Zeldapedia:Temple of Courage



Welcome to the Temple of Courage, where various characters from the The Legend of Zelda series battle out on a semi-weekly basis! You, the people, are the deciding factors in these matches. Functionally, all of these battles are popularity contests and not "battles" as such. For instance, in a boss vs. boss fight, we suggest that you vote for the one you like the most rather than whether or not one enemy would beat another in a legit fight. This is only a suggestion, though.

You can suggest a fight or vote or comment on others on the suggestions sub-article.

Rules

 * You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that week.
 * You may only vote once.
 * If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. This section can also be used for users who wish to stay anonymous. However, any votes put in the anonymous sections will only count as a half vote.
 * When a new fight is created (the process should take no longer than a week, give or take a couple of days), the votes from the last fight will be totaled and winner decided.
 * Please sign your vote (unless you want to be counted as an anonymous vote) with a link to your username in front of your eventual voting text.
 * Don't try to rig the votes by entering multiple votes; these pages are regularly patrolled and you WILL face consequences if you are caught.
 * Please don't use talk templates.

Week 40: Link the Pig vs. Lord Bullbo
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Undecided" LLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! After a week of absense due to popped blood vessles, we here at Zeldapedia now proudly present the 40th WEEK IN THE TEMPLE OF COURAGE! All right! Before we begin, all you bacon lovers out there must evacuate immediatly.
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In the pink corrner, we have a baby black pig, still with his litter. Born on Outset Island, a feaster of his own kind, and even larger than the human Heavyweight Champion of the World, we have LINK THE PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG!

And in the green corner, having shed his master for one week, stands a colosal green boar. Born in parts unknown, carrier of Lord Bulblin, and better armored than Fort Knox, it's LORD BULLBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Two massive pigs shall now duke it out for the Pig Heavyweight Championship. As our contestants get ready to charge, I ask you this question: Who will win? We shall leave that up to you, dear voters. I don't wanna get gored, and hate all this waiting, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!


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Votes for Link the Pig

 * 1) I grew connected to Link the Pig throughout the game, I don't know why. Maybe it's because he's named after Link, maybe it's because he's such an unusual color, and maybe it's because he fiercely attacks you whenever you attack him. Whatever the reason, I definitely prefer him over Lord Bullbo.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) This actually took some thinking for me, but Link the Pig won in the end. Why? Maybe it had something to do with how the kids told you what happened to the other pigs... Besides, I was extremely excited when I could finally lift him up. User:Daydreamer3173
 * 3) This Fierce Pork Trooper gave me more trouble than Lord Bulbo. Who knew that a bloated sack of pork chops like this pig could instill a sense of fear and panic in you more than most REAL enemies in the Zelda series? It's probably also important to note that in it's rampage it will kill enemies simply by brushing against them. Beat that. Portal-  Kombat
 * 4) I guess I pick Link the Pig 'cause I love pigs. They're so cute. And it can give you a piece of heart. User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 5) Tough, but I have to go with Link the Pig. I got bored once and attacked him until he went berserk...and lost over half of my full health before I got away. Lord Bulbo by himself just isn't as impressive.LapisScarab 04:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Dude, no contest. This thing hits harder than Ganondorf! --Ryttu3k 03:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) to be perectly honest i didn't know who to vote for so i just flipped a coin--Twilitlink 06:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) User:Miss-Magius - Let's be logical here, because the pigs are invinsible.
 * 9) Well, lets look at the reasons. One, he is invincible. Two, he drains more life than Ganondorf. Three, he can dig into rock, unlike bulbo, who can only smash into enemies and carry a fat orc. Four, he is the only pig to not be digested by a happy family of villagers. Five, if Lord Bulbo attacks Link the Pig, or wins this, Link the pig will get darker than he normally is, his eyes will turn red, and he will knock the lights out of Lord Bulbo until that large truck of lard falls off a cliff. Also, that homicidal pig that hates getting attacked will just sit there and when Lord Bulbo attempts to ram him, he will just disappear into Link the pig, just like a normal wrestler getting absorbed by the belly of a sumo wrestler. Shade Link
 * 10) Lisa URAQT 18:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)It's a big, black awesome pig that digs when you spread bait on the ground. Yeah, pretty random, I know, but look what happens when you attack it! I rest my case.


 * 1) I think this guy takes the pork (pun intended). It's like Cuccos when you make it mad... except on elephant steroids.—[[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 19:25, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) My vote goes to the pig because this one is actually usefull.. Just give it some food and it will dig up rupees and other stuff.. Bulbo is only useful in breaking fences..


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Votes for Lord Bullbo

 * 1) He is bigger and he is cooler.I really enjoyed fighting this guy. 10:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Feirce Deity Einar
 * 2) Hmmm, giant armored war pig with tusks versus fat pink tub of lard. Yeah, that's a hard one... Turtleman579
 * 3) He's bigger, armored, and more badass. My vote goes to Bullbo. --EveryDayJoe45 03:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I think that this guy totaly wrecks that tubby pig anytime! Plus I enjoyed jousting with him.-Bulbinslayer
 * 5) For a while I've been voting for the losing combatant, but Lord Bullbo losing to a regular pig so far that's messed up. You get the point, my votes for Bulbo. [[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Ages).gif]]Twoface13[[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Seasons).gif]]

Anonymous votes

 * 1) tough one, but though i personall like link better horns, armor, biggerness, and being able to knock link off a horse beats weighing a ton and running at link :)
 * 2) i enjoy fighting him                                                                                                                                         Big freakin razor-tusked boar vs. chubby swine.......Bulbo wins in my book



Peanut Gallery

 * XZ, you forgot to put your signature on your vote. JSYK. --Bek The Conqueror 01:14, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

This fight won! Awesome! The Pigmask Army triumphs once more! Portal- Kombat

Thanks for notifying me. I usually notice when I forget to sign my votes....  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Huh....interesting how everybody predicted that this would end up being a Wind Waker vs. Twilight Princess fight, yet nobody has made any comments about the games they're from yet.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:49, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Why are both vote collumns white and the penut gallery on top?  Metroidhunter32  14:56, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea, I can't work with this coding stuff. This entire week has been pretty messed up....I wish AuronKaizer would come and fix this stuff.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)


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Week 39: Big Octo vs. Gyorg Pair
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Big Octo!" 17 > 6.5 LLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! We here at Zeldapedia are now proud to present to you the 39th Week in the Temple of Courage! All right! For this weeks bout, you may notice our arena has been filled with water. Why, you ask? You're about to find out!
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In the light blue corner, we have an enourmous, multi-eyed monstrousity! Hailing from the Great Sea, this titan enjoys seagulls and randomly attacking ships that venture into his whirlpool, and hates bombs and boomerangs; Ladies and gentlemen: BIG OCTOOOOOOOOOO!

And in the dark blue corner, you will see not only one, but two giant manta ray things who have tonight blessed us with their presence! Coming all the way from the lofty heights of the Palace of Winds, this deadly duo enjoy each other and their energy blasts, and despise Link and his sword, it's the GYORG PAAAAAAAAAAAAIR!

So, we have two (three, whatever, leave me alone!) giant, multi-eyed fish creatures who are out for blood. And you can bet that our special pool will be filled with that by fights end! Whose blood will it be? It's up to you, the voters! I'm about to pop some of my veins, so LLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!


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Votes for Big Octo

 * 1) I like calamari--Twilitlink 22:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) You don't release the "Lame Stingrays with an Uninspired Name", you RELEASE THE KRAAAAAAKEN!!!  Portal-  Kombat
 * 3) Big Octo, along with Iron Knuckles, ReDeads, and Gomess, is one of those things that simply terrified me as a kid. Not realizing the thing with the seagulls, I ran into one of these things accidentally on my first playthrough of Wind Waker and as a result I spent half of the game paranoid about running into another one when I wasn't prepared to do so. Basically, I vote for anything that terrifies me.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I hate it but its awesome anyway.--PoogMaster 01:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Simple: Even the weakest member of their species (the four-eyed one at Two-Eye Reef) Has enough power to hold a Great Fairy captive. Plus, it's really, really big. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 6) What can I say, fighting these guys is hard and nerve-wracking. Besides, anything that includes squishing eyeballs will always win. And stingrays killed my beloved Steve Irwin. Screw you, Gyorg Pair! -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 03:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) These things freaked me out. Took me forever to figure out how to beat them...—[[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 11:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) While I would like to come up with a better reason than this I have to admit, I've never heard the "Gyorg Pair". Gbadude3sd
 * 9) Big Octo always scared the crud outta me. last time I ran into one when I did not have boomerang, or anything else that could work on them, I freaked out. the gyorg pair is just an embarrassment to the gyorg species. I mean, who would NOT vote for a large 4, 8, or 12 eyed squid that can corrupt seagulls into flying around them, create a whirlpool, and is bent on devouring you whole and blasting you out to the other side of the ocean? User:Shade Link(aka...a new member to come)
 * 10) Big Octo would probably defeat the other one, mainly because it can make you go VERY far if it sucks you up.. --User:Knigt413
 * 11) What can I say... I loved killing these things by both methods, and I hate everything to do with the duplication mechanic in Minish Cap. Explains why I hate the final boss so much... Bek The Conqueror 23:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) This is an easy one. I've never played Minish cap, so I've never seen the Gyorg pair. BUT, when I first got Wind Waker and stumbled across a Big Octo it scared me so much. Besides, they're kinda sorta hard to kill. So, Big Octo for the win! Daydreamer3173
 * 13) Big Octos require either bombs or boomerangs to kill them. With the Gyorg pair, you can just hack them with your sword.Bkarcher97
 * 14) I really hate to say this, but i vote for big octo. the gyorgs were cool, but, well, how can you not vote for a giant, multi eyed kraken??? User:Dekutulla
 * 15) I still remember the first time I saw a Big Octo. It was at night and under Ganondorf's curse. Suddenly, a seagull, oh! another seagull. What? Another? --Big Octo fight theme plays-- It's, it's, it's the KRAKEN!!! Seriously, this guy swallows the Gyorg pair by just opening its mouth. Also, the twelve eyed Big Octo swallowed me two times before I beat it. Snakeboss14 20:27, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) I haven't played the minish cap yet but big octos are fun to kill, they have gigantic eyes, and they look cooler than the gyorg pair.
 * 2) I dunno about The Wind Waker Big Octo as I have never played it but the Big Octo from OoT and MM is classic. That and Big Octo has appeared in 3 games whilst the Gyorg Pair has appeared in one (granted Gyorg has appeared in more but not the pair). What does that tell ya?.
 * 3) When I played the Wind Waker when I was 6 it was the scariest thing I saw in a video game, the music still creeps me out.
 * 4) I'm gonna have to go with the Big Octo. It made me afraid of seagulls (in game of course) when I was younger.


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Votes for Gyorg Pair

 * 1) Gyorg flies and is a sting-ray...sting-rays are cool... Dialask77  Ice Wizard  [[Image:Ice Sorceror.png|30px]] 23:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) big octo wouldnt be able to touch the groyg pair while they fly over raining fire balls and baby fish things. Oni  Dark   Link 10:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) im only voting for these guys because they are trailing so badly. maybe if they win i can take them home, put them in a little tank with a cliche sunken ship and feed them fishy flakes. they're so cute! Katamariqueen 16:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Does Big octo have cool panels that let you split yourself? No, it doesn't. [[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Ages).gif]]Twoface13[[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Seasons).gif]]
 * 5) Nobody ever votes for the 2-D games. Anyways, Gyorg Pair were just more fun to fight. Big Octo was too easy. Mrs.MikauShadLink 21:45, 17 March, 2009

Anonymous votes

 * 1) These guys are the bosses of the temple with one of the coolest Zelda Items ever.. The Roc's cape!! I loved this boss since you were so high up in the sky Link would die by falling down.. That would be cool to do once..
 * 2) gyorg pair will kick some calamari ass
 * 3) they were much more difficult than that weak ass big octoroc


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Peanut Gallery
To the second anonymous voter for Big Octo, the Bigoctos from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are completely different creatures and as such are not considered the same thing.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The easiest way to take down Big Octos is using the Boomerang. In fact, pretty much everything in Wind Waker will die easily if you hit it with the Boomerang before attacking with your sword. Portal- Kombat

I guess no one else like gyorg pair... can people please say affirmative for carock vs aghanim, I really need to get my (sort of) wizzrobe fight out of my system. Hey people should vote gyorg cause I put up the box in the first place!!...just kidding, vote what you think is best Dialask77 Ice Wizard   02:18, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Did you seriously have to include the "enjoy each other" paragraph? I just got some weird imagery in my head...if this leads to a homicidal freakout, you're paying the bills. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 05:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I shouldn't have done that. Still, I couldn't think of anything better at the time. Sincerely, Watcher


 * Does anyone visit my page to see my userboxes and reply make selections on my polls? I only have one person who has voted so far... Dialask77  Ice Wizard  [[Image:Ice Sorceror.png|30px]] 12:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

same here although id be the first to admit that my user page is rubish although i have recently started making a sub user page featuring my evaluation of the zelda series which should be quite interesting when finished. Oni Dark   Link 12:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Wow...I must have been gone for a while...this won in the suggestions?!? Last time I checked it was losing by 3 or 4 votes...-- Moblin  Slayer (Working on it...) 15:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Bombers vs. Killer Bees got two last-minute opposes and this got two last-minute supports.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  17:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

your going to need a very big fish tank, Katamariqueen. Oni Dark   Link 17:25, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

as far as i know in wind waker (i presume its wind waker due to the seagull comment) the restircted sailing until you complete forest haven quest stops you from entering any squares with a big octo so im a bit confused shade link as to how you can fight one with out a boom a rang Oni Dark   Link 21:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I just realized something: while your path is still restricted and you have to pass from Dragon Roost Island to Forest Haven, the first island you pass by is Fire Mountain! There's actually a Big Octo on that square 0_0 what could possibly happen if it ate you, maybe it would spit you out in one of the beta test rooms (that'd be my wish, anyway!) Portal-  Kombat

I have been swallowed and spit out many a time by that octo at Fire Mountain without any projectiles. It just blocks you from any islands you haven't passed by. Windfall to Dragon Roost to Forest Haven are all fine because you've been through those islands before. After Forest Haven temple, you can go wherever. Mrs.MikauShadLink 21:40, 17 March, 2009

o yeah i forgot about the fire mountain one Oni Dark   Link 09:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The easiest way to kill a big octo is to use bombs or light arrows, bombs because it takes 1 or 2 hits to destroy an eye, and light arrow because it takes one hit to destroy an eye, plus, light arrow pierces through stuff it hits, so if there is an eye on the other side, it will destroy that eye.Shade Link

Actually, bombs are much harder to use, since they're very hard to aim properly. Light Arrows are effective, but they take up a lot of magic power and you don't get them until late in the game when you've probably already defeated most or all of the Big Octos. They're also somewhat hard to aim. So I personally think that the boomerang is the easiest way to kill a Big Octo, since it's very easy to aim, despite not being as powerful as bombs or arrows.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  20:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Geting eaten by the fire mountain octo on your way to the forest haven doesnt do anything that doesnt usualy hapen (You lose 1/4 energy and get spit to a random area near the mountain.)

I find the regular arrows easiest because you can lock onto the eye, shoot twice fast, then move on to the next eye. Mrs.MikauShadLink 15:56, 18 March, 2009

well yeah maybe the boomerang will work. but I am a great archer and I have a lot of magic, elixer soup, a lot of bombs, and a lot of arrows, so the light arrows work for me. Last time I killed a Big Octo, I only used Light arrows.Shade Link

That is, last time I killed one when I had Light Arrows (on second quest, but I am not gonna complete it just yet, but maybe recomplete the other second quest files I have)Shade Link

Even though every thing so far is a good way to beat the Big Octo, the Boomerang is the most efficent way to kill one. After all, it's easy to aim, it can hit up to 5 eyes at once, and can take less time then just trying to aim at an eye with a bomb or arrow. Forget power; it's all about efficiency, baby. Sincerely, Watcher

That all depends on how much of an item you have and how good you are with it, I constantly have soup and blue potions, a double magic bar, and 99 arrows so I can just fire aim lessly and kill an 8-eyed octo in about 25 seconds, the boomerang takes longer because you must wait for your ship to circle aroud to present more targets. From Midna Rocks. (Thanks for the idea Watcher, I've been coming here for a while and I think it's time I give myself SOME identification. My parents won't let me make an account either.)

You're welcome. It's nice to know that I've been able to help another faceless user get along in this community. Sincerely, Watcher

You can kill a big octo with less than 30 arrows, it doesn't matter about aiming, you can lock on to the eyes. MikauShadLink 22:37, 19 March, 2009

People can use whatever strategy they find the easiest. Let's just leave it at that.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty suprised about the results of this fight so far. I was expecting Big octo to lose because gyorg pair flies, and there are two of them in one fight. Dialask77 Ice Wizard   19:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Why would those facts make a difference?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:01, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Don'know. Guess it would appear to make them awesome... Oh well, NEXT FIGHT! Sincerely, Watcher. P.S.: I forgot to log on just now, but this is me. Don't say otherwise.


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Week 38: Dead Hand vs. ReDead Knight
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "DEAD HAND!" 25>8.5 IT'S TIME! Yessir, LLLLAAAAAAAAAAAADIIIIIIIIIESSSSSSSSSSS (hopefully, you do exist) AND GENTLEMEN, Zeldapedia is proud to bring you, for the 38th time, the Temple of Courage! And boy, this week will be one fiercely (un)deadly fight!
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In the one corner...we have an undead abomination whose appearance may or may not have been inspired by Michael Jackson...the bringer of nightmares of the braindead computer game addict generation...DEAD HAND!

And in the other...a mysterious undead swordsman that freezes the hearts of men (and Hylians, obviously) with its piercing scream...wreathed in the crimson red color of blood...REDEAD KNIGHT!

It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that this week's fight will be a good one! So...in the name of world peace, in the name of world profits...LET'S GET READY TO GRUMBLE, GRUMBLE!
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Votes for Dead Hand

 * 1) Dude, what can I say? Dead Hand, with its decidedly Silent Hill-ish appearance and sick squelching noises, genuinely scared me when I was a kid...and I'm not a guy who is easily frightened. Also, had to do the battle with a quarter of a heart left due to my friend being a bad player. Jesus, I played like me life was on the line. Can't say that for those second-rate enemies from Twilight Princess. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 02:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Has got to be one of, if not the scariest monster in The Legend of Zelda Mythos. Dark Ridley 03:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) The thing was just funner to fight for me--Twilitlink 05:15, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) If it had been Ocarina of Time ReDeads, probably them, for sheer TRAUMA OH GODDESSES. But as the TP ones are... not quite as nightmare fuel-ish, Dead Hand it is! --User:Ryttu3k
 * 5) I completely freaked out the first time I fought this thing. I can't really say that for the cheap ReDead ripoff over there.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) This thing is freaky and awsome. the other one is to easy to beat if you morph into wolf link and strike fast.  And when there are two you can get stuck between the two and just get hit until you die.   Metroidhunter32  14:19, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I find both of them creepy, but Dead Hands aren't as creepy as the Redead Knight. And, the fight is funner. user:dragonmaster kayla
 * 1) Dead Hand easily, you're meant to be a kid, in the bottom of a well, with a monster with one too many arms. Theo.twili
 * 2) Well, if it can't beat Link, it can at least give him leprosy...—[[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... )
 * 3) The second I stepped into the Bottom of the Well with the creepy music playing and the disturbing surroundings, I knew that there was something worse than ReDeads down there. (Honestly, I was expecting something traumatically scary, so this thing wasn't so bad. But still...) Portal-  Kombat
 * 4) I have to say, this was a tough decision. I mean, they're both pretty creepy, the ReDead Knight having its screech, its rotten look, and the giant sword. But I have to say, the Dead Hand is far creepier and cooler. I mean, what's more disturbing than walking into a room in a PLACE THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE A TORTURE CHAMBER THAN A TEMPLE and seeing a bunch of red and white arms sticking up out of the ground? Ugh. Sir Real
 * 5) Where to begin on this guy? He looks awesome, he fights in an awesom place, and if you're not careful, you're lunch (well, ReDeads do that too, but if you aren't careful around them, there's a good chance that you're not lunch). Plus, Dead Hand? Pure awesom. This guy could beat Chuck Norris! Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 6) ReDeads aren't that fun of enemies and these things are f'ing creepy. Oddball464 21:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) If the opposing enemy was a normal ReDead, it would have my vote, but it is a ReDead Knight, which is not as interesting as a regular ReDead or the Dead Hand. Eclair Blanc
 * 8) Dead Hand all the way! His looks may be deceiving, but he's not that easy to defeat. ReDead Knight can freeze you, sure, but Dead Hand can hold you down and EAT you. So, I'd rather face a ReDead Knight than Dead Hand ANY day. Daydreamer3173
 * 9) 16 Even though Redeads made me have to give up the Wind Waker when I was about 10-11(Those douchbags gave me nightmares!) I'd have to go for the Dead Hand. Reason why is because the TP redeads suck. When I first realized the next room I was enterin had areadead I was all "Ohhhh nooo" But when I faced him Im like "They call THAT scary?!" Tp redeads are like little gnats compared to OoT and WW redeads. User:UltimateChaosOverLordYanm
 * 10) Dead hand rulesss!! User:BetweenBlack&White
 * 11) Zelda never gave me nightmares until this guy showed up. Redeads have nothing on Dead Hand-What with his scary sway and the way he casually leans in to eat your head off, all the while, you're helplessly stuck in the grasp of long, bony hand! Guess ill be having more nightmares again. Katamariqueen 18:57, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) I vote Dead Hand!Zeldamaniac95
 * 13) Dead Hand was a fun fight. It was creepy and I like creepy. Of course, the wholoe Shadow Temple was creepy. Xicera 16:46, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) Creepy...--PoogMaster 01:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Very much Dead Hand. ReDead Knights were extremly annoying, but not that scary, and, unlike in OoT, very easy to kill.
 * 2) This is one of the most ugly and disgusting-looking monsters I ever fought in the Zelda series. He wasn't only annoying, but also a sub-boss in the Shadow Temple and a boss in the well. One bombarrow could kill a ReDead Knight, but the dead hand isn't beaten that easily.
 * 3) ReDead Knights seemed more combat-oriented than the ones in OoT (btw, they look more like Gibdos), and Dead Hand was scary because there was no indication that you were about to escape from a hand, if you get what I mean. ReDead Knights, unlike ReDeads in OoT, attack with a sword, which is much less creepy than grabbing you with a hand and biting you.
 * 4) THIS THING LOOKS CREEPY!! a redead has to walk to you, and take time to swing a sword at you, but a dead hand just simply walks up to you and chomps you in the face. owww......... a new member to come
 * 5) This thing scared the crap out of me when I first saw it in the bottom of the well, BUT IT LOOKED SO COOL!!! ReDead knights just scream and take a long time to swing their sword and the Ocarina of Time ReDeads are way better than they are. And Ocarina of Time is way better than Twilight Princess anyway. I also love the way the dead hand tries to chomp your head off.
 * 6) Dead hand guards both the eye of truth and the sacred feet. what else can I say?
 * 7) I think we can all agree that Dead Hand is true to it's name while Redead Knight isn't true to it's name until you kill him.Mr.Fairy
 * 8) I hate Redeads.


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Votes for ReDead Knight

 * 1) I almost shat myself when I first played Ocarina of Time and heard one of these things screech...  (I was 9 years old...) and the memory was brought back on my Gamecube Pianist Link  06:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) i like ocerina of time better then twilight princess but i didnt like those dead hands. there cowards! hide until linjk is pinned down. thats no way to fight. Oni Dark Link
 * 3) As much as i hate dealing with these guys, i have to say they should win. The paralyzing screech, the deathly sword, the horrible look all equals one heck of an enemy.Twoface13
 * 4) These guys are hard to beat, but the screeching sound and their scary appearence amkes them taht bit more awesome! Sheikah-link
 * 5) The Dead Hand has always irritated me and I always freak out when I'm immobilized by the ReDead, the first time I faced it he actualy killed me. Gbadude3
 * 6) The ReDead Knight is really hard to beat. You have to attack it from afar or you will be paralyzed by it. It's not a walk in the park. Bkarcher97
 * 7) I despise both of these creatures for the sheer fact that they scare the crap out of me, so I'll pick the coolest one- the ReDead Knight. SageofWater
 * 8) The Dead Hand is a pushover. Go ReDead Knight!!! Jarmihi

Anonymous votes

 * 1) The ReDead Knight could easily escape from Dead Hand's grip and then slice him in half. Believe me, if it came to a fight the ReDead Knight would win for sure. Whilst Dead Hand can be killed with enough sword swipes, the ReDead Knight can only be destroyed if their body is completely obliterated (explosion or smashing into microscopic dust with the ball-and-chain). Dead Hand can't do that now can he? Oh and BTY that dirt explosion would most certainly not do away with the ReDead Knight.


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Peanut Gallery
Does anybody find the opening statement for the two battles a little offensive? I'm sort of on the fence. Girls do play video games, but there is a tendancy for more men to play than women. Mrs.MikauShadLink 20:16, 8 March, 2009
 * We must adhere to the stereotypes that modern society has given us. 03:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't particularly see the problem. All it's saying is that there aren't that many female video game players (which, unfortunately, is true), and that hopefully there are some reading the message.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Some girls are definitely reading it! (And have been playing video games since age five!) I dunno, the whole stereotype of girls not playing video games may have been true, say, five years ago (where the whole, "You play VIDEO GAMES?" line of questioning was just plain exasperating), but it's not so true these days. --Ryttu3k 08:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I think that nintendo games probally have a bunch of girl gamers but mainstream gaming has to many scantaly clad women for them to want to play those. I personaly see nothing wrong with girl gamers.  Metroidhunter32  14:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

is there no pictures of dead hands with out a picture of link? Oni Dark Link

One week. One week without someone blowing one little comment out of proportion is all I ask for! My kingdom for a week! Sincerely, Watcher.

I didn't mean anything like that Watcher! I'm sorry! I was born in a small town where most of the girls were hard-core gamers, but now most of the girls are the "OMG do my extensions match my nails?!" kind. I didn't know what to think, so I asked other peoples' opinions. I'm sorry! Mrs.MikauShadLink 22:27, 9 March, 2009

That thing with the girls in your town is a tragic devolution. I always get depressed when I hear stories like that, no exaggeration.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I get so depressed, as well. It makes me sad to think that women have sunk so low as to ask one another "where they got their boobs done". (a random girl came up to me and asked, then ran away in tears when I slapped her. Go the natural way!) Mrs.MikauShadLink 22:50, 9 March, 2009

I hope the achemen vs. vire fight wins so I can see if Achemen can stand up in a fight against wizzrobe... Anyone like my new sig? Dialask77 Ice Wizard   14:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, the "Ice Wizard" part is a bit hard to read on this gray background, and the white background around the picture kind of conflicts....I mean, I really like it, but it kind of conflicts with the gray background of the comment section.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  17:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

My deities! Have we finally found a fight were Twilight Princess is not the designated winner?Dark Ridley 17:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

It's happened before. King Bulblin lost to Iron Knuckle. Deku Toad lost to Wart. Ashei lost to Nabooru.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

i hope achemen vrs vire wins too. i want to see a zelda ii fighter in the temple of courage ive also decided that i am now looking for people who played and enjoyed zelda ii because im the only one i know of Oni Dark Link

I have Zelda II on the Collector's Editon Gamecube game, and it's my least favorite Zelda game, although the first Four Swords could be worse, I don't know (I've only played Four Swords Adventures, and I got to the Tower of Winds.) Portal-  Kombat

Well the ice wizard stays silver because I think it looks cool (and is appropriate), but I don't know how to make the background based on the current background.... Dialask77 Ice Wizard   20:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

lol ReDead Knight is getting spanked. Pianist Link 00:59, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's a physical impossibility for StubbyArm McToothrot to spank anything, duder. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 05:44, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Especially with ReDead Knight's screech. Pianist Link 06:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Has anyone been to this site? http://thespeedgamers.com/  currently they are working on the last leg (twilight princess) of a 3 day every zelda game marathon. All for a good cause. Dialask77 Ice Wizard   23:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Watching somebody else play video games...wow, doesn't that sort of defeat the entire purpose? It may be for a good cause, but Jebus, people need lives. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 23:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For some people, it's just as much fun to watch somebody play a game as it is to play it themselves. And if it's for a good cause, then that justifies it further. Portal-  Kombat

Isnt it time for the next battle?Darkest-Link123 13:40, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


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Week 37: Orca vs. Rusl
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Rusl" (17 1/2 < 23) LLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BOYS AND GIRLS, CHILDREN OF ALL AGES! Zeldapedia proudly brings to you the thirty-seventh week of gruesome, gory action...THIS IS THE TEMPLE OF COURAGE! BOOYA! And this week good sirs and madams, 'tis a fight between two gladiators; these two masters of swordplay will slice and dice until nothing is left. So...who will it be?
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First, we have an elderly gentleman and once a proud warrior on the Great Sea...despite his age, he can still enter the fray and exit as the victor whenever the situation presents itself...a true swordsman...ORCAAAAAAAAAAA!

And his opponent, the (other) yellow-haired protector of Ordon Village...he was among the greatest fencers in Hyrule in the era he lived in...and now, he has returned to this no-man's-land between past and present to do battle...this...is...RUSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Need I say more, people? Those who are about to die are sponsored by Snacky S'mores! LET's FIGHT!
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Votes for Orca

 * 1) Rusl is pretty generic and boring. Orca isn't all tha unique or original either, but there's something about him that makes him stand out. I don't know what it is about him, but I like him anyway.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) According to Fire Emblem, spear beats sword. Unless that sword is a lance reaver...but I don't Rusl has one of those. -- Moblin   Slayer [[Image:Ice Wizzrobe (The Minish Cap).gif]] 00:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Orca is the only person in the Zelda series able to withstand over 1000 sword strikes. Rusl looks like he'd collapse in about two hits. He swings his sword like an idiot when you approach him as Wolf Link. Portal-  Kombat
 * 4) He actually has a shadow of a past. For instance why is a swordsman never seen with anything other than a harpoon?   Metroidhunter32  03:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) This guy just looks mean, I mean c'mon he has no pupils, he's carrying (and can wield) a gigantic spear bigger than he is, the list goes on and on—[[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 12:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Orca is much more memorable. And he makes a really cool noise when he attacks you! haha. -SageofWater
 * 7) Orca was the only guy on Outset Island who knew swordplay until he taught Link. He even taught Link the greatest attack ever! The Hurricane Spin! User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 8) I personally think that Orca did much more for Link as far as training, while Rusl only (techincly) gave Link his sword and got him into the Temple of Time. Plus, the Hurricane Spin is really cool. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 9) Orca is a far better swordsman than Rusl, from what I can tell. Plus, he knows the hurricane spin, and he trained Link. SirReal
 * 10) Orca is just...awesome. Jarmihi
 * 11) didnt like rusl. he was too... i dont know. just didnt like him. enjoyed orca fights though (except the over 1000 one thats insane) Oni Dark Link
 * 12) rusl didn't teach link, but orca did. Solar flute
 * 13) I agree with oni dark link. I like windwake, and I always thought orca was cool. Xicera 01:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) My vote goes to Orca.. come on, have you ever seen a guy try to get an item on top of his shelve witch he can't reach? I bet it's to high for Rusl too but he would break his shoulder by hitting the wall... Who put it there anyway? it's his own home..
 * 2) OOORCAAA OOORCAAA OOORCAAA
 * 3) hey guess what...orca pones because a)he can take 1000 hits b4 crying b)polearm beats sword (yeah im geeky, get over it) c)he has more story d)hes like the yoda of zelda (he shouldve fought the guy from MM instead of Rusl)
 * 4) well i can clearly see rusl is an odd person so yea i'm going with orca
 * 5) Just look at their pictures. Seriously.  Look at their pictures and honestly tell me which one looks manlier.  Yeah, that's what I thought.
 * 6) Rusl gives you an ugly, hand-me-down OLD wooden sword. Orca gices you a beutiful blade.
 * 7) Orca rules! hello, he gots a knight's crest, duh...
 * 8) What is wrong with you people? Orca is way cooler than Rusl, who, IMO, is a totally useless coward. Does he even help you, at all? Orca is an awesome old guy who can kick your ass at sword fighting, and this is coming from someone who hates old people. Need I say more?
 * 9) ORCA RULEZ!!! I hate the cheap wooden sword.


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Votes for Rusl

 * 1) Rusl is a cool guy. While he's a coward and doesn't really do anything useful, like, ever, he's still cool. Most useless swordsman ever too...but! At least he isn't a dementia-ridden decrepit old man who utters sick-ass screams whenever someone screws up during training. Creepy! -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 22:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Rusl has a wife and kids and has an actual role on the plot, unlike Orca, who never leaves his house and has no affect on the main plot other than giving Link his sword. Plus, Rusl saves Link at Hyrule Castle. LapisScarab 00:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) I prefer Rusl because he's a character that moves; he doesn't stay in just one village or field, he goes everywhere. Orca stays in his house with his butthead, bighead brother. He protects his village when monsters come, instead of that old coot who just says "Monsters come out at night". Mrs.MikauShadLink 20:29, 1 March, 2009
 * 4) I like Rusl because he actually saves Link on his adventure, not like that old fart. Oddball464 17:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Rusl hands down, Orca had no personality and Rusl was a better teacher, he taught Link so well HE could teach people. Also he actually does something in the storyDarkest-Link123 03:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) He is the first character to be shown in the game.  He sharpened Link's Wooden Sword, and crafted the Ordon Sword (that Link eventually...  stole).  He's a member of "The Group".  He's pretty darn good with a hawk.  He has a golden Cucco.  That's all some pretty cool stuff right there. Pianist Link  21:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) rusl no fight.(Coolicolo)
 * 8) Rusl was a competent swordsman in a Hyrule where swordsmanship mattered very much. Orca was an old man who barely had memories of swordsmanship because he lived in a time and place where it was no longer common. Rusl's younger age and better agility would likely overpower the older and more limited in knowledge Orca. Orca knew how to use the sword, but he likely only knew fragments of what Rusl knew. Rusl would just be in an overall better position to win this battle I feel. Hero of Time 87 15:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) rusl's a lot cooler than some old dude waving a harpoon around. DarkBeastGanon 15:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) I liked both games a lot and both characters taught us something about the sword. However, Rusl just seems like a better-suited character for the title of best swordsman. Orca was just a little weird. Golden Power 15:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) this guy just has more style than cap'n ahab over on the other side, end of story. LegendofZelda92 15:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) i'm gonna have to go with this guy, cause the other guy was just a little freaky, like those old men that lure little boys into their houses and....well you know. Heroofhyrule 15:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) Took me a while to decide, but rusl actually faces you down bravely and tries to protect his family when he thinks you are a twilight monster. Though he seemed afraid, wouldn't we all have been if a ferocious shadow wolf looked like it was going to eat you? Dialask77 15:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) Rusl is pretty cool. He moves from place to place and protects his pregnant wife when he thinks your going to kill her. Orca doesn't do anything! Zeldamaniac95
 * 15) definitely rusl. like someone else said, i just don't see much use in an old guy waving a harpoon around like he's hunting moby dick. Zeldarocks1989 23:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) Rusl is just way to awesome, he will definitely be the winner. Also, his "friend" the golden cuccoo is cool as well.[[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Seasons).gif]]--Twoface13 01:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[[Image:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Ages).gif]]
 * 17) i concur, rusl bests orca by far and large. Midnalover89 02:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 18) eh...i just like this guy better, he's not so strange as the old dude. Sageofshadow 02:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 19) Rusl didn't spend him time in the bottom floor of his house annoying his brother (if he even has one). He stood up against the Bulblins that invaded Ordon Village after the kids were kidnapped. He deserves this win. Leo604 11:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Rusl would probably kick Orca's ass 6 ways to Sunday. While they're both skilled swordsman you have to be unique to be both a good guy and a villain at certain points in the story (during the Wolf Link part in Ordon Village, Rusl is somewhat of an antagonist). Stand next to him for 2 seconds and you're dead. Also he can handle a hawk that he used to save Link from getting his head impaled by Bulblin arrows. Even if hypothetically Orca won in a sword duel (which doesn't look like it's going to happen), Rusl would just call that hawk and have it gouge Orca's eyes out. Go Rusl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * 2) Rusl can play hard and won't be liable to age like Orca.
 * 3) Rusl is a REAL swordsman and much better of a character, whereas Orca is some out of shape flat character who doesnt know what hes doing when it comes to swordplay
 * 4) Rusl and Orca were both kind of annoying, but Rusl had some really good moments (that is, saving me the trouble of killing a freakish amount of enemies) but Orca was just annoying. Also, he hit me. A lot. That does not get forgiven.
 * 5) Orca was just a silly character to me, I mean he gives Link a sword yet he never uses one himself, instead resorting to waving a harpoon around like a crazy old coot. I just see Rusl as a more serious and competent wielder of the sword.
 * 6) Rusl is actually part of the story line, unlike Orca who is just there to give Link the sword. Rusl may not do that much, but he shows Link how to get to one of the temples and helps in the end as part of the rebellion.  Go Rusl!
 * 7) Rusl rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * 8) Rusl. And i'm not just saying that because he's from Twilight Princess. At least he has a backstory, unlike Orca (who's name happens to sound like a whale).


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Peanut Gallery
What do you mean by "coward that doesn't do anything useful"? LapisScarab 00:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Interesting Fire Emblem analogy, Moblin slayer. Of course, the lance also loses if it's an axereaver, unless the lance is an axereaver and the sword is a lancereaver.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Rusl's Golden Cucco was more heroic and useful than Rusl himself. On a related subject, who else here has hit Orca 1000 times before he hits you three times? That was so tedious, but worth it because he breaks the fourth wall :) Portal-  Kombat

I did it, although it took me a pretty long time. I usually get tired around 450 hits.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Originally, I was gonna put that even if Rusl had a lance reaver Orca might win against it if he had an Axe reaver, but then that would lead to a long chain of how one could beat the other...-- Moblin  Slayer  19:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC) Moblin Slayer, It is possible in fire emblem to have a lance and beat an axe weilder. That is because if you have a steel sword against an iron axe, what has a slight more power?

Of course, following the recent influx of logical thinking around here, Rusl's strength stat could easily be way beyond Orca's anyway, had the game had RPG stats. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 01:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Interesting how we're trying to relate the Legend of Zelda series and the Fire Emblem series when the only significant similarity is that they're both medieval.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...isn't this when someone tries to convince us that Fire Emblem and Zelda take place in the same universe? And that Marth is Link's great-great-grandfather's second cousin twice removed? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 01:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Which Link?  Metroidhunter32  02:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok ok, enough of the relating zelda to Fire Emblem. I mean sheesh. The only relation is that Lyon is Vaati's gret great grandfather and that they are both medieval! Dialask77 02:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That, and the fact that I used an image of Lyon as one of my characters for a fanfic on ZF...wait, does that relate? -- Moblin  Slayer [[Image:Ice Wizzrobe (The Minish Cap).gif]] 19:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Only if you want it to. Portal-  Kombat

i think i clicked the wrong link. isnt this zeldapedia? o wait its zeldaemblenpedia. next temple of courage fight link v marth Oni Dark Link

I'm cheering for marth personally. Dialask77 15:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

would be a fun thing to do. not on zeldapedia of course maybe a poll on the smas wiki. id have to vote link though Oni Dark Link

That was already settled in a Melee Event match. Marth beats Link.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I hate Marth. Roy was so much cooler with his BOMB SWORD in Melee. I'm not a Fire Emblem fan, though. My favorite "obscure" series is MOTHER all the way. Portal- Kombat
 * I wouldn't say it's "obscure". I mean, I hear a lot about Earthbound at least, if not the sequels. Now, games like Uncle Julius and the Anywhere Machine (which is pretty awesome...) I've never even heard mentioned anywhere. Aaaaaanyway, could someone please help us find the topic that disappeared at some point? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 21:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Can't say I'm a fan of Marth either; he's really the generic "honorable prince" character. Nothing interesting about him at all. He's not that impressive in the Super Smash Bros. games, either. Also, I don't feel that Fire Emblem or Mother are obscure at all. Not nearly as popular as the Mario or Zelda series, but really popular in their own rights.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, Fire Emblem and MOTHER aren't nearly as obscure as... whatever AK said. They just tend to be the series' whose characters are usually rediscovered through Smash Bros. I learned about Ness and Lucas through Melee. And on the topic of the fight, I have to say this is pretty balanced so far. However, Rusl is going to win and prove once again that people have some strange urge to vote for characters from Twilight Princess. Portal- Kombat

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/Kaizer13/Objection.gif I must object to that statement: I don't think most people vote for Twilight Princess characters by default. I can't speak on behalf of everyone, but saying that people automatically vote Twilight Princess seems a bit narrow-minded and generalizing to me. It doesn't "prove" anything about anyone. I don't see that many comments comparing one game to another here either...which is a good thing. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 02:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

That could have been a bit smaller AK, but I didn't realize that rusl was from tp...If I had I would have voted for him almost... automatically... *makes beeping robot sounds* Dialask77 02:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh... I didn't say that there was anything WRONG with being an instant Twilight Princess voter. Some people vote for a certain character because they like the game that person was in better. I nearly always vote Wind Waker, it's my favorite game. Portal- Kombat

anonymous voter for orca, it's spelled pwns, not pones. (I spend way too much time on the internet) Solar flute

Um, how is it narrow-minded at all? All Portal-Kombat is saying is that most people vote for Twilight Princess things for some strange reason. That's a straight fact. He's not necessarily saying anybody's saying that people vote for them because they're from Twilight Princess, just that people tend to vote for thing that happen to be from Twilight Princess.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I will admit that I am a little bit partial to TP. But I always vote for who's better no matter what game they are from. Also I think the reason that everyone votes for TP characters is that having never played a zelda game before they played TP then came here for one reason or another and are the zelda versions of Halo fanboys who won't listen to a word against them. Trust me I see a lot of fanboys who fit that description.  Metroidhunter32  14:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, so what you're trying to say is that TP has a definite fanbase advantage in battles? That, agree with. I wish people could base their votes on the character itself rather than the game it appears in though. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 15:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry AK but you know what they say about wishing in one hand and doing something else in the other do see which one fills up faster. I agree that they should vote for the better character, but I find it unlikely that they will. but it was close for a while and orca was winning at first so it wasn't a bad fight. Dialask77 14:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

TP only wins a lot because everything (well mostly) is better, honestly I am shocked Orca did this well, he wasnt much of a character and TWW is the most bashed Zelda out thereDarkest-Link123 00:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh man, I just knew a Twilight Princess fanboy would get involved in this conversation at some point. Look, please just take your insulting comments elsewhere. Nobody wants to hear you insult a perfectly good game.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:05, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Dont make an argument out of things, I didnt insult any Zelda game, the closest I got to insulting it was saying that WW is the most bashed 3D game, and it is, I didnt say I hate it, but saying WW isnt the most bashed game is like saying nobody found Navi annoying.Darkest-Link123 03:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thing is, it's common knowledge that people don't like Navi. On the other hand, Wind Waker being the "most bashed game" is your own personal opinion that is not shared by a significant amount of people. And in actuality, both statements are insults; Navi fans just tend to let it roll off of them since Navi haters are so common, so you don't see many people saying that they're insults, while in actuality they are. And I'm not making an argument out of things; I'm just asking you to please not insult Wind Waker, or any other game for that matter.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  04:08, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Seriously? Ok looking at the sales 20-50% of the Zelda fans didnt play it JUST because of the cell shading, then we can go into the game and hear the sailing rants. I see more WW hate than Navi hate to be honestDarkest-Link123 04:21, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Look, I'm not getting involved in this. If my not responding will shut you up with your close-minded opinionated comments, I'm fine not talking to you.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:07, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Im afraid you have to learn that sales are facts, theres no opinion in it.Darkest-Link123 06:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Try looking at the real world and seeing what people actually think of the game instead of checking the statistics and making close-minded assumptions. I think you'll find that a lot of people that have actually tried this game like it (well, actually, no you won't; I doubt you'd be open-minded enough to actually realize that some people have different opinions). People automatically look at the game's cartoony graphics and say "Oh, that game must have been made for 7-year-olds" and boycott it without even trying it. So no, in this case, sales are not facts, as they have no significance to the subject at hand; sales do not necessarily mean anything in terms of the quality of the game. Also, regardless of whether Wind Waker is considered bad or not, that is a bit of an aside. The point is that you shouldn't insult games that certain people like, whether or not you or anybody else thinks they're bad. It's fine to exert your own opinion (for example, you can say that you found the game annoying, boring, frustrating, etc.), but simply saying that the game is bad (or "bashed", in your words) is generally not excepted.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  07:44, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

i personly like navi and think wind waker is a fantastic game and (in my opnion) is better then twilight princess and can even rival ocerina of time. Oni Dark Link

XZ and Darkest-Link, let's not go too far with all this now. I think, reading what you guys have already written, that this has been blown way out of proportion. Darkest-Link, you stated the fact that Twilight Princess had greater sales records than The Wind Waker, and that The Wind Waker is one of the most criticized of all the Zelda games due to its cel-shading, which are both true. And XZ, you are making the point that just because one game has lower sales than the other does not negate the quality of the game itself in the eyes of those who have actually played it, which is also very true. Look guys, both of you are making valid arguments here, but I think it's just gotten blown way out of proportion. XZ, I don't think Darkest-Link is necessarily criticizing The Wind Waker, merely just stating what we all already know, that the art style didn't go over as well with the public as that of Twilight Princess, hence why not as many people were willing to take it seriously at first. However it grew on people enough that it became one of Nintendo's best-sellers on its Gamecube list, they even made a new box for it giving it that title years ago. I personally love The Wind Waker, and after playing it through once or twice, the cel-shading does indeed grow on you. However, Twilight Princess did indeed blow me away as far as graphics go. Now in terms of story and game quality, I'd say the two are evenly matched, but the sales records may not show that due to the general public being more skeptical of The Wind Waker due to its look. I liked The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess both equally to be honest, both had a compelling story and had good graphics when you looked at them in an objective way. But my true love has always been and will always be Ocarina of Time. No game will ever completely top it. They may match it, but never top it.

And for the record, while I did find Navi a bit annoying at times, I still liked her as a character regardless. Hero of Time 87 15:28, 7 March 2009 (UTC) Im not saying thats bad either, people have different opinions. True the people who played it liked it for the most part, just like any other Zelda game, I myself liked it. But sales kinda are statistics for it, if about half of the LoZ fans boycotted it do you think WW is going to have a lot of love going on for it? No, its not fair and I'm not saying its a good thing but just because the basher didnt even buy the game doesnt mean he wont bash it anymore.Darkest-Link123 15:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)Oh whoops I edited at the wrong time, well Hero of Times right, lets stop thisDarkest-Link123 15:41, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I should start a club or something whose sole purpose is to find something for wizzrobe to fight. I mean seriously I have been thinking about this for weeks... XYZ you are a brilliant mind, can you think of anything? Dialask77 03:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've got it! It doesn't involve Wizzrobe, but it's similar...Veran vs. Aghanim!  The two masters of magic.  In the meantime, I'll think of something to face Wizzrobe...-- Moblin   Slayer [[Image:Ice Wizzrobe (The Minish Cap).gif]] 03:44, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Anyone know why this looks screwed up? -- Moblin  Slayer  20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

It's all the exclamation marks on that anonmys vote.  Metroidhunter32  21:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


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Week 36: Igos du Ikana vs. Master Stalfos
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Igos du Ikana" (18 > 4 1/2) LLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! Please direct your attention towards the two rising figures at opposite sides of the arena, and you shall see the begining of a real treat: The beginning of the 36th week of THE TEMPLE OF COURAGE! All right!
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In the red corner, we have a tall, decorated figure. The ruler of Ikana, he wields a sword and shield, haunts the Ancient Castle of Ikana, and is (reluctantly) too tough to die, it's IGOS DU IKANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

In the opposite blue corner, we have a rising Stalfos, who is different from most of his kind. He rules the Stalfos, also wields a sword and shield, persistently pursues Link throughout his home in the Catfish's Maw, and is also too tough to die, it's MASTER STALFOOOOOOOOOOOS!

Two rulers of undead races, two skeleton men who, like Tombstone, are too tough to die, two monsters who have nothing to lose but their unlife! Who will win? I'll leave that up to you, voters! I hate to waffle, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!
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Votes for Igos du Ikana

 * 1) "Believing in your friends and embracing belief by forgiving failure... these feelings have vanished from our hearts." He said something like this, I think, after you defeated him and his two lackeys. I think it was one of the most powerful lines in Majora's Mask (although there's a wide selection of those) and it made him more than just some forced mini-boss.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 2) the dude was a king--Twilitlink 05:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) An insanely powerful swordsman, a King, teaches you the elegy of emptiness, and presides near one of the most amazing places in the Zelda universe?  Igos gets my vote. Dialask77 07:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) He's the king of an undead kingdom. As if that wasn't enough, he has two servants.  I mean, the Master Stalfos doesn't even have one servant! -- Moblin   Slayer [[Image:Ice Wizzrobe (The Minish Cap).gif]] 14:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) He looks cool, he's the ruler of an undead nation, he has two servants, and has some of the most effective lines in the game. (Mailtoad)
 * 6) He's king.  the end.   Metroidhunter32  21:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Igos has two servants, and they were all a pain to fight. Also I like the scene if you put on the Captain's Hat and it confuses Igos. Oddball464 15:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Loved the fight. Can't get much better than a detachable head. — [[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 00:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) This was hard for me. Igos is a pain in the derrier to fight, and Master Stalfos comes up 4 times. I cannot stand repeated fight at all. Plus, Igos has servants and is smart enough to realize you're not the captain. Mrs.MikauShadLink
 * 10) Far more than just a miniboss. Plus, I love the Elegy of Emptiness. And you can't go past a detachable head! - (ryttu3k)
 * 11) its all been said already. igos is a king not an annoying four time mini boss. you fight him once and he acts very kingly about it. plus he has guards and two easter eggs in his fight (i count the guard fight as part of the fight) Oni Dark Link
 * 12) he looks cool!Zeldamaniac95
 * 13) Jarmihi Better fighter, different strategies in 3-D than in 2-D.  Along with the writer of the second anonymous vote, Igos du Ikana will probably obliterate Master Stalfos.
 * 14) Igos is one of the few mini-boss who provides interest. In most mini-boss fights, it's basically kill and move on. Igos on the other hand, provides a bit of background of what happend to his kind.  So he's clearly my vote --Lore master 04:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) Igos Du Ikana is not only a ruler in his own right, but his battle was far more difficult than Master Stalfos. Igos also has greater dexterity and faster reflexes than Master Stalfos, so this is a no-brainer. Hero of Time 87 18:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) Ikana Kingdom owns. So does he. I LOVED the Ikana Kingdom part of mm, so here I am. Xicera 01:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) I know neither of them, and I haven't fought any of them but this one looks cooler and his page is longer.
 * 2) Our buddy Igos would probably just obliterate Master Stalfos with his flaming throwing head attack.
 * 3) IGOS!IGOS!IGOS!
 * 4) Igos was really fun to fight scince his head can come off and eat you. And his servants dance when you play music with the breman mask. IT WAS SO AWESOME!


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Votes for Master Stalfos

 * 1) This was an extremely tough decision for me, and I think that Igos du Ikana is incredibly awesome, but I have to admit that he's kind of a pain to fight (I still can't figure out how to dodge that attack where he removes his head.....also, he uses his shield way too much). Granted, Igos' Servants, Garo, and pretty much Ikana in itself are all miles ahead of Master Stalfos, but the fight with Igos just kind of put me off a little. Also, this guy is pretty persistent, you have to fight him 4 times.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) What can I say? Master Stalfos and his tricky "rematches"/hide 'n' seek game stumped me for a good two hours back when I first played Link's Awakening. When I fought him, I blinked and managed to kill Igos du Ikana. Besides, I love these fights where ya have to strike the guy and bomb the crap out of him. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 07:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Come on. You all now that Master Stalfos is the best. You have to fight him, like, about 3 times...I think. User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 4) As cool as an undead king is, a skeleton king of Stalfos who does not leave you alone (restraining order anyone?) is much cooler. Sincerely, Watcher.

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Ok iv'e decided to put stalfos in the number one spot on my top ten most powerful enemys list So master stalfos would knock stalfos right off the whole list! Mr.Fairy


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Peanut Gallery
One thing I don't get. In the intro to the fight it says that Igos Du Ikana haunts the Stone Tower Temple. I remember him being a mini-boss in the Ancient Castle of Ikana, not the tower. That was the place you went after you defeated him and got the Elegy of Emptiness. Portal- Kombat
 * Yep, guess Watcher messed up. Meh, we all do, right? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 07:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Watcher can't really be blamed- the problem with Majora's Mask is that it's hard to tell the difference between certain places and actual dungeons. For example, would you consider "Bottom of the Well" a dungeon in Majora's Mask? I've also heard the term "mini-dungeon" used to describe places in Ocarina of Time like the Ice Cavern and Gerudo Training Ground. Portal-  Kombat

I would not consider bottom of the well a dungeon in Majora's Mask, as it is in OOT

Bottom of the Well isn't really a mini-dungeon, since it doesn't really have anything that would constitute it as a dungeon other than a prize (the Mirror Shield), such as keys, puzzles, or a boss or mini-boss (I guess you could say that the Big Poe is the boss, but that's kind of a weak argument). You basically just go from one room to the next and fight a couple enemies along the way, but that's pretty much it. On the other hand, I would consider Ice Cavern and Gerudo Training Ground mini-dungeons because they have prizes, keys, puzzles, and overall a mini-dungeon-like feel to them. Additionally, Ice Cavern has a compass, map, and boss (I do consider the White Wolfos the boss, despite it being insanely weak).  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you stupid? The bottom of the Well is in OOT, and you get the lens of truth. where are you people getting this crap from? It is NOT in Majoras Mask, and you dont get the mirror sheild.

Well, the White Wolfos did have that other battle theme for when you fought it, so I guess you could call it a boss/miniboss. Portal- Kombat

Besides the fact that this doesn't really have much to do with Igos vs Master Stalfos... I think that bottom of the well IS a mini-dungeon because it, unlike most overworld places, has traps. It is dark, it is underground it is small...it sounds to me like it constitutes as a mini-dungeon. Big poe is more fearsome than white wolfos and lets not forget that wallmasters never appear anywhere besides dungeons and mini-dungeons. Dialask77 02:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Anyone ever heard of a long day? I was tired, I saw Stone Tower Temple, and assumed that it was where he lived. And we all know what you get if you spell "assume" out... Incidently, we really need to archive Weeks 31 through 34, 'cause this page is getting really long... Sincerely, Watcher
 * Hmm, maybe you should do this kind of stuff when you have more time to immerse yourself in the participants in the future? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 02:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wha? Sincerely, Watcher.

It is amazing how many people (including me) voted for Igos just because he is king.  Metroidhunter32  21:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

The dark, underground, and small points don't really mean anything. I mean, that little grave in the Kakariko Graveyard in Ocarina of Time in which you get a Hylian Shield is all those things, but that definitely isn't a mini-dungeon. Traps don't have to appear only in dungeons. Also, I can think of at least one place that is not a dungeon or mini-dungeon in which Wallmasters appear (I'm sure there are more, but I can think of one off the top of my head): that area beneath Dampe's house where you fight the Big Poe for a bottle. So no, Wallmasters appear in places other than dungeons and mini-dungeons. Whether or not Big Poe is more powerful than White Wolfos does not matter; White Wolfos is a climactic boss fight that you fight in the last room of Ice Cavern, whereas Big Poe is found in a side room and does not even have to be fought in order to complete the Bottom of the Well (it's certainly very convenient to do so, yes, but it's not necessary). While certain minibosses don't have to be fought, such as King Bulblin (the Hyrule Castle fight) and Gohma (Link's Awakening), certainly all bosses should be fought. Also, it doesn't have a very mini-dungeon-like feel to it; instead of steadily progressing through the dungeon solving puzzles in order to go to the next area, you play fetch-the-deku-nut with a Gibdo. Half the time, you'll be leaving the Bottom of the Well in order to get the item you need. It's really more of a collect-a-thon than a mini-dungeon, in my opinion. In addition, why have two mini-dungeons (Bottom of the Well and Ancient Castle of Ikana) back to back?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * They might've had more mini-dungeons in Majora's Mask to make up for the fact that there were only 4 full dungeons in the game compared to Ocarina of Time's NINE (and at least 3 mini-dungeons as well). It's been a while since I did the Gibdo well maze in Majora's Mask so I'm probably mistaken about this, but I recall that one of the gibdos in my way wanted a Big Poe soul "A ghost... and a big one at that!" but I forget whether or not that path was necessary. Also, the white wolfos, while a necessary mini-boss to reach the Iron Boots, is not the first thing that comes to mind when I think of a "climactic boss fight" although by definition, it is. Maybe they intentionally wanted it to be strange that the mini-boss died in like a hit because they knew the soon-to-come Water Temple would be intense. Portal-  Kombat

Right, but if they were to several mini-dungeons, it would be so much better to spread them out. Also, it is indeed on a necessary path, but you're forgetting that there's another Big Poe in the game, and if you kill that one, it's quite possible to get it to that Gibdo. It's insanely inconvenient (seeing as you have to cram it into the night of the final day), and very few people would actually go out of their ways to do it, but my point is that you don't absolutely have to fight it, as you do with pretty much every boss. When I said climactic, I meant that it was in the last room and the prize appeared when you killed it, not that it was epic or anything like that.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  04:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The way I see it XYZ is that it can't qualify as a dungeon, it can't qualify as the overworld, and  mini-dungeon rolls off the tongue a good bit better than a run-and-fetch-the-deku-sticky-place. As such, unless we should create a new type of section for non-overworld places to fall under which would be mostly for this place in particular, the best thing to call it IS a minidungeon. Dialask77 13:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I guess I can't argue with that, although I still personally don't think that it's a mini-dungeon. Also, now that I think about it, I think that either the Big Poe room led to a cow that you could use to access the milk room, which led to the Mirror Shield, or the cow was in a different place and was needed to get into the milk room, which led to the Big Poe that you could use to access the Big Poe room, which led to the Mirror Shield. Either way, fighting the Big Poe isn't necessary, but it's far less necessary in the former option, since milk is far easier to come by than a Big Poe.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  18:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

the big poe is neseary, at least having one is necessary, fighting that exact one isnt. maybe it should be called a mini minidungeon. Oni Dark Link

Alright, I loaded my completed game and played through the Bottom of the Well. Assuming you take the most optimal path, the way it goes is 5 Magic Beans -> Fish -> Big Poe -> Milk. The Big Poe is off in a side room in the southeast corner (if you look at the map, it's the large square room). I experimented with trying to fight the Big Poe that guards the bottle and it's actually quite easy to defeat it and get it the Gibdo as long as you play the Inverted Song of Time (maybe even if you don't). I can now confirm that, while you must fight a Big Poe, you are not required to fight the Big Poe in the Bottom of the Well. It's also in a very remote corner of the area and isn't even in the climactic position of being the last thing required to get into the Mirror Shield room (that goes to milk), whereas Igos du Ikana, White Wolfos, Dead Hand, etc. are all found right there guarding the prize. Due to this, I don't think that Big Poe counts as a boss, and if it doesn't even have a boss, I don't consider it a mini-dungeon.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Why the bloody 'ell is the "Votes" section for Master Stalfos blue? We all know how difficult it makes it to see anyone's signature who hasn't altered it. Can we change it?--Bek The Conqueror 03:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY Everybody!!!!!!!! Sorry iv'e become crazy since i haven't been on Zealdapedia for a month! By the way, have any of you noticed that the gray corner in the temple of courage is pink? And Xykeb Zraliv, please don't get angry just because I said that.Sinceraly,Mr.Fairy

Hey AK, could you tell me how you the third boss in the origonal zelda game? He's driving me nuts! Another thing, Iv'e heard about the White sowrd but I can't find it! If you can take the time to do that tell me where to go from the start screen.Sinceraly, Mr.Fairy

Hey xyz,could you tell me if its possible to put things on a user's talk page if not a user?Mr.Fairy

I never get "angry". I just sometimes point out that you're wrong; there's a huge difference. And yes, you can put comments on other people's talk pages even if you're not a user. Also, please just ask people things on their talk pages. This is the Temple of Courage, not a place for you to ask people things completely unrelated to anything having to do with the Temple of Courage. This is not your own personal space on Zeldapedia and you really don't have a right to treat it as such.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Err, Mr. Fairy, could you please talk about the fight or something similar in the comment section? This isn't a walkthrough. If you won't stay on the subject, things will happen. Oh yeah, and Zraliv? Saying that you "never get angry" sounds kinda strange to me...I mean, EVERYONE gets angry. Of course, you might mean in discussions and such yeah? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 04:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, forgot to put the second half of that sentence. I meant to say that I never get angry at Mr. Fairy.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

You know, I don't really see much difference between these two. What's the difference between an undead skeleton and an undead skeleton?

You swore not to acknowledge it Watcher, don't talk to Mister Fairy, immitation is the sincerest form of flatery, he hasn't said anything against you yet... AAAAAAAAAUUUUUGH! Sincerely, Watcher

To the anonymous user: clearly you're one of those people that stereotypes all undead skeletons as the same thing. These are far different in terms of battle strategies, appearances, personalities, and plot significance.

To Watcher: Say what? Sorry, I really don't get what you just said.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I was just saying that the last time he came around, he was really anoying, and I don't want to get involved in anything now that he's back. Sincerely, Watcher

I hope next week we get a more challenging fight.whos with me?Mr.Fairy

TO MR. FAIRY: My favorite fight was "The Group" vs. "Tetra's Pirates" even if there was some arguing, I think that was the coolest fight. I'm going to look and see if next week's fight is more challenging. Portal- Kombat


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