While Lord Bullbo is indeed a very powerful war hog, Link the Pig is brutal and can attack you with an incredible intensity. If you attack him, you're doomed; unless you go into a house or the water, there's no way to escape death when Link the Pig attacks you.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:04, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I think one of the best parts of Twilight Princess (along with a very promising first dungeon) was the first "Battle on the Bridge" and I think that they could've done even more with horse battle segments. They were so much fun... sometimes I wish the twilight portals didn't exist so that you had a reason to ride the horse. Portal- Kombat

Im glad they put them there, even though I almost never use them. I use the horse more often, but still theres people who hate riding the horse so they can just use the portals, its Nintendos way of saying "Sorry we bored you to tears with sailing"Darkest-Link123 23:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, I need help. For some reason the site won't let me create an account at the time. What should I do?????????? Mr.Fairy

mr fairy, just find a way such as age? maybe if you say you are born like me, 1991, try that, then you might get in--Shade Link 13:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

While agree that (although I forgot)(Yeah right) link the pig can kill you very quikly, I just want to say that there is one more place you can survive from. If you attack him from the pen, stand on the fence and you will not be harmed. However, if you do it at night, if will look extremely freaky. Dekutulla

Ugh, it's so annoying when people are like "I can't believe people are voting for the idiotic cartoon pig over there". I mean, Link the Pig is obviously popular....why do people have to insult the people that like him?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  18:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean Shadelink?Mr.Fairy

Hey XYZ, You are correct because people shouldn't insult other people on a public website.Mr.Fairy

Mr. Fairy, based on your vote, you seem to be voting for King Bulblin....but we're talking about Lord Bullbo, his mount. It just so happens that Lord Bullbo is never seen without King Bulblin, so we there are no images of Lord Bullbo without King Bulblin and as such the image can be somewhat misleading.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  09:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Fairy, what i am saying is, how old are you? maybe that is why, i see ppl that are not old enough, so just say you are as old as me, which just say 2001--Shade Link 13:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

oops i said 2001, i meant 1991. i really get confused with dates--Shade Link 19:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I apologize if my statements rubbed some of you *coughXYZcough* the wrong way. It just seemed so strange. By the way, why is everyone under the false impression that Link the Pig ate his fellow porkers? It was the pigs owner! At least that's how it looks... Dekutulla

Back when I played through Wind Waker the first time my friends and I thought that the biggest pig had eaten the other two. It wasn't until I talked to some of the villagers before I got the third pearl that I found out that Abe's family ate the pigs. The worst part is that the mother says something like "The monsters got the pigs" or something like that 0_0 Portal-  Kombat

Shouldn't this fight be over? A week's gone by...Dekutulla


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Week 39: Big Octo vs. Gyorg Pair
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In the light blue corner, we have an enourmous, multi-eyed monstrousity! Hailing from the Great Sea, this titan enjoys seagulls and randomly attacking ships that venture into his whirlpool, and hates bombs and boomerangs; Ladies and gentlemen: BIG OCTOOOOOOOOOO!

And in the dark blue corner, you will see not only one, but two giant manta ray things who have tonight blessed us with their presence! Coming all the way from the lofty heights of the Palace of Winds, this deadly duo enjoy each other and their energy blasts, and despise Link and his sword, it's the GYORG PAAAAAAAAAAAAIR!

So, we have two (three, whatever, leave me alone!) giant, multi-eyed fish creatures who are out for blood. And you can bet that our special pool will be filled with that by fights end! Whose blood will it be? It's up to you, the voters! I'm about to pop some of my veins, so LLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!


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Votes for Big Octo

 * 1) I like calamari--Twilitlink 22:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) You don't release the "Lame Stingrays with an Uninspired Name", you RELEASE THE KRAAAAAAKEN!!!  Portal-  Kombat
 * 3) Big Octo, along with Iron Knuckles, ReDeads, and Gomess, is one of those things that simply terrified me as a kid. Not realizing the thing with the seagulls, I ran into one of these things accidentally on my first playthrough of Wind Waker and as a result I spent half of the game paranoid about running into another one when I wasn't prepared to do so. Basically, I vote for anything that terrifies me.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I hate it but its awesome anyway.--PoogMaster 01:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Simple: Even the weakest member of their species (the four-eyed one at Two-Eye Reef) Has enough power to hold a Great Fairy captive. Plus, it's really, really big. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 6) What can I say, fighting these guys is hard and nerve-wracking. Besides, anything that includes squishing eyeballs will always win. And stingrays killed my beloved Steve Irwin. Screw you, Gyorg Pair! -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 03:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) These things freaked me out. Took me forever to figure out how to beat them...—[[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 11:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) While I would like to come up with a better reason than this I have to admit, I've never heard the "Gyorg Pair". Gbadude3sd
 * 9) Big Octo always scared the crud outta me. last time I ran into one when I did not have boomerang, or anything else that could work on them, I freaked out. the gyorg pair is just an embarrassment to the gyorg species. I mean, who would NOT vote for a large 4, 8, or 12 eyed squid that can corrupt seagulls into flying around them, create a whirlpool, and is bent on devouring you whole and blasting you out to the other side of the ocean? User:Shade Link(aka...a new member to come)
 * 10) Big Octo would probably defeat the other one, mainly because it can make you go VERY far if it sucks you up.. --User:Knigt413
 * 11) What can I say... I loved killing these things by both methods, and I hate everything to do with the duplication mechanic in Minish Cap. Explains why I hate the final boss so much... Bek The Conqueror 23:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) This is an easy one. I've never played Minish cap, so I've never seen the Gyorg pair. BUT, when I first got Wind Waker and stumbled across a Big Octo it scared me so much. Besides, they're kinda sorta hard to kill. So, Big Octo for the win! Daydreamer3173
 * 13) Big Octos require either bombs or boomerangs to kill them. With the Gyorg pair, you can just hack them with your sword.Bkarcher97
 * 14) I really hate to say this, but i vote for big octo. the gyorgs were cool, but, well, how can you not vote for a giant, multi eyed kraken??? User:Dekutulla
 * 15) I still remember the first time I saw a Big Octo. It was at night and under Ganondorf's curse. Suddenly, a seagull, oh! another seagull. What? Another? --Big Octo fight theme plays-- It's, it's, it's the KRAKEN!!! Seriously, this guy swallows the Gyorg pair by just opening its mouth. Also, the twelve eyed Big Octo swallowed me two times before I beat it. Snakeboss14 20:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) I haven't played the minish cap yet but big octos are fun to kill, they have gigantic eyes, and they look cooler than the gyorg pair.
 * 2) I dunno about The Wind Waker Big Octo as I have never played it but the Big Octo from OoT and MM is classic. That and Big Octo has appeared in 3 games whilst the Gyorg Pair has appeared in one (granted Gyorg has appeared in more but not the pair). What does that tell ya?.
 * 3) When I played the Wind Waker when I was 6 it was the scariest thing I saw in a video game, the music still creeps me out.
 * 4) I'm gonna have to go with the Big Octo. It made me afraid of seagulls (in game of course) when I was younger.


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Votes for Gyorg Pair

 * 1) Gyorg flies and is a sting-ray...sting-rays are cool... Dialask77  Ice Wizard  [[Image:Ice Sorceror.png|30px]] 23:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) big octo wouldnt be able to touch the groyg pair while they fly over raining fire balls and baby fish things. Oni  Dark   Link 10:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) im only voting for these guys because they are trailing so badly. maybe if they win i can take them home, put them in a little tank with a cliche sunken ship and feed them fishy flakes. they're so cute! Katamariqueen 16:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Does Big octo have cool panels that let you split yourself? No, it doesn't. [[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Ages).gif]]Twoface13[[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Seasons).gif]]
 * 5) Nobody ever votes for the 2-D games. Anyways, Gyorg Pair were just more fun to fight. Big Octo was too easy. Mrs.MikauShadLink 21:45, 17 March, 2009

Anonymous votes

 * 1) These guys are the bosses of the temple with one of the coolest Zelda Items ever.. The Roc's cape!! I loved this boss since you were so high up in the sky Link would die by falling down.. That would be cool to do once..
 * 2) gyorg pair will kick some calamari ass
 * 3) they were much more difficult than that weak ass big octoroc


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Peanut Gallery
To the second anonymous voter for Big Octo, the Bigoctos from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are completely different creatures and as such are not considered the same thing.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The easiest way to take down Big Octos is using the Boomerang. In fact, pretty much everything in Wind Waker will die easily if you hit it with the Boomerang before attacking with your sword. Portal- Kombat

I guess no one else like gyorg pair... can people please say affirmative for carock vs aghanim, I really need to get my (sort of) wizzrobe fight out of my system. Hey people should vote gyorg cause I put up the box in the first place!!...just kidding, vote what you think is best Dialask77 Ice Wizard   02:18, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you seriously have to include the "enjoy each other" paragraph? I just got some weird imagery in my head...if this leads to a homicidal freakout, you're paying the bills. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 05:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I shouldn't have done that. Still, I couldn't think of anything better at the time. Sincerely, Watcher


 * Does anyone visit my page to see my userboxes and reply make selections on my polls? I only have one person who has voted so far... <font color="66FFFF">Dialask77  Ice Wizard  [[Image:Ice Sorceror.png|30px]] 12:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

same here although id be the first to admit that my user page is rubish although i have recently started making a sub user page featuring my evaluation of the zelda series which should be quite interesting when finished. <font color="66FFFF">Oni Dark   Link 12:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow...I must have been gone for a while...this won in the suggestions?!? Last time I checked it was losing by 3 or 4 votes...-- Moblin  Slayer (Working on it...) 15:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Bombers vs. Killer Bees got two last-minute opposes and this got two last-minute supports.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  17:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

your going to need a very big fish tank, Katamariqueen. <font color="66FFFF">Oni Dark   Link 17:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

as far as i know in wind waker (i presume its wind waker due to the seagull comment) the restircted sailing until you complete forest haven quest stops you from entering any squares with a big octo so im a bit confused shade link as to how you can fight one with out a boom a rang <font color="66FFFF">Oni Dark   Link 21:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I just realized something: while your path is still restricted and you have to pass from Dragon Roost Island to Forest Haven, the first island you pass by is Fire Mountain! There's actually a Big Octo on that square 0_0 what could possibly happen if it ate you, maybe it would spit you out in one of the beta test rooms (that'd be my wish, anyway!) Portal-  Kombat

I have been swallowed and spit out many a time by that octo at Fire Mountain without any projectiles. It just blocks you from any islands you haven't passed by. Windfall to Dragon Roost to Forest Haven are all fine because you've been through those islands before. After Forest Haven temple, you can go wherever. Mrs.MikauShadLink 21:40, 17 March, 2009

o yeah i forgot about the fire mountain one <font color="66FFFF">Oni Dark   Link 09:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The easiest way to kill a big octo is to use bombs or light arrows, bombs because it takes 1 or 2 hits to destroy an eye, and light arrow because it takes one hit to destroy an eye, plus, light arrow pierces through stuff it hits, so if there is an eye on the other side, it will destroy that eye.Shade Link

Actually, bombs are much harder to use, since they're very hard to aim properly. Light Arrows are effective, but they take up a lot of magic power and you don't get them until late in the game when you've probably already defeated most or all of the Big Octos. They're also somewhat hard to aim. So I personally think that the boomerang is the easiest way to kill a Big Octo, since it's very easy to aim, despite not being as powerful as bombs or arrows.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  20:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Geting eaten by the fire mountain octo on your way to the forest haven doesnt do anything that doesnt usualy hapen (You lose 1/4 energy and get spit to a random area near the mountain.)

I find the regular arrows easiest because you can lock onto the eye, shoot twice fast, then move on to the next eye. Mrs.MikauShadLink 15:56, 18 March, 2009

well yeah maybe the boomerang will work. but I am a great archer and I have a lot of magic, elixer soup, a lot of bombs, and a lot of arrows, so the light arrows work for me. Last time I killed a Big Octo, I only used Light arrows.Shade Link

That is, last time I killed one when I had Light Arrows (on second quest, but I am not gonna complete it just yet, but maybe recomplete the other second quest files I have)Shade Link

Even though every thing so far is a good way to beat the Big Octo, the Boomerang is the most efficent way to kill one. After all, it's easy to aim, it can hit up to 5 eyes at once, and can take less time then just trying to aim at an eye with a bomb or arrow. Forget power; it's all about efficiency, baby. Sincerely, Watcher

That all depends on how much of an item you have and how good you are with it, I constantly have soup and blue potions, a double magic bar, and 99 arrows so I can just fire aim lessly and kill an 8-eyed octo in about 25 seconds, the boomerang takes longer because you must wait for your ship to circle aroud to present more targets. From Midna Rocks. (Thanks for the idea Watcher, I've been coming here for a while and I think it's time I give myself SOME identification. My parents won't let me make an account either.)

You're welcome. It's nice to know that I've been able to help another faceless user get along in this community. Sincerely, Watcher

You can kill a big octo with less than 30 arrows, it doesn't matter about aiming, you can lock on to the eyes. MikauShadLink 22:37, 19 March, 2009

People can use whatever strategy they find the easiest. Let's just leave it at that.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty suprised about the results of this fight so far. I was expecting Big octo to lose because gyorg pair flies, and there are two of them in one fight. <font color="66FFFF">Dialask77 Ice Wizard   19:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Why would those facts make a difference?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:01, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Don'know. Guess it would appear to make them awesome... Oh well, NEXT FIGHT! Sincerely, Watcher. P.S.: I forgot to log on just now, but this is me. Don't say otherwise.


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