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Week 30: Fierce Deity Link vs. Dark Link
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 * style="width: 100%; background: #DDDDDD; padding: 5px" colspan="6"| Attention everybody, attention! We are now proud to present Week 30 of the Temple of Courage on Zeldapedia! And this week, we've got a real winner for you. Our combatants are the same person!!! Well, Sort of.
 * style="width: 100%; background: #DDDDDD; padding: 5px" colspan="6"| Attention everybody, attention! We are now proud to present Week 30 of the Temple of Courage on Zeldapedia! And this week, we've got a real winner for you. Our combatants are the same person!!! Well, Sort of.

In the white, we have the regular Link's evil counterpart! A man of unknown origins, he's everything the Hero of Time isn't, but everything he is at the same time, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK LIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!!!

And in the dark blue corner, we have what could possibly be the most powerful mask ever. Trapped in a mask for many years, he exerts his influence over any one who wears it, and gives the wearer enough power to defeat Majora, FIERCE, DEITY, LIIIIIIIIIIINK!

So, we have Link's two darker sides going el hombre al hombre against each other. Who will come out on top? That's up to you voters. The suspense is killing me, so LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETS GET READY TO RUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! YEAH!
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Votes for Fierce Deity Link

 * 1) This was a tough decision for me. Don't get me wrong i love dark link. but he appears in various games, and how often do you see fierce deity? And fierce diety is like eight feet tall, shoots magic out of his 5 foot long sword, and he has silver hair. yeah. h0lydiv3r420
 * 2) extremly hard because i love both these charicters so much (even look at my name!) but i think looking at the pictures i just had to chose fierce deity link because thats not a proper picture of dark link. i wanted to go for dark link aswell though because not as many people voted for him.... its just too hard to choose. i suppose fierce deity link isnt in as many games so maybe this might encourge another apperance some way. Oni Dark Link
 * 3) Puh-lease.  He's a Deity!  That's a God.  Dark Link is, what? a living shadow?  He took five seconds to beat in OoT.  Besides, the giant sword and cooler outfit.  ZehnWaters
 * 4) He is awsome he has some cool sword=]
 * 5) Erm... well, Fierce Deity Link can beat all three forms of the Majora's Mask in less than a minute, normal Link can defeat Dark Link in less than a minute..... so based off of that Fierce Deity Link>Dark Link. Not to mention, Fierce Deity is like 8 feet tall, looks amazing, and has a gigantic double helix sword as big as he is that shoots energy beams. Long range for the win? Triforce 14
 * 6) I don't know if I'm biased because I love Majora's Mask so much (the game, not the mask itself), but for whatever reason, I'm going with this guy. Dark Link is awesome, but Fierce Deity Link is more awesome.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:12, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) There's a reason Fierce Deity is reserved for boss battles alone.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 8) Umm...Ya what's the word I'm looking for Deity!--Power courage wisdom and time 01:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) there are too many reasons for FDL being the better.... --Link4midna 09:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) Fierce Deity Link is a god! His sword is awesome, plus he easily beats Majora's Mask. Dark Link is killed by normal Link, and he isn't even a final boss. ~ Polaris000
 * 11) Dark Link is cool, but Fierce Deity is just... epically epic. Bek The Conqueror 23:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) way too powerful too lose. Solar flute
 * 13) Fierce gets my vote cause the design is more detailed, more interesting than just plain black Behellmorph 12:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) He's the only dude who can actually stand a chance against Majora, so he gets my vote and dark link can't even defeat Normal Link. User:King Boo
 * 15) I look at it this way: Link beat Dark Link. So wouldn't it make sense that a more powerful form of Link would still beat Dark Link?  And in order to avoid those 50+ people who say "Your supposed to say which one you like better, not which one would win in a fight," I decide which one I would like better by deciding who should theoretically win in a fight between the two. -- Moblin   Slayer  20:02, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) HE IS A DIETY, and his sword is AWESOME!!! Plus, it can shoot sword beams! Can Dark Link? I DIDN'T THINK SO.
 * 2) As much as I love Dark Link, Fierce Deity would slaughter him. His sword shoots magic beams and he is about eight feet tall.
 * 3) Fierce Diety Link is way more muscular and could easily kill Dark Link.
 * 4) He's just awesome. That's all that's to it. Dark Link is powerful and all, but I think an 8 foot tall Deity would win in a fight.
 * 5) he can kill a extremely powerful life fourm with like 20 hits more than dark link could ever do.
 * 6) He's like as tall as a door and has a huge double helix sword hes also awsome so is dark link but dark link isnt a deity he's just links shadow
 * 7) Sorry ya'll love em both but oni (demon) link pones dark link end of story, would be fun to watch though
 * 8) Well, you have to rember that Dark Link is just Link's opposite, while Fierce Deity Link is a frickin' god! Plus, he's bigger, he's cooler looking, and he beat Majora in a matter of minutes. He's clearly better. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 9) Think of it like this, if Fierce Diety Link is what Majora (the totally evil Goddess of frickin awesomeness) thinks is a "bad guy", then he's pretty tough!
 * 10) Dark link is a palette swap of Link. Fierce Deity Link is a GOD
 * 11) Fierce Deity is a designers way of saying: 'thank you for playing my game, now I place gods powers in you'.
 * 12) If you use your Biggoron Sword on Dark Link you can beat him too easily. Just keep stabbing. I bet you wont beat Fierce Deity so easily now would you? Besides, Dark Link is only a minion not a playable character.
 * 13) Fierce Deity Link hands down. I didn't care that much about how Majora was practically a pushover when you used him. He just looked like a god in human form should look.
 * 14) The Fierce Deity should, in any real battle, slaughter Dark Link. Dark Link is Link's mirror image: in appearance, power, and skill. Whereas the Fierce Deity is, well, a God, and is at least as powerful as Majora, and much stronger than Link, in any form.
 * 15) He's just REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY Awesome.
 * 16) Fierce Deity can easily defeat a FINAL boss, while dark Link is a MINI boss(unless we're counting Zelda II Dark Link as well as OoT). Besides, Deity is a good guy, and good always triumphs over evil.


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Votes for Dark Link

 * 1) I have to say Dark Link beause I have incounter him in Ocarina, but I don't have that mask of the Fierce Deity Link. (I think that's how it's spelled) User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 2) To be politically correct, I vote for the black one. Dark Link also gets my vote because he's a very random, mysterious bastard, and people who claim that he is easy to beat are either liars, cheaters, or so good at gaming they should receive instant assisted suicice. Dark Link owns Diet Coke Link any day of the week, and you know so well that I'm not just sayin'...I'm just sayin'. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 19:21, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Fierce deity mask may be pretty hard to get, but it makes Majora too easy, besides, Dark Link is scary, fierce deity is just weird looking, lol. Raz 06:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Fierce deity was once a living being, but isn't anymore. Everything it wants could be destroyed, but it has no power to prevent it without link.  Dark link can achieve his goals...usually because his goals involve destroying whatever disturbs it. Dialask77 14:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) ummmmm.......... HILL JUST COPY HIM! ANYTHING HE CAN DO DARKLINK CAN DO! U SAY NO? LINK TO THE PAST GBA! User:Darklink1026
 * 6) Dark link can actually train and prepare for battle. Fierce deity is cramped inside of a mask with nothing. Plus Dark links Oot arena is AWESOME! Peakprovince 19:00, 14 January 2009
 * 7) He's made of shadow and is pitch black with red eyes. Appearance decides his. - Leo Lab  23:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) This is a really tough one, but I choose Darky because A: He's the underdog and B: He has mad sword skills. Who else can jump on Link's sword!? Oddball464 20:56, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Dark Link FTW!!!! Wooo! XD Xicera

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Dark Link is a reverse Link is a reverse Link, and Fierce Deity Link is just Link wearing a goofy mask.
 * 2) Im going to vote for the under dog because the Fierce Deity is just an easy way to beat Majora. I like to kill bosses the way they were ment to be killed.
 * 3) dark link...
 * 4) Even though I like them both, I vote for Dark Link. Not only has he appeared in more games, he is the shadow of the Hero of Time, meaning he should have all of Link's moves, but he's also not confined to a mask. Seriously, the Fierce Deity is only available because of his mask, without it he's nothing. While Dark Link isn't bound by that same limitation.
 * 5) Without any magic power, Fierce Deity is just about useless. Dark Link copies his nemesis' form, perfects it and finds new ways to kill the Hero of Time.


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Peanut Gallery
Sigh...all the inevitable faulty spellings of Deity might be the death of me... -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 18:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Great... I just cant decide who to vote for...

I saw this typo storm coming the second this fight was announced. Portal- Kombat

Hey guys, I just need to know, what did I do to mess everything up? Sincerely, Watcher.

Wow, Solar Flute wasn't kidding about leaving the temple, I thought he'd be back in a few weeks.

My, this seems to be very controversial. Most everyone likes both of them... Dialask77 02:57, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

This is a good fight and the best I've seen so far. It's so strange- two of the most powerful characters in the Zelda universe have little to no explanation to how they originated. The fight against Dark Link in the Water Temple was completely unexplainable. Was it a hallucination? Or maybe something more? As for Fierce Deity, he's kind of... out there. Portal- Kombat
 * Thank you very much, but what's with user-vote number four for Fierce Deity? It should either be taken down or labeled with the user's name. No conflict of interest here, because I actually voted for Fierce Deity as well. Bek The Conqueror 03:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * emm mr Polaris000 you need to brush up on your zelda. dark link is a final boss. quite a hard one since most final bosses are quite easy.Oni Dark Link
 * Polaris000 was probably referring to Dark Link's appearance as a miniboss in Ocarina of Time, but like you said, he's also the final boss of Zelda 2 as well. Portal-  Kombat

What's wrong wih the numbering? - Leo Lab  23:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm back. I would of returned sooner but I got distracted by my new wii. Now I can be helpful(ish) for wind waker and twilight princess pages. Solar flute

I agree with Leo Leab. Someone severely screwed with the numbering system. We gotta fix that. Sincerely, Watcher.

Whoa, how are we supposed to fix that? For that matter, how did it happen in the first place?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, my guess is that it's a glitch in the system. I checked back nearly 500 edits (back when Arrghus vs. Barrinade was still young), and it was still all messed up. I also checked the voting section, and everythinglooks normal. I don't know what exactly is going on. Sincerely, Watcher.

I'm not entirely sure what we can do to fix this, but AuronKaizer will probably tell us to ask Richard1990.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  04:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Correction for Polaris000, Dark Link is a final boss in Zelda II. Oddball464 20:59, 14 January (UTC)
 * Is this where I quote you and ask "was that really necessary", XZ? :P -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 12:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Maybe this is part of dark links black magic, or the fierce deity's godly powers? We should either fix it or do something completely proposterous...number it by hand! People keep saying dark link is just a dark colored version of link, when he is (in ocarina of time) rather shiny, if I recall correctly. Dialask77 13:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Now you're just being picky for the heck of it :P as for the error, it's probably an error in the Wikia programming, I've heard reports of the same problem from other wikis. Let's wait a while before we try what Dialask suggested. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 13:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

It may not be necessary, but I fail to see how it was unnecessary. It's not like I'm saying anything offensive or anything. All I said was that you'd probably tell us to ask Richard1990. Are you somehow offended by people talking about your recurring reccomendations?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  23:40, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not particularly, but I guess the only normal reason I could think of why people would want to say something like that is to make fun of someone. I sure wouldn't say something like that as it could easily be taken the wrong way. But I know you, and you say random things like that for God knows what reason. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 23:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Riiight, because you never say things that are often taken the wrong way :P (I put that thing at the end of the sentence, so there's no way you could possibly take offense, right?)  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

dear god why do you dislike each other so much??? Oni Dark Link

Wait what's wrong with the numbering? — Triforce   14 ( ... ) 21:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

We don't necessarily "dislike" each other per se, we just have personality conflicts.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  23:59, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Really, neither of them will win because Dark Link will just copy everything that the Deity Link does. Twoface13


 * Dark Link can only copy regular Link's moves, and even then he can only replicate the sword and shield, not any other items (imagine Din's Fire >_<) Portal-  Kombat

Unless it turns out that dark link is more of a magic entity than an actual one. I think that dark link is more of a...spell of sorts. One that summons a creature that is the complete opposite of whatever it is summoned against. That, and you forget that Fierce Deity can't use items so he COULD copy his every technique...(theoretically):P Dialask77 05:21, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I know very well that Fierce Deity Link can't use items, but he's powerful enough without them. Believe me, I've tried to make him use items, but unlike all of Link's other transformations he won't even take out an instrument when I use the Ocarina. Either way, Dark Link being a spell is completely theoretical. And even if I was to agree that Dark Link was a spell and turned into Dark Fierce Deity Link, normal Link defeated Dark Link (you can do it without Din's Fire, it's just very hard) so there's no reason Fierce Deity Link couldn't defeat his own clone. Portal- Kombat

True, but he would give him a fun time if he copied him lol. Dialask77 15:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm all for speculation, anyways. That's part of the problem for me with Fierce Deity Link. As awesome as he is... well, he's too overpowered and for me he took all the fun out of the final boss battle of Majora's Mask. It's much cooler to do with Deku/Zora/Human forms. Portal- Kombat

i was board so i looked up the exact meaning of deity on wikipedia and found out that its not a god but can do nearly everything a god can... not really relevent but just thought id stick it in. Oni Dark Link
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Week 29: The Group vs. Tetra's Pirates
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size=5>Winner! "The Group!" 22>13
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 * style="width: 100%; background: #DDDDDD; padding: 5px" colspan="6"| LLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN, Zeldapedia once again brings to you another ECW Extreme Rules bout. If you have not already visited the concession stand, we strongly suggest (*points raygun at you*) that you do so now! Because the calories you do not ingest today may haunt you in the morrow! ...Alright!
 * style="width: 100%; background: #DDDDDD; padding: 5px" colspan="6"| LLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN, Zeldapedia once again brings to you another ECW Extreme Rules bout. If you have not already visited the concession stand, we strongly suggest (*points raygun at you*) that you do so now! Because the calories you do not ingest today may haunt you in the morrow! ...Alright!

In the golden-tinted corner, we have a collection of misfits that would make Charlie Manson's family look like the Camdens! Geeks, substance abusers and senile old men abound! Unofficial rogue assistants to the Royal Family that may blast you to bits with a bazooka if you don't think twice! THIS...IS...THE GROUP!

In the blue corner, we have the most fearsome group of pirates ever to sail the Great Sea! Led by Tetra, these buccaneers frequently display workings of piracy that would make ThePirateBay.org crap their drawers! And our survey says...THEY ARE TETRA AND HER HOST OF DEADLY, DEADLY NINJA(Citation not needed) PIRATES!!!!

And now, feast your eyes upon a GORE SPECTACLE BEYOND YOUR WILDEST DREAMS! PIRATES VS. VIGILANTES! THE REBELS VS. THE ESTABLISHMENT! A BATTLE TO END ALL BATTLES! AND here...we...GO!

(Why so serious?)
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Votes for The Group
--Link4midna 19:03, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) The Group's members all have something to do with the storyline and they were all given more of a personality than most of Tetra's pirates. Tough choice though... LapisScarab 19:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) I'd say that the people whose version of helping Link includes shooting enemies with bazookas beat the idiots who think helping Link entails shooting him out of a cannon and getting him to lose his sword any day. Plus, it's easier to take them seriously than people like, say... Niko... Bek The Conqueror 21:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) I'll vote for the guys that actually help you (LOLO substance abusers? I only remember one). - Leo  Lab  00:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I gonna give my vote to these guys. Who wouldn't vote for a crazy scholar, a ninja, an old man, a guy with a golden cucoo, and a lady whose breasts can actually attack you? Blitz2121 02:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) I don't know why I just like these guys better.  Metroidhunter32  14:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) they are more interesting! User:Stardude613
 * 7) The group have more depth than the pirates, and they don't make you swing around the cargo hold of a ship. Raz 21:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Interesting, but I haven't played WW for a while and STILL remember how frustrating that cargo hold thing was.  That and the group is drawn better and they have a cool cat. Dialask77 14:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) Besides looking a whole lot cooler (and decidedly less...uh..."effeminate") they seem a whole lot more competent.  ZehnWaters 14:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) Tetra's Pirates are used more as comic relief while The Group has a good amount of storyline significance (Although I think Link could have killed those enemies on his own nearby the end...) OiXerxes 04:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) More diverse and better weapons. OddGoron
 * 12) Shad was part of a fatal glitch. The pirates weren't. On top of that, you can take them seriously. Auru and his bazooka for example... Vallunge 21:44, 7 January 2009
 * 13) Most of the pirates are little kids. My vote goes to the Group. Oddball464 20:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) The Group is WAY more cooler and has WAY more story value. Also, The Group's members actually go to places to investigate the evil growing there, while the Pirates simply go to places to get treasure. PhantomGanonUsurper27 15:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) the group are nicer and easier to get on with....

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Ignoring my being a fan of the Pirates, lets look at this logically. Tetra's Pirates can barely fight, or even think for themselves! They had never been in a fight before, but The Group is full of skilled fighters, a nerd, and one strange bartender, with some experience in war. They seem much smarter and much more coordinated then Tetra's Pirates. So, Telma > Tetra
 * 2) Tetra is to small to be a leader and Niko is annoying!
 * 3) Well, you have to admit that the Group helped out Link a lot more than Tetras Pirates did. After all, these guys got him into Aribitars Grounds, Snowpeak, the City in the Sky, the Temple of Time, and saved his butt when all those monsters ganged up on him. You also have to remember that Telma helped save Ralis and her cat got him into Hyrule Castle. The Pirates, by comparison, started his quest (at the cost of his sister), got him into the Forsaken Fortress (at the cost of his sword), and helped save Aryul (no real cost there, but they kinda ditched him...). In my eyes, the Group owns the Pirates any day! Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 4) Tetra is to short and to spunky to work well in a group the just works better.
 * 5) Nicko can't do anything and is useless.
 * 6) The others are useless too!
 * 7) The don't look like they could take The Group!
 * 8) Sure they have more people, but are not as well rounded as The Group.
 * 9) The Group are rebels and must be very brave to rebel against Hyrule's new monarch, King Zant. Did the pirates ever do anything that important? Plus, half of the pirates look like they don't now what they're doing. And the Group is WAY cooler. Who needs pirates???
 * 10) well, what reasons do you need??
 * 11) The pirates look like tards and the group look awesome so work it out for yourself.....
 * 12) Not only are the pirates good for nothing idiots who really dont help you much but they also look retarded. plus the group is cool and secret and of coarse they have a Bazooka! exept shad is kindof an idiot but they are still cool.
 * 13) Even though the pirates are mad enough to face up to a ferocios roc they were busy getting drunk on WindFall while you did all the work. The Group on the other hand were the guys who made you feel you wern't alone against the king of evil, always helping you out when you needed it. Rusl is after all your friend and mentor and the guy who taught you how to fight. Considering the bosooka, the hawk and years of experince I would vote for them.


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Votes for Tetra's Pirates

 * 1) Let me break this down through the wonderful mechanics of Pythogoran math; Pirates > everything else. The Group = Everything else. There just is no chance that these sorry excuses for exposition should be able to beat a pirate, much less a whole host of pirates. They may be worse at piracy than Guybrush Threepwood even, but having to be a good pirate is not a prerequisite. The Group should just go back to their hideout before the pirates blast a hole in their solar plexi. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 07:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Tetra's Pirates all the way. User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 3) The only cool one in "The Group" is the old guy with the bazooka! The Group did have one awesome cutscene but Tetra and the Pirates are some of my favorite characters in the series- behind Linebeck.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 4) Well, considering they have a boat, they could easily just get in it and bombard The Group until nothing remains but... well you get the point. Plus they're pirates, need I say more? Triforce 14 18:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) I love every member of Tetra's Pirates individually, as well as the group as a whole. The only part of The Group that I feel any sort of connection to is Shad, and that's only because he's a geek, like me.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) pirates > rebels, basic math--Power courage wisdom and time 21:24, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) At least you can label Tetra's pirates (they're all pirates.) You know something isn't right when the bet name you can think of is "The Group." -- Moblin   Slayer  03:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) King yoshi42 Bazooka vs. Cannon. Cannon wins. Especially if cannon is really Link in a barrel.
 * 9) Tetra's Pirates by far.--Windu223 17:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Tetra's pirates look so much cooler. Besides, they give you a hard time getting the bombs. I really hated it to swing from torch to torch in te set time..
 * 2) Tetra was awesome in WW. Her pirates even had sweet canons to shoot people with. The group only had one good point, the final dungeon where they got you the big key. WW>TP.
 * 3) Tetras pirates and the group are both in games that I have so it's a tricky decision but I will go with the pirates because they are in the Wind Waker ( A game I have finished almost two times) And with the pirates you do three things and with the group you only do one.
 * 4) Tetra and her pirates are way better so they are going to win.
 * 5) TETRA'S PIRATES ARE PART OF THE ROYAL FAMILY!!!!
 * 6) Zeldamaniac95
 * 7) These guys are pirates! PIRATES! More than enough said. Not to mention Wind Wasker is my all time favorite zelda game.
 * 8) Oh my god, no contest, Tetra and the Pirates all the way.


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Peanut Gallery
The introduction for the fight seems a little biased, eh? - Leo Lab  00:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. We should fire whomever wrote that! -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 05:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Who cares? It's not serious enough for anybody to really get offended or anything.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  13:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Blitz2121 that sounds a little bit sexist.  Metroidhunter32  14:46, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Hm, it's definitely something, but I wouldn't say it's sexist. I mean, he's not saying anything about how a certain gender is worse than the other, and he's not subconciously using male pronouns.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  16:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Its not sexist. Ii may be a little on the bad side, but hey, its the truth! xD Blitz2121 18:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Technically not sexist, but not appropriate at all.

Ok. I think we should just make a rule saying that no one should be allowed make any inappropriate comments or usernames. I'm also saying usernames too because if you look at one of the names below on the votes for zant's hand side, someone has the name Majorasbrokencondom. User:Dragonmaster kayla

Yeesh, you're right. I know the internet is supposed to give people freedom, but that's just a little too disturbing. By the way, I don't wana die, so where's the concession stand? Sincerely, Watcher.
 * Hehe, here we go again with the sexism eh? I'm not gonna say anything. Well, Wikipedia does have a policy against offensive usernames and I think we should too. There's no reason to have a name that intentionally offends people. We should discuss this somewhere else, though. Or I suppose we could do it here. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 23:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I really don't have a clue exactly what we could do about this. Do any of you guys have an idea? User:Dragonmaster kayla

We can't exactly ban people for putting weird stuff like this on, so that's one option out the door. On an unrelated note, WHERE IS THAT BLOODY SNACK BAR!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I DON'T WANNA DIE! Sincerely, Watcher.

Regarding Moblin Slayer's comment in his vote, please don't anyone start with the bickering about whether the organization's name should be "The Group" or the "Adventurer's Guild" again. Not pointing fingers at all, just kindly telling people not to start anything petty that will force an admin like our good AuronKaizer to intervene. OK? Bek The Conqueror 03:45, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For some reason, I don't think it was directed to whether or not this or that is the name of the organization, but rather pointing out that it is a pretty unimaginative name in general. I could be wrong, I guess. Nah, who am I kidding, right Moblin? >.> I sure wish Nintendo would release official names more often...at least in Final Fantasy they name EVERY SINGLE THING and release it in some form. Well, almost. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 10:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know, but I just wanted to head off any further argument on that subject before it started. Just trying to stop anybody from flaming each other. Bek The Conqueror 00:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, today at school, I thought of an idea about the unappropriate usernames...crap, it's gone. I'll tell you guys what it is if I can remember it. Sorry. I wish, I wish, I had a fish...wow I'm random today. User:Dragonmaster kayla

What does the name thing really matter? Tetras Pirates were never refered to as such. Unless something has an official name, I don't think we should care. Just a thought... Sincerely, Watcher.

This is actually pretty even so far. Whoever came up with this match, good idea. LapisScarab 20:44, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I try to make suggestions that pit two different types of Zelda players against each other, so to speak, e.g. Wind Waker lovers vs. Classic Link lovers, MM fans vs. OoT lovers, and so forth. Bek The Conqueror 21:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm on the Wind Waker, MM fan side of the spectrum. OoT and TP were good games but neither are in my top ten list. And The Group really didn't do anything useful, Link could've taken on those monsters at the Big Key himself with no problem. If anything they should've helped him get the other key guarded by the much harder Aerolfos! Now that's one thing I would've mind seeing shot with a bazooka, especially at close range... I really want that to be an item in a new Zelda game. Portal-  Kombat
 * I guess everyone's entitled to their own opinion. On the flip side, I'm allowed to disagree with every fiber of my soul, (about MM and WW, not the bazooka...) just so long as I don't offend or flame anybody, neh? Bek The Conqueror 03:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I liked TP, not as much as OoT, though. Windwaker was a bit more redundant than I would have liked. Too much time spent sailing around trying to get to where you're going. It's dull too. You get attacked by the odd Gyorg, but that's it. Tp's "hub" is Hyrule field, and it's chock full of things just waiting to be sliced up. Plus, it had a deliciously irritating fatal glitch. I had to send my disc in for repair. Vallunge

I liked TP a lot, but what annoyed me most of all is that they pulled Ganondorf back onto the scene. Farore knows we've had enough of him already. Zant (assuming he didn't work for Ganondorf and wasn't Michael Jackson's estranged cousin) would've been a much better, more epic and sinister villain. When I saw that first cutscene with him and those twilight monsters... I really got my hopes up. If the game had been like the first trailer, with Link fighting that army of bulblins and running from a much cooler incarnation of Gohma than the one in the final version, with actually creepy dead-looking ghosts and that HUGE version of Fyrus (know the one I mean?) it could've been the best game ever. Portal- Kombat

Guys, please don't start a Twilight Princess vs. Wind Waker war. You guys seem to have the sense to not insult the games when you're saying that you preferred a different one, but not a lot of people seem to, and if other people get involved in this conversation, eventually it's going to be reduced to needlessly insulting certain games.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  07:27, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh man. This seemed like an insanely close fight at first, but now The Group is winning by quite a bit. Just once I'd like to see a Temple of Courage fight where you don't know who's going to win halfway through. Oh, and just so I don't offend anybody, I'm not saying that this is a bad fight or anything...I'm just saying, we never get fights that are as even as I'd like them to be.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  07:35, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Well then to be fair I have to give props to the group for the bazooka guy. But if this fight really happened, the pirates would win. The group has a barkeeper who just serves as the headquarters person, a guy who reads a lot... the only threats are the two swordfighters and the bazooka guy. On the other hand, at least all the small pirates have knives and the other three pirates are pretty much brute force. Portal- Kombat

I don't know why you can't just ban the unapropriate usernames. Wikitroid does it and just tells them to come back in under a different name and Portal-Komabt. One word; Brains. The group can out think and stratigecly destroy the pirates.  Metroidhunter32  01:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

PK, two things. First off, I really don't see how TP could have possibly been any better than it was, but that's just me. Second, in case you've forgoten, bazookas and swords beat strength and knives any day. Sincerely, Watcher.

I say we should do that too, Metroidrunter32. It's probably the best thing we could do. User:Dragonmaster kayla

Um, yeah, are you guys even listening to me? Let's not start a war here. On a side note, I really hate how rude the anonymous voters always are (especially anonymous voter 12 for The Group).  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. I might seem a bit hypocritical saying this, but please just state your opinions about the characters in the fight in your actual vote. Nobody wants a flame war here. Bek The Conqueror 23:48, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Watcher, TP could've been better:
 * Actually dangerous bosses
 * More horseback combat
 * Putting old items back to use again (Gale Boomerang, anyone?)
 * When you use the spinner, you actually ride it instead of just using it for gears in City in the Sky
 * Octoroks. They killed the series' longest running tradition.
 * I was expecting a darker Zelda title. But Majora's Mask is still the darkest.
 * No Ganondorf! Talk about a stale villain with no new motives. He's like Bowser at this point.
 * Actual control of the camera in Hyrule Castle Town

...I could come up with a much longer list. But I'm not enough of a fan or hater of TP to do so. As for the group defeating the pirates, it seems illogical to think that generally unarmed pirates could take on the group. But assuming that this battle takes place on the sea, the pirates would have a ship and the group wouldn't have anything. Pirates win there. Is there a setting for all these battles, anyway? Portal- Kombat

I guess I'll have to give you some of that. Admitably, the lack of a rideable Spinner, Octorocks, and decent horseback combat, but the point in my original comment was that there's so much good stuff in TP, the bad things are kind of easy to overlook. Additionaly, I'm not trying to start a war XYZ. I like WW and TP equaly. I'm sorry if I came of like that. I'll be carefuller in the future. Finally, if we're going to change tonight, we need a picture of Fierce Deity Link. Sincerely, Watcher.

Never mind, I just remembered we have one. Sincerely, Watcher.

Yeah, Twilight Princess did a lot more right than it did wrong. I'd give it a 93/100. But it could always be better, like any game. That being said, I think... I liked it better than Ocarina of Time. Well what more can I say about the pirates? It's time to move on to the next fight. Portal- Kombat

I used a cool Fierce Deity picture for a custom userbox...the name was generic numbers though. Dialask77 23:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Fierce Deity's cool but he made the final boss of Majora's Mask way too easy! It's more fun to use your other transformations to fight it. Well, I guess it depends on your style of fighting. Portal- Kombat

Uhh, guys, I need help. I tried to set up the next weeks Temple of Courage, but I screwed it up big time. If someone could fix it that would be great, and I swear I had nothing but good intentions, and will not try this again. Sincerely (and sorrily), Watcher.
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Week 28: Zant's Hand vs. Wallmaster
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size=5>Winner! "Zant's Hand" The epic battle of disembodied hands which can really get on your nerves.
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Votes for Zant's Hand

 * 1) It makes my heart hammer, you know, running through the room with the Sol and Zant's hand hot in pursuit. And I have always found the Wallmaster very annoying. PhantomGanonUsurper27
 * 2) This thing is creepy to the extreme and the fact that it is imortal means that it just keeps coming and you can't just kill it and go on with your life. Your stuck with that thing until you make it outside.   Metroidhunter32  23:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Tough decision, but I'll have to go w/ Zant's hand. It scared the ***t out of my friend (nearly giving his sister nightmares). Tough choice, but I can't vote against that. - Leo  Lab  00:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) All for Zant's hand. Whenever I saw the shadow getting close, I'd start panicking. Good choice. Leo604 02:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) It looks cooler, it's difficult without being extremely annoying, and the music scares the crud out of me. I'm not joking, it freaks me out (less now than when I first played the game, but you get the point). LapisScarab 05:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Its "Zants Hand." I have nothing else to say. BetweenBlack&White
 * 7) Well this is a really difficult decision for me as both are challenging enemies. I myself found Wallmaster annoying in earlier games, but that's what it was intended to do, so its substance was good as it had the intended effect. To me, Zant's Hand is an updated and very much improved version of Wallmaster. I prefer the style and sense of foreboding that Zant's Hand casts over the player, although I still like Wallmaster a lot too given that it was the forerunner of Zant's Hand. Hero of Time 87 14:59, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) This thing makes me freak out. Doing things on a time limit is something I have trouble doing. My reflexes and motor skills for the most part suck ass so I need to be able to take my time to get around problems. What with the freaky music and Zant's Hand being an achingly slow scary floating hand is more than I can say for Wallmasters when it comes to being troublesome. -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 21:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) I always hated Wall Master on Oot and This Zant's hand was more challenging in TP.
 * 10) Wallmaster? Ha. THIS THING GOES THROUGH WALLS.  Portal-  Kombat Altough I've played this game multiple times, the thing, along whit it's music, always creeps me and it brings another dimension to dungeons: escaping it when it finished.
 * 11) The most infuriating, put-your-head-through-the-wall boss in all of Zelda-dom against the thing that puts you back at the start of the level? I know who wins this one. User:Hello Waterface
 * 12) It is immortal, can go through walls, and is in the Palace of Twilight, my favorite temple. OddGoron
 * 13) I like the background music for when it approaches, and it's realistic-looking. Pianist Link 09:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) Even though I hate when I play, the graphics are better.Shadow of Twilight
 * 15) Non-killables beat regular enemies every time. Bek The Conqueror 02:42, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) It can't die, it won't stop chasing you, it looks cool, and it gave you a sense of urgency. To top that off, it beat out both Wallmaster AND Like Like for the title of Enemy I Hate the Most. I have to go with Zant's Hand. Vallunge
 * 17) This thing scared the living daylights out of me when I first discovered it when through walls. The thing that freaks me out most about ALL video games is the music. I almost ran out of the room when I heard it. Majora'sBrokenCondom 12:11, 31 December 2008
 * 18) Well, I've only played part of OoT, but from what I've heard, Wallmaster gets his ass kicked. Go Zanty's handy. SleepingDragon7
 * 19) While the Wallmaster was incredibly creepy from OoT, Zant's Hand just freaked the be-jesus out of me! The creepy music accompanying it is what really put it over the edge for me; not to mention the fact that, while you know it's there, it glides along silently, like some impending doom or something.  GreyCrusader

Anonymous votes

 * 1) The wallmaster is just annoying while Zant's hand can be a little difficult to avoid because of 2 reasons. 1. It can't be killed. 2. The monsters and obstacles slow you down a bit when u r trying to escape with the sole.
 * 2) Zant's Hand is cool. Wallmasters are just creepy.
 * 3) An immortal embodiment of all evil that is sent to protect the Sol. And it's freakin scary having that thing chase you around!
 * 4) Ouch, tough choice, but my hat's off to Zant's Hand. That thing is just plain scary. Dunno if it's the music or how it moves its fingers, but I really get nervous when running away from it. Don't get me wrong, Wallmasters are scary as well, but at least you can dodge them with a roll or even give em a slash.
 * 5) No matter what you do, Zant's hand will never be destroyed. All you can do is run. Wallmasters on the other hand are fairly easy to kill in Ocarina of Time. 220.253.202.37 03:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) By far the cooler of the two - just look at it + it's immortal - so what chance does a wallmaster have???
 * 7) I got really afraid when this thing was chasing after me !!!!
 * 8) You cant even kill Zant's hand! I know how annoying Wallmasters are, but at least they die! Zant's hand is an ever-present threat, which is why I'm going for this side.
 * 9) Zant's Hand is just plain awesome but its creepy because it wont stop following you!! Zeldamaniac95
 * 10) Zants hand is immortal and can transform a wall master into another zants hand and lives in twilight. Enough said.
 * 11) It scared the heck out of my friend.
 * 12) He's really annoying. I was fending him off when I ran out of arrows.
 * 13) wallmasters are easy to avoid with the help of ladders so this guy got my vote.
 * 14) Zant's Hand could corrupt a Wallmaster and is invincible, not to mention it follows you forever.


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Votes for Wallmaster

 * 1) It's a classic enemy. Solar flute
 * 2) At least you can kill this thing.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  20:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Every time I go into a dungeon in a Zelda game, my biggest fear is a Wallmaster grabbing me. Oddball464
 * 4) Hands down for me (no pun intended), the wallmaster is a classic, and is not as obnoxious as Zant's Hand is. Dialask77 13:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Wallmaster definitly Young link
 * 6) Wallmaster! LeaderSheikah
 * 7) One of the best enemies. nintenodGamer1124
 * 8) Wallmaster is a classic enemy, enough said ssherry92
 * 9) I hate wallmaster, but I would chose it anyway. I don't have Twilight Princess, but I've borrowed it from a friend once, and I haven't gotten to Zant's Hand yet. Wallmasters creep me out, but they were a challenge cause I always got caught by them. So...I'm voting for wallmaster. User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 10) Wallmaster is the better one. No doubt about it. User:The Great Usurper Bongo Bongo
 * 11) Wallmaster is much harder to avoid than Zant's hand, and is much more of annoying all around. It can easily dstroy large amounts of hard work, whereas Zant's hand might send you back one or two rooms. Zant's hand is much slower, and even when it grabs a sol it's still easy to get back with the clawshot. Wallmaster is a much more formidable opponent. Swordsman1062
 * 12) Wallmaster is way better than Zant's Hand. It has the ability to send you to the start of the dungeon, it is basically equivalent to the floormaster in WW, and it can scare you to death in OoT if your not careful. Blitz2121

Anonymous votes

 * 1) In OOt : Forest temple, these things scared the hibijibees out of me. I would be walking around, then boom, i was grabbed, snatched up, and warped to the center of the dungeon. The whirling air noise didn't make it any better. I guess in TP, zant's hand wasn't that scary. It was cool, but it served as an obnoxious, non-killable enemy compared to the wall hands, which can at least be killed.
 * 2) watch out for the monsters that hang from the ceiling.. I defintly go for this one.. Zant's hand made it morge difficult to reach him, but the wall masters were easy.. easy wins
 * 3) As always, I took the definition of "fight" literally, and decided that Wallmaster could easily defeat Zant's Hand. While Zant's Hand could convert a Wallmaster to another of it's kind (since Zant's Hands' are nothing more than what appear to be Wallmasters infused with Twilight), the Wallmaster has a definate advantage. Zant's Hand exists only to guard the Sol, and when activated, moves at a slow pace. Thus, the Wallmaster could easily attack Zant's Hand without touching the Sol, and (if it had to) could just move up, out of Zant's Hands' reach, easily defeating the creature. The Wallmaster wins, hands-down (no pun intended). Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 4) Wallmasters are awesome! I remember this one time in the shadow temple when I went into this weird room and a wallmaster comes down and grabs me! They scared me but they are so cool looking! Zant's hand was annoying,especially when I went into the next room with the sol and I thought I had got rid of it, but it came back through the wall. No matter how many arrows I shoot at it, it won't die!!!!!
 * 5) Wallmasters are the most classic annoying enemies in Zelda, Zant's hand only appeared in one Zelda game and weren't even all that memorable. Wallmaster definitely wins.
 * 6) How can you not vote for Master Hand's decrepit old sibling? Wallmaster wins my vote.
 * 7) This guy has my vote. I always feared him, and always freaked out when he was coming. Zant's hand was too easy to get away from.
 * 8) I vote for the wallmaster because they are the most annoying villains in Zelda games.  I found Zant's hand to be patheticly easy to avoid and get past.  Wallmasters, not so much.
 * 9) there is no debate, the wallmaster wins for being a classic, and cooler looking.
 * 10) there wall master has been around for over 20 years and has kept it's place as zelda's scariest monster.


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Peanut Gallery
I might be jinxing it right here and now but this looks like a nail biter.  Metroidhunter32  23:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Is it ok to change my vote? I know I shouldn't be constantly flitting back and forth, but I'm afraid I may change my mind midway through the week, since this was a very tough decision for me.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:53, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * yes. Solar flute

I wonder... Is this an arm wrestle, thumb war, rock paper scissors, mercy, or bloody knuckles match? Dialask77 13:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it is a whoever is on top wins seeing as they both drop form the cealing.  Metroidhunter32  22:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

When you think about it, neither one of these can really be "killed." Wallmaster may be gone for a few moments if you kill it, but it always comes back. It's never completely gone. So for those that argue that Wallmaster can be killed while Zant's Hand can't, that's not entirely accurate. You can stun Zant's Hand for several seconds by shooting it with something, namely arrows. I have done this. This is about as good as killing Wallmaster for a few seconds before it returns. Both can be momentarily taken out of action, but neither one can really be "killed" for good. Hero of Time 87 14:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wellll, it depends on which game you're talking about. Bek The Conqueror 02:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

XYZ, D77, I think I'll take your advice. After all, my Dad said that I'm just not mature enough yet to have an account if I'm going to "police the site." Anyways, once he feels otherwise, I'll be on rather quick, and I hope that'll be soon. Untill then, since I'm not really doing anything wrong, I suppose I'll just hang around, OK? I'll do that as soon as I can. Sincerely, Watcher.

Hero of Time, you can kill the Wallmaster. The only reasons you might see it again a few seconds afterwards are: On the other hand, you can never kill Zant's Hand. All you can do is stun it. Portal- Kombat
 * There are multiple Wallmasters in the room.
 * You leave the room and come back. It will have respawned as nearly all enemies do, save for most minibosses and bosses.

PK, what I mean is that neither goes away fully, thus meaning that it's really half a dozen of one, six of another. There's not much difference there as far as gameplay goes. Hero of Time 87 06:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Depends which game you're talking about, I guess. The ones from Ocarina and Majora's Mask at least could be permanently killed off. I don't know about other ones in the series. Maybe the ones from the original Legend of Zelda? The only enemy that I am confident can never be truly finished off is the Miniblin... there will always be more. Portal- Kombat
 * Your statement depends as well. There were places that the Miniblins respawned infinitely and there were places where only about a dozen or so were in residence. Bek The Conqueror 02:52, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Portal-Kombat is right, you must be talking about Wallmasters in a different game, because the ones in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask can be killed off and only respawn if you leave the room and come back, which is really true for quite a few enemies. By the way, Portal-Kombat, there actually several places where Miniblins do not come back after you kill a certain amount of them.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  18:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I know there are many places where you can permanently kill Miniblins. I was thinking of the ones in Forsaken Fortress. Encountering them without a weapon was not fun... I had to jump on top of a table and throw silverware at them to keep them away. Come to think of it, even those disappear after you defeat the Helmaroc King. Still, they have a special place in my nightmares. Creepiest enemies ever, like the Waterwraith and the Aperture Science Turrets from a couple other awesome games. Portal- Kombat

I think there's at least one cave where they never disappear. I don't know what those Aperture Science Turrets are, but I totally understand how you feel about the Waterwraith...*twitches irritably*  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:46, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I played Wind Waker again and the cave where they never disappear is at Boating Course. A.S. Turrets are from Portal and I'm not sure which of those three enemies are the worst. I don't think it's Waterwraith. It may be deadly and flat-out weird but with purples on your side it doesn't stand a ghost of a chance. It's either the turrets or the Miniblin. Portal- Kombat

Hey, PK, when you say "Permanently kill", do you mean while you're scaling the fortress, or afterwards? Because if it's whil you're climbing, I can personally testify that they never stop coming at you. The best thing to do about them there is to run like hell. Sincerely, Watcher.

Ok,a hand that can steal Sol ( What you need to get the light sowrd in the Twilight Princess)And a hand that can throw you out of a dungeon is a very big nailbiter. Bigger than all of the other Zeldapedia Temple Of Courage battles.

WATCHER I meant afterwards, when Ganon's boat/house/tower gets burned by Valoo. Yes. I remember that part when you're scaling it and they don't disappear. Not even when you're sidling against the wall. They'll keep appearing even if all they do is plummet to their deaths :) Portal-  Kombat

All right, just wondering. By the way, what is that thing: a boat, house, or tower? I've never been sure, but my guess is tower. Oh, and that last non-user comment isn't me, it's someone else. Sincerely, Watcher.

Well technically it's a wrecked piece of a boat that serves as Ganon's house placed as a lookout on top of a tower. Portal- Kombat

Thanks PK. By the way everyone, I've been wondering, what does "Peanut" Gallery mean? Sincerely, Watcher.
 * Well, it's a dumb joke that originated on the Final Fantasy Wiki. Well, at least its incorporation into ToC battles was. Basically, it's just another term for comment section. I have no idea how the term originated either. It distresses me, as I am highly allergic to peanuts. Yeah, I do mean the comic that isn't funny at all. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 22:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Not to sound impatient, but it's been more than a week.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

This weeks fight all depends on who is cooler,has better manuver abillaties & who could overall beat the other guy. If zants hand can move up and through walls while a wall master cant but wall masters can throw you out of a dungen from the room right before the boss lair makes it a tricky fight.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. And that last comment is not me. Sincerely, Watcher.

Something that just occured to me, who chose a purple background for the Wallmasters voting section? It's really hard to read. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * me. Solar flute

Come on, Zant's Hand won already. Sorry Wallmaster but people just don't think you're annoying enough. Portal- Kombat

Next weeks fight should be interesting, so why don't we just get on with it. Everyone is bored out of their skulls. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * I concur. I mean, good lord, it's been almost two weeks and I want to see how the fight I suggested goes. No conflict of interest or anything there... :P Bek The Conqueror 04:42, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll seriously take any fight at this point. Even Tingle vs. CD-i Link, because gee it sure is boring around here. Portal-  Kombat
 * Don't nag. It'll be done. I'd do it now if my goddamn family would just leave me alone. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 18:14, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, we were just wondering is all. If you don't have time to do it, maybe you should let someone like XYZ or PK do it. Just a suggestion. Sincerely, Watcher.

THAT'S IT..I'm leaving this temple of courage. Everybody here would rather complain then actually fix it. Every Time I can't update all you do is complaon and it drags on for weeks. you'll still see me around here (just got wind waker and twilight princess) and other wikis, but no more at the temple of courage. And to make it clear, I will be ignoring any messages on my talk page about this. Solar flute

I'm incredibly bored, so does anyone mind if I do it? All I need is a good picture of the Group. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * I just uploaded something that might work. Look under The_Whole_Group.JPG and let me know if it works out. Bek The Conqueror 18:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

For the record, the only reason I'm not doing the fights is because I have no idea how. If someone wants to give me instructions on it, I'd be willing to take over. Also, I looked up The_Whole_Group.JPG and it didn't come up with any results. Could you actually put it on a page or something (preferably The Group)?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I just put the image on my user page. It should be easy to locate becase it's the only thing there. If someone could point me toward a good template to start, just put it on my user talk page. Bit of a warning, the image is just a bunch of copy/pasted images of the indivvidual members, but it's the best thing I or really anyone else has come up with. Bek The Conqueror 23:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


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Week 27: Arrghus vs. Barinade
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In the blue, err, orange corner, we have...a red eye thing surrounded by small enemies resembling Tuff Puffs from Paper Mario (lawsuit anyone?)...AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHUS! And the opponent, fighting out of the dark blue corner...it is a bio-electric anemone with a fear of Boomerangs...BAAAAAARRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIINADE!!!!!!

Now for the thousands of fans in attendance, and the millions watching at home...LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO...vote? Sheesh, well that's lame? Oh, and if you're not down with that, we've got three words for ya!

'''WHY? SO? SERIOUS?!?'''
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Votes for Arrghus

 * 1) this boss fight was more challenging.  Barinade has four bari around it; this thing has at least 20 of those puffballs, though it feels like 50 when you actually play.  Oh, and it looks cooler. -- Moblin   Slayer  02:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) just giving some love to the creepy, one-eyed thing. - SageofWater

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Id rather go 4 the guy whos losing.(just so they DONT kill themselves)!!!
 * 2) In my opinion, one giant jelyfish is enough. Plus, I've played against him.
 * 3) go arrghus! throw your rocks to destroy his jellyfish!!!!


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Votes for Barinade
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 * 1) Barinade is an awesome boss fight. Orefices and stuff like that make me queasy too. It's also the more difficult boss fight. Also, at least the name was somewhat imaginative >.> -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 00:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Some things just don't have to be explained.  By the way I love the fight introduction.   Metroidhunter32  00:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) This was a fun fight. I think I faced the other guy before, but I really enjoyed the fight with Barinade. User:dragonmaster kayla
 * 4) Barinade was harder, more fun, and cooler. NintendoGamer1124
 * 5) Nothing against Arrgus, he's not bad, but I liked Barinade way more. LapisScarab 02:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Barinade is awesome in so many ways, I don't know where to begin.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Barinade is SO more awesome. '[[User:PhantomGanonUsurper27|<font
 * 1) Even though I've never played a Link to the Past, I still thought Barinade was much cooler when I fought him. Blitz2121 21:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Simply better. - Leo Lab  00:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) I wish I could fight this guy with the Keaton Mask! Portal-  Kombat
 * 4) Here's how the fight would work. Arrghus would be unable to sever Barinade's connection to the ceiling, because he only has some clouds. Barinade, however, would be able to the Bari covering him to pull off and zap the clouds. Then, he would easily beat the nearly helpless Arrghus. Gorank 18:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) coolerZeldamaniac95
 * 6) now that i think about it, barinade does rock. Solar flute
 * 7) Bariande is the only one of the two i've faced so can only vote for it realy! Ssherry92
 * 8) Just looks freakier. OddGoron
 * 9) go baranade Oni Dark Link
 * 10) its a freakin' tumor for god sake, it has to be cooler! vlink
 * 11) I like this guy better. I think that Arrghus reappeared in FSA, but I could be wrong. If he did, he was terrible. If he didn't, then oh well. - Leo  Lab
 * 12) Barinade would beat the mess out of Arrghus! User:BetweenBlack&White
 * 13) It explodes into puss which is cooler and grosser than exploding into a puff of smoke. [[User:King Boo]
 * 14) It looks like this guy is pretty close to morpheel, and that was an awsome fight. linkpwns. so does kirby!  16:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) Barinade's attacks are faster and more unpredictable, and he has a good defense. I'm gonna go with him. User:what10210
 * 16) Both boss fights were really easy, but Barinade was definitely the more difficult of the two, plus, everything in Ocarina of Time rocks.Bek The Conqueror 03:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) Harder fight. A bioelectrical anemone vs a jellyfish thing. wow. --Link vs dark link 01:49, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous votes
20. I always pick the blue side ^__^
 * 1) Bariande was a much more enjoyable boss fight. The music was good he had good enough difficulty for being the thrid boss. And really giant eyeball ooh scary versus killer jellyfish.
 * 2) I liked Barinade's fight. Took me a while to actually defeat it
 * 3) well................
 * 4) it's huge
 * 5) never fought the other one
 * 6) console bosses are MUCH better
 * 7) IT'S OVER 9000!!! IT FIRED ITS LAZOR AND IT IS OSSIMER.
 * 8) I agree. Lazers are the shiznit.
 * 9) DR OCTAGONAPUS!!! BLAHH!!!!
 * 10) Please. Barinade has an electric beam attack. All Arrghus can do is send out his little puffballs. Barinade could zap them into oblivion, or just zap Arrghus. No matter how you look at it, Barinade wins. Sincerelly, Watcher.
 * 11) I totally hate this guy.. I was so frustrated during the battle. But since I beat him with a quarter of a heart left, I vote for him.
 * 12) This guy was so awesome! I really liked him! He was practically Jabu Jabu's brain tumor... thats the way i picture it
 * 13) i really enjoyed this batle much more than the aarghus batle, and its harder because you have to keep running all the time so you dont get damage.
 * 14) this was a hard fight although i beat him the first time!
 * 15) This boss battle takes place inside a fish, you can't get better then that
 * 16) Barinade was hard to beat you can never stay in one place!
 * 17) IMA F1R1N MAH LAZ0R!!!! BLARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! SHOOP DA WOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BARINADE WE ALL LIKE, "O RLY," AND I WAS LIKE, "YAH RLY" AND BARINADE IS BETTOR TEHN A LOLCAT!!! LULZ!!!
 * 18) It took me a little while to figure him out but, IT WAS AWESOME! IT SHOOTS LASERS!!!!!!!
 * 19) Took me forever to beat him!!!
 * 1) Hate to side with the strong but theres no doubt a jelly fish tumor could lose against a giant eyeball.


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Peanut Gallery
Who did the teple of courage this weak? The heang (set up like a wrestling match) is pretty cool...-- Moblin  Slayer  02:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * AuronKaizer. I don't think anyone other than an admin would have the audacity to change it that much.   Metroidhunter32  02:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * what do you mean only admin? I'm not an admin, and yet i've been changing it for quite some time. Solar flute

Sorry for being nitpicky, but since Mario and Zelda were both made by Nintendo, there wouldn't be any lawsuits (at least, that's how I think it works).  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That comment reminds me of that diet coke commercial where coke is trying to sue diet coke for flavor infringment. Can nintendo sue itself?  That is the question.   Metroidhunter32  03:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised. In these days of financial crises that abound the world, they could easily pull that off. And anyone can be bold, you know that. -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 03:22, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Possibly, although it would probably be case dismissed. Solar flute

That would be rather stupid. You're right, they could pull that off, but it would be illogical in so many ways. Also, if they were going to sue themselves, they would be more likely to do it over all that Mario stuff in Link's Awakening (they even have a Kirby reference in there). By the way, if that comment about being "bold" was about me editing it myself, I don't really feel a need to. It doesn't make perfect sense, but it's still funny, and 90% of the people that read it probably won't really care about the technicalities of the issue.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  04:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It was really just a general comment. If anyone were to make a change like this to the Temple of Courage presentation, they would be free to. Of course, being an admin, with responsibility and all that, I would revert back to the old format if I did not like it. But it's not like any of my own edits cannot be contested, though. I'm just trying to break away from the norm and give the people who come here something new...in this case, lavish presentation with weird jokes. -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 05:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

By you "not liking it", I'm going to assume that you don't simply mean that you yourself don't like it even though there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, and I will instead assume that you meant that to be a general statement meaning that there is actually something beyond your own personal taste. Again, I really don't have a problem with it, I'm just nitpicking as usual. I actually kind of like it. Makes it feel more user-friendly.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  08:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Long time no see, everybody! Don't worry, i'm only here to say hello. Oliver Platt 14:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hai dere, I thought you were gonna give us another story of the secret "Uber-Barinade" boss found in Ocarina of Time. Of course, to actually get there, you must have exactly 21 Rupees and 3 Deku Sticks. In the northern wall of Lake Hylia, press Z 500 times when you're close to the wall and you will wind up in the hidden Ice Dungeon, the hardest dungeon in any game ever. The reward for completing it and beating Uber-Barinade is a piece of virtual pie. Right? -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 15:40, 4 December2008 (UTC)

Ha! Thats funny. Not much to say here, Barinade looks like a winner allready. Barinade is probally better remembered. Also, i was gonna make a suggestion, but I cant seem to. Odd. Has Deku vs. Kokiri allready been suggested? King yoshi42 16:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

HOW did YOU know that, AK? I thought i was the only one! But please allow me to correct you. You must only press Z 499 times, or else it breaks. Oliver Platt 20:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Deku vs. Kokiri has already been suggested, but it doesn't really matter. A given suggestion can be suggested multiple times, just as long as it's not two weeks in a row.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  23:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey, AK, can you give me some strategies against the Uber-Barinade? I just can't seem to beat him, and the piece of virtual pie is all that's left for me to clear the game 100%. Oliver Platt 01:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, that's sort of the problem isn't it? I was stupid enough to press the Z-button 500 times instead of 499; now my controller is broken, my game is glitched with nude textures on Zelda and Anju and all my savegames have been erased. WHY??????? :( -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 01:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Barinade's core kind of looks like a peahat from space! Portal- Kombat

Guys, I thought we agreed to not encourage Platt. Before posting anything else, think carefully about what happened last week. We don't want a repeat, do we? Sincerelly, Watcher.
 * "We" didn't agree to anything. I don't really care either way, I find Platt's random crap rather funny in nature. Who are you, anyway? -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 02:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

The first time, I admit he was annoying. This time, though, it's been reduced to a small inside joke between Oliver Platt and AuronKaizer. If it really becomes annoying like last time, we may have to try to discourage him, but at this point, he's not doing anything wrong. I agree with AuronKaizer, though - who exactly are you? As I said before, if you're going to become a regular here, you may as well make an account.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess you're right. Platt isn't doing anything wrong, and this time around, it's kinda funny. I'm still watching him though. As for who I am, I'm just a fan of the series who doesn't know the ins and outs of becoming a member. Anyone willing to help? Sincerelly, Watcher.

In the top-right corner of any page, there should be 2 green boxes with words in them - Log in and Create an Account. Just click on Create an Account and fill out the information boxes given. It's shouldn't be difficult.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:31, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Before I do it, I just have to know. Would any of my personal private information become public? Sincerelly, Watcher.

The only personal information you must give out is your E-mail and your date of birth (there is a "Real name" box, but this is optional). As far as I know, your date of birth stays private to other users, if you're worried about that.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  04:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good thing too. Once you give out even one single solitary slovo of personal information on the net, chances are you'll wake up in a prehistoric bathroom with your leg chained to a pipe. I'm just sayin'. -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 04:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Guys, the boss doesn't want anything anymore... So i guess i'll just become a normal contributer, without all that mayhem stuff. If you don't want me here, though, just tell me. Oliver Platt 14:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Whoever suggestid this weeks fight is a genious. Two jellyfish fighting is just so cool.

Out of curiosity, when is the next "fight" going to be? Dialask77 20:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It was just changed...at least a week. Don't forget to suggest a fight or vote for another. -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 01:47, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Guys, I've got a few things I want to say. First off the bat, Platt, I'm glad you've decided to renounce yourannoying mayhem making ways. I'm not entierly trusting of you yet, but I at least accept you. Second, the above unsigned comment is not me. I have no clue who it is, but it certanly is not Watcher. Finally, I have bad news for you. I consulted with my dad, and I am forbiden from signing up as a user. This was a bit of a blow to me, but I have an idea. Seeing as I act as a user already, I have a question: Is it possible for me to create a user page without officialy signing up? One last thing: Platt, I guess as long as you don't cause any more so called "mayhem", we may as well keep you around. After all, if what you were saying is true, then you were only operating under another user, and even then, it wasn't anything illegal. By the by, since you're done with him, I gotta know, who was he/she? This is a question of intilectual curiosity, and if you say anything along the lines of "Ha, ha, I tricked you all!", then all I can say is "You are a sad, strange little man." Sincerelly, Wathcer.

Why exactly doesn't he want you to become a user? I don't really see anything wrong with making a userpage, but I'm not sure if it's ok to do. Maybe ask an admin? By the way, Moblin Slayer and I were also wondering who Platt's boss was.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  20:17, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

hey guys,I'm wondering if you will make a mercy rule,like in baseball.

We never have before. It's an interesting idea, but we usually need a whole week in order to get the maximum amount of fight suggestions. It's better that way, since some really good fights come up later in the week.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

It has something to do with giving our email address away. By the by, which users could I ask about the user page thing? Sincerelly, Watcher.

It's not like you'll be giving away your password or anything like that. I mean, for that matter, anybody that you Email will know your Email address simply by looking at who sent it. You could probably ask any admin, but AuronKaizer is probably the best one to ask, since he's generally the most active, most consistent admin. He also tends to have a lot of general knowledge about how things should be done on this wiki.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  18:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Umm, yeah, thanks for that, but like I said before, something like this you should ask Richard about, what with him being tight with the Wikia project and all. I'm just a regular user like all of you. Although, I guess technically Richard is as well, but he has that Wikia thing like I said. Ask him. There's not like your email will be used for anything other than lost password and suches, I think. You can also disable the function that allows other people to email you, I think. -- Auron  Kaizer Talk loud, hit harder! 18:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't really know Richard, so I don't know what his knowledge on things are. You're the most likely to know out of the admins that I actually know. If you say he's more likely to know than you are, though, then by all means, Watcher, contact Richard.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  23:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Guys, I have the feeling that this fight may drag on longer than usual, so could everyone either post more fight suggestions or just pick one. I think that I'm not the only one who gets anoyed when these fights drag on for a while. Sincerelly, Watcher.

I'll handle it tonight. Solar flute

Thanks. If I came off as a jerk, I'm sorry. Sincerelly, Watcher.

Guys, bad news. I just talked to my dad, and he gave me the real reason that I can't join you officialy. According to him, when I joined in talking about Platt last time around, I had started policing the site, something he doesn't want me doing. I don't know what to say except that I cannot join, period. Sincerely, Watcher.

Hang on. Can't you just tell him that you won't police the site now that Platt has stopped?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  07:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I would, but the problem is that I can never be sure whether or not that will be good enough for him. Someone else may pop up. I'm afraid I can't do anything at all about this. Sincerelly, Watcher.

Watcher couldn't you just enter some nonsense like Ha@Blah.com for your E-mail adress and just not let you dad find out.  Metroidhunter32  00:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, you could just not "police" the site at all. Leave the rulebreakers to the admins if your dad doesn't want you to be doing that. As to Metroidhunter32's idea, I personally don't think you should be encouraging anybody to be keeping secrets from their parents, especially about trivial stuff like this.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Xykeb. He probably has his reasons, we shouldn't attempt to convince you otherwise. Dialask77
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