User talk:WiseAdventurer/Archives

Jedimasterlink (talk) 00:18, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Edit
Where did you see the Temple of Time? — Ceiling  Master  19:05, June 14, 2016 (UTC)


 * Just after Link fought the Bokoblins in the campfire, he arrives in the Temple of Time location. WiseAdventurer (talk) 19:09, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * Oops, disregard that. Found a nice map screencap. 19:10, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Shrines
Have you seen any confirmation that the shrines have had their names switched? It's a pretty safe bet, but Zeldapedia has always been a bit stricter on proof than most other Wikis, and I'd like to avoid any unnecessary page moves/deletions. — Ceiling  Master  22:32, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand, I will be more careful with this stricter rule. In fact, I have viewed the Oman Au Shrine renaming by Sir Real explaining that "In Polygon's recent gameplay video for Breath of the Wild, it was revealed that this shrine is now called Oman Au Shrine. It is currently unknown if other shrines have been given similar name...". Since we have three Shrines now named as such and the Oman Au Shrine was the first Shrine presented before, I easily guessed and maybe too quickly I recognize according to the strict rule, that it will be the general expression type now. However I have a general confirmation for other renaming things such as Well-Worn Pants.WiseAdventurer (talk) 23:17, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. I think we can safely assume that the shrines have all been renamed. — Ceiling  Master  23:24, January 14, 2017 (UTC)

Rollback

 * Thank you, I will be pleased to join and help the management team of Zeldapedia. I am glad you are proposing me because it is difficult for me to apply by myself! I would also inform you that I am a bots user on several wikis and I saw that most of your bot users are rather inactive, if you, all the team, think useful and helpful, I can use actively my automatic bot, WiseBot, on Zeldapedia and ask the Wikia Staff for a bot flag on Zeldapedia. WiseAdventurer (talk) 12:32, January 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of having a bot. Although, I would like someone else's opinion on this. Green   Rupee  20:35, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Lists

 * Thank you, I thought for now it was still under proposal and votes! Thank you for the explanation about the Category:Lists, it was rather unclear, I had already seen similar list pages added and since this kind of general category was usually to me for grouping list pages of a wiki, I thought useful to complete it. I have opened a discussion about this in order to have a clearer view and to propose a better management of these lists pages. Do not hesitate to answer me too there.WiseAdventurer (talk) 23:55, January 31, 2017 (UTC)

Congrats
Congratulations on being promoted! You can now revert edits with one click and your name appears as teal or something. See you 'round! Green  Rupee  07:23, February 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you Green Rupee for having proposed me, and thank you all, you, CM and ODL, for the promotion and your support, I am very pleased to join the Zeldapedia team.WiseAdventurer (talk) 11:32, February 7, 2017 (UTC)

Message from metalreflectslime
Do we have pictures of each and every figurine for The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker? If not, then I can do it within 3 years or so.


 * What do you mean exactly by figurine? Other than amiibo I guess, I have added them. I will not anyway be able to answer you, I suggest you to ask the community from the forum for any advices, requests or proposal for the wiki. WiseAdventurer (talk) 12:27, February 11, 2017 (UTC)

https://zeldawiki.org/Figurines_in_The_Wind_Waker By figurines, I mean these. I do not want to plagiarize though. So I will do mine from scratch. Yes, I will the forum.

I think we need "Sheikah" and "Sheikah Monk" categories. Also, what is your opinion on the Wind Waker figurines? --Metalreflectslime (talk) 23:10, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * The "Sheikah" category exists and, indeed, I have planned to add the Monk one. WiseAdventurer (talk) 23:12, February 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * How many Sheikah Monks are there? We'd only realigned a category there if there's a sizeable number. Oni Dark  Link  03:46, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * There are more than 100 shrines, so I would say a lot of monks! WiseAdventurer (talk) 03:51, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

There are 120 Male Sheikah Monks and 120 Shrines. --Metalreflectslime (talk) 03:54, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh wow. At that size I'd actually consider not making pages for them at all. Though I suppose we do have a page for every random Minish so it's probably no harm. Still, that's massive leap from only one real Sheikah in the series before now! color="#66FFFF">Oni  Dark   color="#007A00">Link  04:05, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think these pages are useful, anyway we have to keep in mind that Breath of the Wild is a singular Zelda game, this open-world huge adventure implies hundreds of locations, characters, materials, dishes, weapons, etc. like the Xenoblade games. WiseAdventurer (talk) 04:13, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

I agree. We want this Wiki to be as complete as possible. We will also list locations for all 900 Korok and their respective seeds as well. --Metalreflectslime (talk) 15:47, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

No, no. The person in the entire 1 hour video is a game reviewer. He confirmed it. He is a reliable game source. --Metalreflectslime (talk) 17:27, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * We have not to go and search for the source under the link providing, give the direct source only (here the video)... WiseAdventurer (talk) 17:56, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uBXd-lqoAE#t=25m39s 27:25 in the video. I think we need a cooking pot location list too. --Metalreflectslime (talk) 18:00, February 25, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the source, next time please rather add a direct source to the edit summary. No, we do not need pot locations because some of are in named locations such as Woodcutter's Cabin or a stable or a village, and others are in Campfires. So you can develop the campfire page instead and we can list their locations on this page. WiseAdventurer (talk) 18:44, February 25, 2017 (UTC)

I see. Actually, during the time you added the picture, I was hunting for that picture. You just edited quickly before I had the opportunity to edit. --Metalreflectslime (talk) 21:03, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

I am 99% sure Link cannot cook nor eat the diamond. --Metalreflectslime (talk) 23:54, February 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * I am 100% sure that I am not perfect and I may leave mistakes, I am always taking a look back to my edits, so please again and again, do not interact with my current work, I mean the work I am doing at the moment. What is the purpose and the usefulness of this message? Please do not waste your time and my time with such a message next time. WiseAdventurer (talk) 00:00, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

Re: King Rhoam
Hi WiseAdventurer :) While I see where you are coming from when it comes to naming the page, especially with |this this image. I think it's best to discuss this in a talk page. That way we can get other users opinions Roranoa Drake II (talk)


 * Yes, of course, but not now! It is too "spoilerish"! This page you have added was anyway needful as least as a redirect. No urgency, both links work. WiseAdventurer (talk) 23:02, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

Islands

 * Yes but they are similar, I think they are comparable to Zora's Domain, Faron Woods, Kakariko Village cases. WiseAdventurer (talk) 19:48, February 28, 2017 (UTC)


 * And what about Zora's Domain, Faron Woods, Kakariko Village, etc.? (I probably do not well understand what you mean.) WiseAdventurer (talk) 20:05, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

Requests for adminship
Hey, WA, thanks for your request, but that's not exactly how promotions work here. I understand that because the community is so much smaller now than it was, we've bent some of the rules regarding rollback and adminship, but I'm still a believer in the rules we set out over the years.

I've removed your request for now, A) because it didn't have the proper formatting for the request page, B) because you technically don't meet the time requirements after having gotten rollback, and C) because you never actually specified what position you were applying for (I know it's administrator, but someone unfamiliar with our site might not understand).

Also, starting off with "I really do not like to apply" basically delegitimizes the whole request, so in the future, I would advise not to have any negative language in your requests. So obviously, it's nothing personal, but I feel you should have a substantial explanation as to why I removed your request. I hope all that made sense. — Ceiling  Master  14:32, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem CM, I understand, it obviously makes sense, I surely act too quickly when I saw the activity today! Thank you also for your advices. WiseAdventurer (talk) 14:41, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

Edit
How is making 1 edit, edit warring? And thanks for the welcome. I can see why this wiki lacks editors AnimeOtaku2000 (talk) 20:14, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * You undid a reversion. Essentially that's aiding and abetting in an edit war. Your conduct and language is getting you very close to being blocked, so I would advise caution from now on.


 * As for the issue at hand, there is no explicit rule to use artwork in infoboxes specifically (though only in-game images and official artwork are allowed); regardless, it's the standard here, and a less-than-stellar screenshot is not going to take the place of official artwork. — Ceiling  Master  20:23, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Okay fair enough. Sorry AnimeOtaku2000 (talk) 20:24, March 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * And you have initially undone the change made by an admin who explained in edit summary the reason. Also note that the Wikia community do not accept people using multi-accounts. WiseAdventurer (talk) 20:27, March 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * I think he took care of it already. Also I'm not sure what you are talking about with other half. I'm editing from campus if that means anything. AnimeOtaku2000 (talk) 20:31, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

WA, I don't think that jumping to conclusions about sockpuppeting is the way to go here. I don't think there's enough evidence for that. AnimeOtaku2000, I didn't mean to sound too harsh, but it sounds like you got the message, and (believe it or not), I appreciate the tone of your response. I hope this won't detract from your experience here, and that you'll continue to make constructive edits alongside the rest of us. — Ceiling  Master  20:33, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * You are probably right, bad old experience of very similar cases, when at least two new accounts (same day) are involved. WiseAdventurer (talk) 20:41, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

New pages creation
Thank you for the information and advice. I will attempt to follow the normal description format. I do apologize I am new and am still learning. If I have any question I would ask for your help, thank you for the input so far. Thank you.


 * You're welcome, and do not hesitate to ask for help. WiseAdventurer (talk) 23:05, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Deletion
If you ever need a page or file deleted you can use to nominate it for speedy deletion (there's also  to rename files). The template is used for borderline cases and has a page to discuss them on (although it hasn't been used in years).

Thanks for all your help, you're doing a great job. Green  Rupee  21:51, March 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you I did not know those templates, noted! WiseAdventurer (talk) 21:54, March 12, 2017 (UTC)

Message from joelkalenuik
Hey, this is joelkalenuik Sorry to ask for help, just made a new page called Language of the Gerudo but the other language pages don't work very well as a way for me to base the new page. I was hoping you could take a look at it, it is way more simple than I would have liked but I didn't quite know how to go about considering the language is only a few choice translatable words. Thank You.


 * Hi joelkalenuik, welcome to Zeldapedia and thank you for your contribution. You were right by deciding to write me for help. I have just edited this page, you can develop it and we will have a better view afterwards.
 * When you edit pages, in particular if you create new pages (locations, items, characters, etc.), please do not forget to respect the articles formatting. The easiest way is to always use the "Source Mode" edition, to take a look at a similar existing page, and if you create a new one, to open a similar existing page, to copy and paste in the new one. Thank you. WiseAdventurer (talk) 17:18, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

About the quick-comments I have made...
I realize now that, in hindsight, my summaries/quick-comments were indeed uncalled for. For this reason, I would like to own up to my being rude to you and as a man, give you my sincerest apology. I did not know your current situation at the time of some of those comments, but personally I feel that is no excuse, and I can admit you have done nothing that disrespects the editing rules. I wish for no ill feelings between us. Yours respectfully, Whirl Roller (talk) 14:14, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was really surprised to read this comment, this kind of comments would have been unpleasant for anyone doing this edit. You did not disrespect the editing rules of course. Of course no ill feelings between us, particularly now you have explained and apologised. Please do not forget to be careful with the formatting, the best way being to always use the "Source Mode" edition, this allows not to correct the page afterwards! Many thanks. WiseAdventurer (talk) 14:22, March 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Anytime, anytime. By the way, I know I admitted I was wrong in making those comments, and I still believe I am, but I was a little irritated at how wrong some of the facts were. I kinda have that tic, y'know? Before I knew of your circumstances. Other than that, you weren't doing anything against the rules like blatant vandalism, so I still feel bad about coming down on ya so ruthlessly like that.


 * So, from one editor of Zelda Wikia to another, I'd just like to say that, "Work done in a rush usually leads to sloppiness or inaccuracy." A lesson I've learned 23 years of my life. If you'd like some friendly advice, I say try editing when you aren't hard-pressed for time, y'know? Or, do it when you ain't in a rush. If I offend you, I apologize. Sincerely, Whirl Roller (talk) 12:42, March 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * It was not "sloppiness or inaccuracy", it was just one forgotten word change (furthermore while the other had been replaced). Nevertheless, this kind of mistake are not necessary due to being hard-pressed for time, no one (perhaps except you! ;)) is perfect, anyone can leave mistakes, typos, etc. The only "lesson" to consider is thus to be tolerant and take time to think before writing to someone, warning, scolding or getting angry on someone. Do not forget that one of the main asset of a Wiki is to be regularly evolving, progressing, thanks to anyone, like correcting a few left mistakes. A problem usually appears when someone continues to edit without considering advices, warns, etc. WiseAdventurer (talk) 13:10, March 20, 2017 (UTC)


 * Ah, but my good man... I can readily admit that I am far from being a perfect human being, and can also admit I myself am guilty of editing mistakes. Again, I apologize for my rashness and will try to refrain from being such in the future.Whirl Roller (talk) 13:31, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Apology
Hello WiseAdventurer, this is Kaidus.

I wanted to apologize for the edits I made on the rusty weapon pages I did since I didn't know that type of edit is forbidden; I meant no wrong by it.

THX for your time

--Kaidus (talk) 01:52, March 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think the edits you made contained worthwhile information. As long as it doesn't sound like a guide or walkthrough or is useless information, it should be okay. Green   Rupee  03:58, March 21, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Kaidus. You do not need to apologize! There is no problem, this often happens, many people want to add tips or strategy on articles while the community has decided not to do it. However this is possible to share tips and strategy on talk pages, user pages, blogs or the forum.


 * Now I have read Green Rupee's comment, I probably act to quickly as a busy worker and particularly by viewing the edit summaries you left "A tip I found on YouTube". I will change back a bit. Sorry for that.


 * I read again your sentences, but sincerely I do not still understand them, not really clear to me, what do you mean exactly?

WiseAdventurer (talk) 13:06, March 21, 2017 (UTC)

Shrines List
Well, that's alright if you don't like "Tower Region" logic, but... that reverted all the names of Shrines that I listed there back to "many missing" instead of all 120 being listed.

So I am not coming here to fighting. I come here to see what on your mind if you want them back on the list in the different way. And to be honest, "Others" section is just... not quite well-placed in the article - many of them are actually within the location of those areas, beside towers.

Other than that, I also noticed that some Shrines were spelling wrong (Shorah Hah Shrine), some were listed twice (Ha Dahamar Shrine), and some "other reasons" (Daqa Koth don't exist). And those were what making it difficult to keep up on the details.

FredCat 23:19, March 23, 2017 (UTC)

Also, if you like, I managed to find the full-map of all Shrines located, thanks to BeardBear - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLEAE56Juhs&t=84s - to see if that could satisfy your necessary to cover all 120 Shrines. Again, if you have something different to improving that article, lemme know what's on your mind. FredCat 23:26, March 23, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Fred. It is not a matter of liking, that is subjective, Zeldapedia is an encyclopaedia so we need to match the game. The "Blabla Tower Region" expression in unofficial, it does not come from the game but the PB guide. It is true that the locations tree in BotW is vague, even the definition of the "region" is not easy.


 * Your help in completing the Shrine page is of course welcome, you can take a look at this page List of locations in The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, to see how the locations are currently lists by "province" and "region".


 * If you see several misnamed Shrines and Sheikah Monks, many people sometimes write or report incorrectly names, you can report them to me because this implies not only a page renaming but also to fix links in all related pages.


 * Many thanks for your contribution and help.


 * I have just continued and completed the answer in your talk page. WiseAdventurer (talk) 00:27, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * I acknowledged that part. And that's the reason why I came here to start the discussion.
 * Why, thank you.
 * There's second Shrine that was misnamed - Ka'o Muakagh Shrine, that don't exist - it's actually Ka'o Makagh Shrine. I got that cleaned out, while I let you delete the misnamed ones (Yes, Monk article also misnamed).
 * Sure thing.
 * So on the list that is actually absented in the Shrines were - I am aware that Tower Region is not thing, but I just use them as location of where they were within the scanning map, and it's the only article I can use is here;


 * Dueling Peaks Tower
 * Lakna Rokee Shrine


 * Lanayru Tower
 * Shai Yota Shrine - Denfo just added this in as I listed them
 * Dagah Keek Shrine


 * Lake Tower
 * Ya Naga Shrine


 * Wasteland Tower
 * Raqa Zunzo Shrine


 * Gerudo Tower
 * Sho Dantu Shrine


 * Central Tower
 * Namika Ozz Shrine


 * Ridgeland Tower
 * Mijah Rokee Shrine
 * Maag No'rah Shrine
 * Mogg Latan Shrine


 * Tabantha Tower
 * Bareeda Naag Shrine
 * Kah Okeo Shrine


 * Hebra Tower
 * Rin Oyaa Shrine
 * Dunba Taag Shrine
 * Gee Ha'rah Shrine


 * Woodland Tower
 * Rona Kachta Shrine


 * Eldin Tower
 * Qua Raym Shrine
 * That would be all. FredCat 06:18, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * I got the rest of Shrine names listed in the article. Again, feel free to correct them. I also created second Shrine article - Raqa Zunzo Shrine, to be exact. Let me know if I misplaced something in that article, so I can learn to not repeat them in the later articles. FredCat 10:37, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you Fred. I have fixed some of them, it probably remains a few ones, the Shrine category must list 121 pages, 120 Shrines plus the main Shrine page. The main page still needs improvement and completion despite my update. WiseAdventurer (talk) 18:37, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem, glad that I put my effort to cover the rest of Shrines in that article. But... wasn't Shrine of Resurrection supposedly to be part of that list? I know that it lacked Sheikah Monk and nothing to reward but Sheikah Slate and a revive after a century of slumber. Beside the obviously parts, it would perhaps cover the reason of why it's not on the list.
 * And that list you just updating look much better, so I have no objection about that idea. Could handle better than that. :-) FredCat 21:19, March 24, 2017 (UTC)


 * I also covered this article, mimicking your formula that you made in shrine article. I also went ahead and fixed a couple of mistakes you overlooked. Hope that helps. FredCat 12:20, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

Awesome Work
Still getting the hang of usertalk stuff rip so I apologize if this is the wrong format or I mess this up somehow, but I just want to say that it's seriously amazing how much work you're doing for Zeldapedia. I'm pretty new to this wiki but honestly I'm quite impressed. I go to do like one edit and I see this massive wall of work you've done on the wiki activity section xD Idk how much appreciation ya get around here so eh, congrats man, keep up the good work! (also thank you for fixing my dumb link failures on pages, I'm working on it lol) ShiningWaters (talk) 11:31, March 24, 2017
 * Thank you ShiningWaters, we really appreciate such a kind message! I probably spend to much time to the wiki, many hours each day, but we are currently only two regular members of the team to check, proceed, contribute, correct, since not everyone has played the game and they want to avoid spoilers. Do not worry for the small mistakes or typos you may leave, I know you are new here. The way how you and many other people are linking is sometimes weird like blabla. at the end of a sentence, or including quotes instead of writing them outside... but you are globally well respecting the articles formatting. Thank you for your helpful contribution as well. WiseAdventurer (talk) 17:40, March 24, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry...
Heya, sorry for moving the "stub" template to the top, I thought was where it goes xD... also, I didn't realize you were a staff member..! and nice work by the way :D! I haven't seen someone make so many pages in a day in a looong time! So, anyways, sorry for the vandalism. I didn't know I was vandalising (Is it vandalizing? Idek xD) well, bye, and have a nice day! (This is my first time using a talk page, so if I did something wrong... which I probably did, I'm sorry) Itsanicesunnyday (talk) 19:09, March 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I discard the vandalism suspicion (after the "stub" moves, about Ganon it is OK), thank you for having written to me and explained. About the vandali(s/z)e verb, both are correct, "s" for British English, "z" for American English. Have a nice day. WiseAdventurer (talk) 19:20, March 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised nobody did that to the "Ganon" page before me... heheh...


 * So it'd be "Vandalized" where I am... I don't know what to say after this... lol...
 * I just wanted to leave a message here to make sure you knew I saw your reply.. hehe.

Discussions
How do I start a community/wiki discussion, do I leave it in the forums or start a "blog post"? (Kelis98 (talk) 14:31, April 2, 2017 (UTC))
 * Yes, in the forum, the watercooler one. WiseAdventurer (talk) 14:34, April 2, 2017 (UTC)

Divine Beast article
Which talk should I go to? Divine Beast talk or my user page?
 * Hi Jmh363905, you choose the correct option by opening the discussion on the Divine Beast article's talk page, I have just answered on this talk page.WiseAdventurer (talk) 00:29, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Side Quest
On the side quest page, why would you include a # in the middle on two words? (Kelis98 (talk) 21:14, April 8, 2017 (UTC))
 * Hi Kelis, thank you to ask me for it. The "#section" allows to launch directly to the section of interest in the article, if you click on it you will see! :) WiseAdventurer (talk) 21:19, April 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * I know, I meant that it isn't exactly aesthetically pleasing, especially when you can use a link and get the same result. (Kelis98 (talk) 21:36, April 8, 2017 (UTC))
 * OK, I see. CM finds the good compromise for the "aesthetic" point by adding a special template "!". I could have thought about it earlier but I did not this template had been added to this wiki.WiseAdventurer (talk) 23:08, April 8, 2017 (UTC)

Four Swords
03:35, April 17, 2017 (UTC)03:35, April 17, 2017 (UTC) Hello. I got done with LOZ four Sword and I want to know, what is the different between the gold and silver key

03:36, April 17, 2017 (UTC)P.chraca (talk) Hello. I got done with LOZ four Sword and I want to know, what is the different between the gold and silver key. PS, I did the ~x4 thing but not sure if I did it right
 * I have not played Four Swords yet, you should use the forum or the discussions to ask for it, many people will be able to read it and probably to answer you. WiseAdventurer (talk) 12:42, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

how do I do that? Its been a while since I use wiki. Again, sorry I don't remember how to do that ~x4 or ~x8 thing P.chraca (talk) 02:06, April 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * Look at Community section on the left of this article, you can click on "Forums", then create a new forum from there, OR check to see if there are any "Four Swords" theme in there and read the conversation in them. Otherwise, just give the new thread exactly what you needed to know.
 * It's ~x4 - you perhaps put in ~x10 that made only the date/time posted...twice. So just going with 4. It can also be explaining above the edit box [ This is a talk page. Please remember...blabla] - that shall cover the explain of why you should using ~x4 or click on the button to make your signature show up. FredCat 08:41, April 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * FredCat100 (thank you) has provided a detailed answer. You can indeed ask by writing a message on the "talk page" of the Fourd Sword article or the "talk page(s)" of the item(s) article(s) of interest, or, if you want, a message in the watercooler forum. And 4 tildes for the signatures. WiseAdventurer (talk) 17:13, April 18, 2017 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Doing my best to improving my reputation after all. :-) FredCat 22:11, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

What I believe to be the Beamos of Breath of the Wild
So, remember those "small boxes that fire this constant laser" in one of the Shrines? Y'know, this thing?

https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/U3kmVSkk4ZLCOd84uKE7eTc-IAM=/800x0/filters:no_upscale/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8149509/lozbotw_0003_Layer_5.jpg

Sorry if I couldn't make that large picture any smaller, but you first meet these things in the Ishto Soh Shrine. I wish I had evidence to back my claim up, but I think these things are the "Beamos" of this game. This is because they do not move at all unless carried, yet they always fire a damaging laser unless something's blocking the beam.

One of the objects of the game is named "Enemy_Beamos_Static"... and sad to say, that's my only proof, and I believe that is the name of the small box. What do you think; should we just call this a Shrine object and take that info off the Beamos page or leave it as is? Whirl Roller (talk) 10:34, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for not jumping down our throats about moving your edit. For what it's worth, I'm inclined to believe you, but as you said, there's not much evidence. I think having it as a note on the Beamos page is best, until someone is able to procure more evidence. And even if that doesn't happen, it's fine to have the note at the bottom of the page. — Ceiling  Master  14:15, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * You're very much welcome, Ceiling. You see, I wish I could say it was more than just a feeling, but intuition alone isn't enough, I'm afraid... as for why else I think those things were Beamos, they are not exactly organic in nature and they only have one eye at the most. I was able to confirm that the name of those boxes are "Enemy_Beamos_Static" via spawning them in the field. I pretty much got what you see up there. That, and I pretty much thought to myself, "If they aren't Beamos, what are they?"Whirl Roller (talk) 18:46, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you Whirl Roller for discussing this with us instead of any new edits... Indeed I have not done all the Shrines yet, but thanks to this screenshots I have a better view of what you dealt with. Does the mention "Enemy_Beamos_Static" come from the game files? In this case, we have to be careful because there are things noted there that have not been kept or used in the final version of the game, such as the Stalfos mentions. So I agree with CM, we can continue with the note section on the Beamos page for now, and use it until we obtain the exact in-game name of this thing. I will try to find it as well. WiseAdventurer (talk) 23:02, April 21, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I draw this name straight from the game files.Whirl Roller (talk) 01:18, April 22, 2017 (UTC)

Calamity Ganon's Weapons
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Calamity Ganon has the weapons of the four Blight Ganons, rather than the Divine Beasts? Arawn 999 (talk) 02:13, April 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right, I am getting too tired, it is late night here! Thank you for reporting it to me beforehand. WiseAdventurer (talk) 02:29, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Ok what is your problem ?
You come here reverting EVERYTHING i did pretty much because of what? That Smash 3DS/Wii U name wasn't bothering anyone so I renamed it because I had a link that redirects to a subpage. Come on, please explain.
 * You require us to explain the reverted edits but you did not beforehand explain your changes, nor beforehand propose such important changes to the community, moreover edit-warring is not tolerated. WiseAdventurer (talk) 22:40, May 18, 2017 (UTC)

Ok but doesn't the page's history also explain what's been changed? And of course i'm being accused of "edit-warring" because of what? I removed to redirect that brings you to a subpage, you know what? Why do I even bother explaining myself? I just wanted to fix the page.
 * Sorry to get my Epona in here. PSI Fire... the official name for "SSB4" game is actually "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U / 3DS". All I did was to Google the name, and I see the slash on the official site, in where "and" was used on Wikia article.
 * So here's your explain you asked for, PSI Fire. FredCat 05:59, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

Right, I've fixed everything with the Smash 4 pages. Next time, before moving stuff around, please open a forum or put it out on the talk page. Ask someone, at least. I've also fixed the original problem, which were the many, many redirects.

On that topic, WA, do you mind using your handy-dandy AWB to clear out these links whenever you have some time? I'd appreciate it. — Ceiling  Master  12:51, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Fine CM. OK, I am going to fix these links. WiseAdventurer (talk) 16:13, May 19, 2017 (UTC)

Wii U / 3DS
I understand that they're the same game. But they didn't going on the same console. And they both had different set-up of unlocking the characters, plus different set of stages.

Ok, I must stop at that point. What's your reason of removing "Fifth" from that article recently, beside them being the same 'game'? FredCat 15:36, May 22, 2017 (UTC)
 * I was not the one who has changed this. However I agree with the change, even though a game is ported on different systems, meaning two "physical" games on each system, it remains the same game per se, the same episode if you prefer. WiseAdventurer (talk) 18:21, May 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, it was you that removed 'and fifth' words in this edit. I even clicked your User talk link to come here and posted the proof.
 * But I got the reason why you decided that they both are same game, though with several difference (Like compared Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monster Manga vs. Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monster Anime, for primary example). FredCat 22:30, May 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * You should have precised that you mentioned the Princess Zelda article because the discussion above dealt with the Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U article, so I still had this game page in mind! Anyway Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U is the initial article of interest, GR initially removed it from Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS / Wii U that's why I did the same on the Princess Zelda article for consistency.WiseAdventurer (talk) 19:54, May 24, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, sir, I shall had done that. FredCat 21:30, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

Undoing the Edits
Hi, I've noticed you changing and removing some of my edits on the wiki.

I'd just like to ask if you could please refrain from doing so? For example, I removed

a sentence that was grammatically incorrect and unprofessional from the Golden Goddesses

page: "It is notable however in the Adult Timeline, that the one time they directly intervened with Hyrule, they for some reason flooded it to stop Ganondorf instead of using their powers to merely vanquish him.

It should say "It is notable THAT in the adult timeline" and the "one time they directly intervened with Hyrule" is also factually unproven and speculation. "For some reason" is also very unprofessional and I felt the need to remove it.

I also noticed you query my additions to the "theories" section of Hyrule. Since Wind Waker and Ocarina of Time's maps are so similar, I felt this needed to be mentioned. TP and BotW also have similar features, but this is not mentioned elsewhere in the wiki. I added it to the "theories" section so it wouldn't get in the way.

Sorry for the trouble but I hope you can understand in the future.


 * Hi Mr. Knuckles. I essentially focused and pointed out the last modified sentence, that is probably not very nice but I did not see the improvement and it was not really clear what you meant. The grammar fix can be indeed kept. If you had added an "edit summary" things would have been simpler!


 * The note I left about those theories concerned those related to BotW. The only official info is that BotW events occurs many years after those of OoT, and are the most recent/contemporary regarding the global timeline(s) of the series, so anything else written is hypothesis, point of view or speculation.WiseAdventurer (talk) 19:28, June 11, 2017 (UTC)

Blue Lynel
Hello, I have find 2 Blue Lynels in Deep Akkala, but as I have freed Divine Beasts, this 2 are White Lynels instead.

If you have freed 4 Divine Beasts and you find a Blue Lynel, can you provide me a locate with screenshot. Thanks.

---Toupou--- (talk) 13:50, June 18, 2017 (UTC)

EX Quests
The EX quests are not given to you at Outpost Ruins, Korok Forest, and one other area (I forget). But rather you get them automatically after a cutscene that is triggered anywhere in the world.

The cutscene is a 'mysterious messag"e reaching you above the character, and telling you to go to Korok Woods. The initial quests actually lead you go to Outpost Ruins, Korok Forest, and a couple of other spots to find the various 'books, or talk to Deku Tree, in order to get to the next step of the quest.

It's not unlike the early quest where you get a message from Zelda, who tells you to go to Kakoriko village, which you can choose to go to or not at your leisure, in order to update the main quest line.

You have completely given misinformation as to where the quest is first assigned to you.Baggins (talk) 17:27, June 30, 2017 (UTC)


 * As you can see in the WikiActivity, I am currently working on it, so please do not interact now while I am editing them. I am surprising that you are not able to correctly add new articles (formatting) or edit them correctly while you are not a new contributor.WiseAdventurer (talk) 17:31, June 30, 2017 (UTC)

Korok page edit
I noticed you edited out my changes on the Koroks page. However, the original phrasing on the Breath of the Wild segment of the page (which you have now restored) was grammatically incorrect: "Like for a mini-game". I wanted to both correct the grammar and add missing information at the same time, but sadly all my changes were removed. You claim because it isn't a side quest, but I'd honestly say it's more of a side quest than it is a "mini-game"? What else can one call it?

You also removed my changes on the evolution segment. While I understand more as to why you did this, please note that the segment shouldn't remain without ANY mention of their role in Breath of the Wild. Minor speculation is harmless when evidence supports it. (01:18, July 1, 2017 (UTC))


 * Thank you to write me and discuss before any new edits on it. "Like for a mini-game" does not mean "it is a mini-game" however I can see the grammar point. In any case, stating it to be a side quest (that is a precise and defined thing) is not correct. Zeldapedia is encyclopaedic, speculation and point of view must be avoided on articles.WiseAdventurer (talk) 01:35, July 1, 2017 (UTC)

Lynel Page Edit
Again, I have issues with changes made by you to my edits.

You removed my mention of it being from the Hyrule Compendium. If that's where the information originates from, then I think that's what should be stated.

You also removed a sentence with a very slight typo (it's/its) but instead of making a light correction, you replaced it with a sentence that literally makes no sense! "While its attack methods is equivalent, the Golden Lynel possesses a total of 7500 HP."

Please consider going back on a few changes on the lynel page.

--Mr. Knuckles (talk) 11:07, July 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey, Mr. Knuckles; just so you're aware, English isn't WA's first language, so you'll have to be a bit more lenient with his grammar fixes at times. I've cleaned up the page, and eliminated the unnecessary sections, as well as moved the quote back up to the beginning of the BotW section. All should be well now.


 * As for the bit of information about the Hyrule Compendium, the "In-game description" is how we commonly refer to such quotes, and I think it implies the information's origin; however, I am open to changing this to add the source if others feel it important. — Ceiling  Master  16:23, July 11, 2017 (UTC)


 * CM, now you have removed the subsections, the BotW section is inconsistent or too confusing. The quote only concerns the eponymous red-manned Lynel, but the following text deals with the race and all the variants. If you think the BotW should only deal with the eponymous red-manned Lynel, we should remove parts dealing with the race and the variants... WiseAdventurer (talk) 17:43, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism User
Please blacklist this guy, if possible. FredCat 10:32, July 11, 2017‎ (UTC)
 * I've blocked the vandal. Thanks for the warning. — Ceiling  Master  16:23, July 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * No problem. FredCat 01:26, July 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you Fred for having reported it. Despite being a member of the team, as a rollbacker I can quickly revert edits but only admins can block users (the current most active admins are Ceiling Master and Green Rupee).WiseAdventurer (talk) 22:53, July 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Understand. I will keep that in my mind when the vandalism happened again, I will be sure to report to one of them.  (Which mean I should enlisted their Talk Page just in case if I need to reach them quicker...)   FredCat 23:09, July 12, 2017 (UTC)

New pages
Thank you for letting me know I was creating pages in the incorrect manner. I'm sorry for the inconvenience caused. I've tried to follow the format when creating a page for Great-Horned Rhinoceros, is it adequate or are there still things I'm missing? Thanks Bagadew (Sorry for the way this is laid out, my iPad won't let me link or sign off on this page.)
 * OK, no problem, I gave you an advice, the best way is to open a similar page in "source mode" edition, you can copy/paste the content you need (like the infobox, the global formatting, etc.) in the new page and change the data, always in "source mode" edition.

I am not sure we should create a page for each animal race, I really wonder whether this should be discussed with the community.WiseAdventurer (talk) 12:39, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

Something I've found using the Travel Medallion.
I think I might've found a Sequence Break of some sort with the help of the Travel Medallion. See, before you talk to Bludo, you have to go to the Abandoned North Mine, set up a warp point with the Travel Medallion inside that cave where Yunobo would normally be trapped, warp back to Goron City and talk to Bludo to start the event that has Yunobo trapped at the Abandoned North Mine. Then, you can use the warp point to teleport inside of the cave and talk to Yunobo. The rock wall blocking the way will be gone, as well. Thought I'd share this, but I'm not sure if I should put it in the Glitches page or on the Travel Medallion's/Yunobo's page. What's your opinion on where I should put it?Whirl Roller (talk) 14:25, September 9, 2017 (UTC)
 * I do not really know, I did not test it. However you can add any info as far as you respect the "encyclopaedic" purpose and the wiki rules, meaning pertinent and pertaining info, clear and objective info only and not subjective info, no speculation, no personal theories, no tips, no strategy and no trivia. I know that not everyone, currently, do really respects all of these points... anyway... and it is a too long and hard work to fix all of these. Thank you for asking before proceeding. Do not hesitate to write and ask for any info to the main admin of the wiki, Green Rupee, Ceiling master or OniDarkLink, they will answer to you much better than I can. WiseAdventurer (talk) 18:34, September 9, 2017 (UTC)

Your recently revert edits
Is that because those categories are "grandpa stuffs", right? I have nothing against your action of undoing those edits... FredCat 15:01, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

Where is the quest discussion?
You mentioned that there was a discussion on whether quest articles should have infoboxes. Can you share me the link?--Nathan_The_Asian332 (talk) 23:52, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
 * In the wiki forum of course, Forum:Quest Infobox. WiseAdventurer (talk) 11:32, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

New pages
Hey just a question, still new to adding pages and all that. I'm curious and interested in learning more about creating them if you'd be willing to help me. Anyways first question is in regards to the original Finley's letter page I created, you had it undone and said misnames on it then made a new finley's letter page. Was it the actual naming of "Finley's Letter or was it something else I very well could have missed.

And the second question is just about the letter(breath of the wild disambiguation) You listed it as this is not how disambiguation work. I thought it was just grouping together various different items that someone may be looking for but doesnt know the name of, in that case it was finleys letter and the classified envelope.

I appreciate your time and effort in reading and correcting alot of the edit's ive made so far and hopefully your reading this and input.

Thank you Hopefully i can get the signing right this time

21:31, January 17, 2018 (UTC) joelkalenuik


 * Hi joelkalenuik, thank you for your message and welcome to Zeldapedia.
 * You named the page with a lowercase, "letter" instead of an required uppercase "Letter".
 * Yes, the "Letter (breath of the wild)" disambiguation page is inappropriate as such, and anyway not useful, essentially because we have already a Letter disambiguation page.
 * The wiki team has to take a look, check and potentially correct afterwards, the minimum to do for a suitable maintenance, to avoid vandalism, etc. So do not feel worry when someone updates a page after you, this is how wikis function! WiseAdventurer (talk) 21:41, January 17, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, thank you for the input, I'll try and make sure to minimize such naming mistakes from now on when it comes to making new pages as so they do not need to be deleted and rebuilt entirely, wasting time.
 * And regarding the disambiguation, thank you for the clarification, I'll try my best to avoid meaningless ones such as this again in the future.
 * Thank you for the help, i would ask that you please continue to do so while I learn how to create pages and edit already existing ones
 * Joelkalenuik (talk) 21:57, January 17, 2018 (UTC) joelkalenuik


 * The easiest and best way to create a new page, is to always use the "source mode" edition (full text with the whole visible formatting such as infoboxes, headers, etc.), to open a similar existing page (quest for new quest, enemy for new enemy, etc.), to copy the content and paste it in the new page you are creating (in order to have the good infobox, table, article body text, etc. format) then just replace with the new data. Do not hesitate to ask us for help when needed. WiseAdventurer (talk) 22:04, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Hyrule Warriors DE Discussion Lock
I'm wondering why my discussion for the new Hyrule Warriors game was locked. Was it because I missed something in the guidelines?
 * You mean on the Discussions, not a Talk page or a thread on the forum of the wiki? In any case, I do not know, I do not go and manage anything on Discussions, I am only a rollback (clear blue/turquoise colour) on the wiki. You should write to an admin (green colour) or Aquila2002, the Discussions moderator.WiseAdventurer (talk) 10:32, January 19, 2018 (UTC)

Skyward Sword Jinxing Water
I'm wondering if I should create an article on the purple stuff found in Skyward Sword, because there's no article for this obstacle, unlike Malice or Lava.
 * I am not sure. Firstly, what is the exact English name (from the game)? However, I suggest you to propose this in the Watercooler forum, your proposal will have a better visibility and more opinions shared. WiseAdventurer (talk) 14:22, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

Picture Renamed?
Are you able to renaming this picture to Kema Zoos? If you can't, then please let the admin, who can change the file name, know about this problem. I just wish to help MailsTheFox out for this reason. FredCat 13:54, January 27, 2018 (UTC) Oh, and I shall informing MailsTheFox about the URL Address change. FredCat 23:47, January 27, 2018 (UTC) And that's also the first time I had to replacing the image that meant for the file name. Hope that didn't put more pressure on your mind, sir. FredCat 11:04, January 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi Fred, no I cannot, only admin can rename files, however there is another possibility (what I am doing sometimes), is to re-upload the file with a suitable name and put the former is deletion. WiseAdventurer (talk) 18:43, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah alright. The reason why I came to you because of your name coloring different from the regular users (as your being lime-green). So have you done that "re-uploading the picture and marked the error delete" yet, or should I go ahead and do that part? FredCat 22:31, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can do it yourself, you can re-upload the file with the suitable name, and edit the former misnamed file and add sometimes like, this "D" template is for speedy deletion. WiseAdventurer (talk) 22:36, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * There, I got them all covered. When I tried to uploading it in the correct name, it gave me a warning about the duplicated picture of that ( former version.jpg ) so I had to pressing on and get it uploaded. Then I copy/paste the line you gave in your recently response with the correct link as source. And that's the first time I had to going through this kind of conflict on my Wikia career, never before had to duplicating the picture just for corrected URL address. Hm.
 * Also, just now, I took a notice of the mess he got into, I went ahead and saved the original one from the image file that he put in "I messed it up" and put it in File that it was meaning to be. So the only image file worth to delete was this one, not this one...
 * Everything looks good to me, thank you. Yes, this is probably the reason! And the "(i messed up this is the real one)" mentioned in the file name sounded weird for me too, making think of a problem during the upload process. WiseAdventurer (talk) 13:01, January 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. At least it made sense that he admitted his mistake for put wrong picture in that file. He made a back-up for that, which was very good part since that we can get it fixed. FredCat 15:46, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

Formatting
I wanted to discuss your edit comment on the Acorn page: "This is how articles are formatted for items, moreover Material is a well defined distinct thing, the link is not relevant here." I do not understand your reasoning of "this is how articles are formatted for items," because your style of formatting is not listed in the manual of style. Further, in the actual game, acorns are under the "Materials" section of the "Inventory." Acorns are also listed on the "Materials" article of the wiki as a material in Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. I believe that these two points make linking to the "Materials" article far from irrelevant to the "Acorn" article. "Items" is a very ambiguous term to describe the relationship between acorns and other items. Acorns are an item the way that the sheika slate or a piece of armor or a bomb arrow is an item. Defining them as a material gives users a better understanding of how they are used and defined in the game. Shelbysaurus (talk) 21:14, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Since you are new, you should really take a look at several articles of the wiki to show how the article are usually formatted and how the wiki globally works. Moreover this kind of introductory sentence for items are very usual in wikis. As I wrote, Material is a well defined distinct thing, as you will see on this page.WiseAdventurer (talk) 21:20, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * The articles are honestly all really different from each other, and there isn't very much continuity in structure between different articles. There also isn't a defined format for opening sentences in item articles in the Manual of Style. In Acorn and other articles, I was referring to the Materials article, not the Material article. Acorn and other items are listed directly on the Materials article as a type of material in the game. Shelbysaurus (talk) 22:16, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, but you wrote this link Material on articles. I forgot this page Materials, you are so used to writing "ingredient"! Indeed, you can of course use this term and link, but in the second sentence. The very first sentence is a typical "encyclopaedic" introductory sentence (global thing and game), it is better to keep the generic "item" term as used in categories, there are already hundreds and hundreds pages formatted as such just for Breath of the Wild. And in second sentence, by starting to provide details, you can use it as such Materials or Ingredients depending of the sentence context. WiseAdventurer (talk) 22:26, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * It feels like you are dictating what the style should be based on your personal preferences, and justifying it because you edit over anyone who attempts to make improvements so that you can call your personal style universal to the wiki. In the opening sentence, "items" functions as a coloquial term whereas linking to the materials page gives users context. I feel that we are at am impasse, because I am going to continue to link to the materials page, and you will continue to monitor my edits so that you can immediately override anything that you don't like on the pages. I would prefer to work together as part of a community, not be dictated to by you with nothing in the style manual to back you up. Shelbysaurus (talk) 23:10, January 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Right, I'm gonna weigh in here. I think it's a dangerous line of thinking to see something as universal on any Wiki, especially something so trivial as first-sentence classification. In this case, even if we usually say "NAME is an item in GAME", it's perfectly reasonable to be specific and say "NAME is a TYPE in GAME".


 * For example, on the Master Sword page, of course we don't say "The Master Sword is an item in the Legend of Zelda series". We understand that some formatting "rules" (and I use the word "rules" very loosely here) don't necessarily have to be as stringent as keeping the exact same wording on every page.


 * So for this case especially, I think it's fine &mdash; even better &mdash; to be more specific and include the type of item in the introductory sentence. — Ceiling  Master  22:21, January 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * Good points, I am now convinced. With BotW, with the numerous pages of a same type, we are used to adopting a standard format, introduction, it becomes the tendance in mind, so you are surely right here. WiseAdventurer (talk) 14:15, January 29, 2018 (UTC)

The Plural of Carp is Carp
While "carps" is listed in the dictionary, its use in a reference article is at best misguided and at worst just plain wrong. A Dictionary is a good tool and is good for basic understanding, but it does not give a perfect understanding of a word, its grammar, or its use. English dictionaries define words that are used in written and spoken English. However, many spoken words are inappropriate to use in reference materials. For example, the word "ain't" is in the dictionary (the same dictionary you used to find "carps", btw) because it is commonly spoken in some dialects of English. But it would be inappropriate to use the word "ain't" in a written formal document or reference material. While "carps" may be common enough in spoken English to warrant an entry in the dictionary, it is not appropriate in reference materials, textbooks, or essays. Here are three examples of materials that mention carp in both the singular and plural form. Please notice that none use the word "carps."

1. Wikipedia, 2. Encyclopedia, 3. Scientific American

There are many other words in English where the singular and plural forms are the same: fish, moose, and deer to name a few.

If we are not already in an edit war, we will be in one soon if the dynamic between us continues. Every time that I have tried to talk to you about an issue, you dig your heels in and just edit over my changes to enforce your own style on the wiki. Please take your own words to heart: "On a wiki, there are many contributors, you should accept that someone will edit, change sentence or text, correct, etc. after you but it does not mean you made things wrong, a wiki is always evolving." This does not have to be about who is right an who is wrong; we can work towards deescalating the tension between us, treating each other as equals, and working together as part of a community.

The dynamic that you are building with me is unnecessarily adversarial. I would rather just work together on the wiki. I could have been editing articles instead of making this post over something so trivial as a grammar edit that you could not accept. You could be editing articles instead of gate-keeping the wiki. You have given yourself the final say on every single issue that comes up between us. An admin had to get involved for you to let up on an honestly minor issue that got blown out of proportion because of your gate-keeping and stubbornness. Will an admin have to be involved in this issue for you to accept that carp is the plural form of carp? Will admins have to be involved in every issue that comes up between us?

There should not be such a huge burden of proof for simple grammar edits. In fact, there should be no burden of proof at all because editors should not feel like they have to prove their edits to you specifically. You do not have any authority over me or any other editors. We are equals. Neither of us has the final say, and we should be able to work together towards common goals instead of working against each other for our own agendas. Please stop gate-keeping the Breath of the Wild articles, and stop building an edit war between us through constant surveillance and immediate re-edits on anything that I do.


 * Some links are broken. Except you miss one point, the plural without "s" for some fish species defines the name of various species, group of species, however when a same specimen is counted, many specimens of a same species, a "s" is added, our cases here. (Or I may miss something myself, but this is what I learnt). I will not comment the rest, things really becomes ridiculous. I do not know if you realise that your harassing messages with false accusation due to, I hope, a unaware complete misinterpretation or misunderstanding (even fact distortion and over-interpretation) becomes blatant. There are now many years I am contributing on wikis (with or without being a team member), you are the first contributor with whom such a thing happens. WiseAdventurer (talk) 14:04, January 31, 2018 (UTC)


 * I resolved the broken links. Also thanks to Fredcat100 for adding my signature to my original message. The (1) plural (2) of (3) carp 4) is (5) carp (6) in (7) formal (8) writing (9) regardless (10) of (11) whether (12) you're (13) talking (14) about (15) individual (16) or (17) multiple (18) species (19). I want to resolve things between us, but your response makes it clear that you value your self-appointed power and the delusion that you are always right more than working with new members in a community. If you had met this much resistance over trivial issues when you first joined, would you have stayed? Please acknowledge your part in our toxic dynamic so that we can move forward and work together to deescalate the tension between us. As I said before, we don't have to have a dynamic of keeping tally of who is "right" and who is "wrong;" we can choose to work together and acknowledge our own humanity and capacity for mistakes. We can turn arguments into conversations where ultimately the wiki wins, not either of us. There should be no burden of proof for simple grammar edits; you need to let go of this so that we can move on. Shelbysaurus (talk) 15:36, February 1, 2018 (UTC)


 * No problem, Shelby, glad that you took my advice well. FredCat 17:26, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

Issues
Hey, WA, I'm sure you've already seen what I posted on my talk page in response to Shelbysaurus. I do think he/she has some valid criticisms, though more about how we do things than you specifically; at least, that's how I see it.

Like I said to Shelbysaurus, we tend to be pretty liberal in our use of the phrase "edit war". I think what the two of you were doing was fine &mdash; it was constructive in the end &mdash; the only problem was the accusatory tone of "edit war", that set off a series of misunderstandings and unnecessary tension.

I tried to explain as best as I could about the "gatekeeping" being a result of Zeldapedia's limited activity these days. I think that it would probably be best if you either laid off watching his/her edits so closely, or tried to be a bit... kinder in your approach to him/her.

What I mean is that rather than trying to maintain an impossible standard of professionalism to the point where you sound robotic in your accusations, try to remember that there's a human being on the other side of the keyboard. I'm not trying to sound condescending, I just think we can all use a reminder to stop, take a step back, and put things in perspective.

It sounds simplistic, but if you and Shelbysaurus could just be a little nicer to each other (less accusations of edit warring and less accusations of delusions of grandeur or toxic power dynamics), I think some of this needless antagonism will dissipate. — Ceiling  Master  13:46, February 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi CM. In fact, no, I am answering to you now without having read your message on your wall yet (I am redirected right here from a "received message on Zeldapedia"). I, of course, agree with what you have written here, and I had never had such an issue until now. Unfortunately, I do not think the "edit warring" information/advice I left on the Bokoblin Guts was the starting point of tension, since rather very recent. The "edit warring is not tolerated" with an explanation that I left, was indeed to inform since this contributor removes twice a correct info without giving explanation and that I had corrected afterwards then I had to correct another time, I explained it in the edit summary (where writing is limited, I recognise), as you can see from the history. So even though I have never had such a problem with someone until now, I will be more careful with the "edit summary" comments. Here, I recognise that this kind of info, advice left on an edit summary can be read as a bit strict. I recognise in fact to be now somewhat annoyed by her/his behaviour that is not very acceptable. I think is not as I have already written to Shelbysaurus, I have nothing against her/him, and I have explained my "work" of taking a look at the wiki activity, check, maintain, inform, advise, etc. what you call "gatekeeping". But it seems that she/he did not really take into consideration my message, or it does not seem to suit her/him. I think it is is not really a matter of personal susceptibility when someone has a such a behaviour (I comment the several messages Shelbysaurus left), who embroiders events/facts, continue to misinterpret or over-interpret things despite my answers, is very easy to judge (wrongly more) people, maybe because this contributor sees evil everywhere and thinks that she/he is scolded or assaulted when one merely informs or advises, I do not know. I think it is enough blatant by reading her/his intervention in my wall, yours or here. You know in the different Wikis, I take time to inform, advice, thank people, try to adapt things to the point of view, opinion and susceptibility of each one, but here things really took a strange way, both very surprising and unpleasant. I do not like conflict, conflicting relationships, tensions between people, which obviously means that I try to avoid it at best, to adapt to people, but it's not easy when a person only listens to herself, adopts such behavior and locks herself up in her obstinacy. I am aware I tend to be a bit too rigorous, people like me spend a lot of time in Wikis, it is a purely voluntary activity at the service of everyone, unfortunately some people seem to omit this. I also hope this is my last comment about this maladroit issue, there is much more important to do. (My apologies in advance for my not good English practice, possible not good or skillful expression, and for posting this comment without without proofreading.) WiseAdventurer (talk) 16:22, February 2, 2018 (UTC)


 * When I first read Ceiling Master's reply, I was really hopeful that things could be deescalated. All you had to do was agree to step back, but instead you wrote this obtuse and immensely frustrating reply.


 * Why shut down the conversation if you want a resolution? To me, it shows that you just want to have the last word, and you don't care about a resolution between us or about working together.


 * Why reply to a cease fire by CM only to fuel our disagreements by basically lying about your own nature and wildly speculating about mine? (I couldn't help but roll my eyes at "sees evil everywhere" over a simple disagreement) You describe yourself as someone who "take time to inform, advice, thank people, try to adapt things to the point of view, opinion, and susceptibility of each one," but you have never thanked me, given me advice, or adapted to any of my suggestions. By CM's own message, it's easy to see that you have a reputation for being dogmatic, rigid, and quick to claim an "edit war." None of those things really go hand in hand with thankfulness or adaptability. And I do not think that anyone in their right mind would say that the statement "edit warring is not tolerated" is advice. It's an accusatory and thus inflammatory statement, and you must know that. Going to someone's wiki to threaten to revert their edits because of your personal preferences and not as an enforcement of the actual Manual of Style isn't advice either. Fredcat has given me actual advice and helped me learn how to better add and use links. I felt that CM gave great advice in their message here and on their own page. I learned more about the culture in this wiki from them. Meanwhile, I've learned nothing from you. You haven't given me any advice.


 * You can't claim that your messages are neutral and that you've been annoyed with me at the same time. What's really upsetting is that a lot of what you accuse me of doing at things that you do. You say, "But it seems that she/he did not really take into consideration my message, or it does not seem to suit her/him." When I told you the plural was carp, not carps, you dug your feet in; when I tried to make other grammar edits, you edited over them! You wouldn't relent on opening sentence structure until an admin, CM, intervened. You never even considered or acknowledged what I was saying or any of my reasoning. In every message until CM stepped in, you argument basically boiled down to 'we all have to do it this way because I personally have always done it this way.' I pointed out multiple times that your personal style preferences were not supported in the Manual of Style, and you never addressed that. Ultimately, it wasn't any of my ideas or suggestions that swayed you--it was an admin. I asked you before and I will ask you again: does an admin have to intervene in every disagreement that we have? To me, that shows that you are the one who won't consider my messages and thoughts.


 * This is what our current dynamic feels like: I make a reasonable edit, you either directly revert it or otherwise change it, I contest those changes, you threaten me with reverting or edit warring to prevent my changes from going forward, and you shut down the conversation so that you and I cannot work it out, thus ensuring that your own edits stay up regardless of what would make the wiki better. I don't agree with CM that it's a series of compromises--it feels more like you looking for anything to change just so that you can have the last word. This even happens when my edits are undeniably correct, like with CARP.


 * This seems to be your M.O. with every new member. You've gone to several new members' pages over the years to threaten reversion, and they either quit soon after, completely roll over on the issue because they're new and they trust a seasoned editor to have the wiki's (not his own) best interests at heart, or like me and two others on your own talk page, try to start a conversation. It's literally a lie to say that I'm the only person you've ever had an issue with over your over-editing when there are two people on your own talk page who came to talk to you about this same issue--Mr. Knuckles and PSI Fire. It's true that I'm the only one who took the conversation this far--Mr. Knuckes quit soon after you continued your enrelenting reversions and re-edits of their work, and PSI Fire was banned I think because their name appears in red--but it is a lie to say that I'm the only person you've ever had this issue with. Maybe Zeldapedia is such a small community because you make a point to chase away new members.Shelbysaurus (talk) 21:17, February 2, 2018 (UTC)