Zeldapedia:Temple of Courage



Welcome to the Temple of Courage, where various characters from the The Legend of Zelda series battle out on a semi-weekly basis! You, the people, are the deciding factors in these matches. Functionally, all of these battles are popularity contests and not "battles" as such. For instance, in a boss vs. boss fight, we suggest that you vote for the one you like the most rather than whether or not one enemy would beat another in a legit fight. This is only a suggestion, though.

You can suggest a fight or vote or comment on others on the suggestions sub-article.

Rules

 * You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that week.
 * You may only vote once.
 * If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. This section can also be used for users who wish to stay anonymous. However, any votes put in the anonymous sections will only count as a half vote.
 * When a new fight is created (the process should take no longer than a week, give or take a couple of days), the votes from the last fight will be totaled and winner decided.
 * Please sign your vote (unless you want to be counted as an anonymous vote) with a link to your username in front of your eventual voting text.
 * Don't try to rig the votes by entering multiple votes; these pages are regularly patrolled and you WILL face consequences if you are caught.
 * Please don't use talk templates.

Week 45: Death Sword vs. Gomess
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Lurking in the purple corner, we have a floating, giant sword. Hailing from the Gerudo Desert, its wielder hates the light, loves the fight, and is 100% creepy and dead; it's DEATH SWORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD!

And in the gray corner, a shadowy figure emerges. Protected by bats, this creature adores its scythe, enjoys the fight, and loathes light; it's GOMESS!

So, two of Hyrules most mysterious, shadowy creature squaring off in pitch darkness. Who shall win this duel of fierce shadows? That, my dear voters, is up to you! The clash is about to begin, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!
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Votes for Death Sword

 * 1) I'm voting for Death Sword, I don't know anything about Gomess, and Death Sword looks so much cooler anyway User:Iriadinh, Hero of Air
 * 2) I Loved Gomess and I like Majora's Mask more than Twilight Princess, but there is no denying the badass that is Death Sword. --EveryDayJoe45 03:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Gomess may command bats, but Death Sword, if you watch what happens once you beat him, IS bats.  Plus, he looks so much cooler.MaloMart
 * 4) Short and simple answer: Death Sword is better (IMO)Darkest-Link123 13:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) I've gotta go for the undead demonic swordsman. Dark Ridley 13:57, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) They were both pretty easy, but I like Death Sword better because you can alternate between wolf and human. Mrs.MikauShadLink 17:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) I just like the sword.   Metroidhunter32  20:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) first of all he is sooooo cool looking, and second of all anything from the gerudo desert is cool Nayru goddess
 * 9) Death Sword is waaay cooler! User:Linkgirl123
 * 10) Death Sword is awesome, like me. We awesome people have to stick together. If you're awesome, vote for death sword, even though I like Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask User:Hello Doggy
 * 11) Wow, Death Sword is a frickin' dead guy wielding a giagantic sword! C'mon! Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 12) Death Sword ROCKS!!!!.Darth Boba Fett 16:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) I'm voting for Death Sword because: He is a giant ghost with a sword, and you can't see him most of the time, and I don't know what or who Gomess is. User:11drew511
 * 14) I liked Death Sword better because he's more likable in my book. Gomess was just some Grim Reaper wannabe who had the same music as every other mini-boss. Death Sword however was easier but I still got that music and that demonic roar of his stuck in my head. After beating him I reset my Wii and played through Arbiters' Grounds again for the sole sake of doing the battle again. --Flashpenny 21:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) I'm only voting for Death Sword because he (he??) looks cooler...and i have no idea who Gomess is.
 * 2) Gomess is just a bunch of bad bats. I HATE KEESE AND BAD BATS!
 * 3) Gomess wouldnt even see Death swords actual form. That sword could easily swip aside a few bad bats and kill gomess. DER!
 * 4) I think death sword is much worse than Gomess.. Did someone put a seal on him? No. They did that to Death Sword, so he must be scarier. Besides, Death Sword doesn't really have a weakness. I mean, yeah you can kill it by smashing his head, but everyone would die of that. Gomess has an orb that is his weakpoint.
 * 5) death sword just looks cooler. I mean, Gomess is just bats


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Votes for Gomess

 * 1) Gomess is cooler.I needed to beat him 3 times at the stone tower temple.I always forgot to save my game.User:Zelda phoenix
 * 2) Gomess is WAY cooler.User:Fierce Deity Einar
 * 3) This was a tough decision for me, since I love both, but in the end I've got to go with Gomess. Not only does it look badass, but it's actually difficult (Death Sword not so much), the Keese were a nice touch, and it's one of my favorite minibosses from one of my favorite dungeons from one of my favorite regions from one of my favorite worlds from my absolute favorite game. Death Sword is awesome, but Gomess is many times more awesome.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:59, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm going to have to go with Gomess. Considering it's probably teh one that took the life from Death Sword...— Triforce   14 Triforce4.png 05:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) I clearly vote for Gomess. He/it is the best (mini-)boss fight in Majora's Mask without question, and I remember the battle to this day. Death Sword on the other hand, I had to look up to even remember at all. Gomess eins with ease.
 * 6) I'm the kind of dude who decides who wins in a true fight. In that case Gomess would totally win since he can only be killed with light (specifically Light Arrows). Last time I checked Death Sword doesn't have either. Death Sword on the other hand is killed when his sword (which looks more like an elongated meat cleaver than a sword) is destroyed. So Gomess just has his Big Bats steal it, fly it over and once strong scythe swing later... You catch my drift. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 11:39, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) i could give reasons but you know. Oni Dark  Link 15:53, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Gomess is original.  I get the feeling that Dark Sword is a copycat. --Agent Clyde
 * 9) Death Sword was really, really easy to defeat. Gomess on the other hand has always been one of the hardest battles in Majora's Mask for me (and I've beaten the game a few times) besides Gomess looks much cooler and has generally more awesome attacks and a huge scythe whereas Death Sword really broke down for me after I realized that it was some random dogface guy in a cape who throws two pathetic red tennis balls at you.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 10) Gomess is a badass. I mean, that character design looks pretty good even by today's standards. It freaked me out, that's for sure. Death Sword just feels like something ripped off from Final Fantasy XII...boring generic design and function. --Auron  Kaizer !  23:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Death Sword is cool and all, but Gomess is much more cooler, it's made of bats. And only vunerable to Light Arrows. Awesome.
 * 12) Well I just prefer a demon made of bats instead of a demon who turns into moths. Scythe beats sword.--Shade Link 21:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) Death Sword has a briganish look, gomess looks like a god of death. Dialask77 Ice Wizard  [[Image:Ice Sorceror.png|30px]] 13:24, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) Death Sword was really easy, but I forgot to stock up on arrows and magic when I fought Gomess so he was EXTREMLY hard. Plus I love scythe enemies. Oddball464 20:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) I shall vote Gomess, as I can remember the epicness of his battle tons of times more than that of DS (mainly because of the incredible awesomeness of his settlement, the Stone Tower Temple) and plus, Gomess is pretty overlooked, people should do some more research before just giving up their vote to swordy there. --Caiaphasthesympathist 08:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Gomess is waaaaaayyyyy cooler than death sword.  Plus, Majora's mask and ocarina of time are my all time favs, twilight princess is just confusing and dumb =P.


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Peanut Gallery
MaloMart, I'm not trying to change your mind or anything, just informing you. I'm pretty sure that Gomess is indeed a bunch of bats, and in addition, Death Sword is actually a bunch of insects if you look closely. Just so you know.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:03, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Well for the fight intro, technically Gomess is not from Hyrule. Dark Ridley 13:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean technically? Gomess is not from Hyrule period. He's from Termina. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 14:12, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Where'd I say that Gomess was from Hyrule? I don't remember writing that... Sincerely, Watcher.


 * You didn't put Gomess' location on the opening ballot. Also I was correcting Dark Ridley who said that technically Gomess is not from Hyrule. The word "technically" means that in a way that's probably thinking outside the box. Quite frankly Termina is an entirely different place from Hyrule so it's not technically different, it's different period. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 20:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a simple mistake, let it go. PS - I bought this book on video games and philosophy, and in the first chapter, it mentions a whole wiki dedicated to Zelda and it tells people to check it out. Is that us? Yay or Nay? Sorry if I shouldn't be posting this here, I don't know wear I should. Mrs.MikauShadLink 17:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Let it go?? Jeez, people have no respect for us OCD people. By the way, best place for that would probably be the forums. On that note, however, they're either talking about us or Zelda Wiki. Somehow I find it more likely that they're talking about Zelda Wiki, since we're a branch of Wikia and they'd likely know about a wiki for almost every gaming series out there if they were talking about us. Hang on, don't they provide a URL or something? Or do they just expect people to search "Legend of Zelda wiki"?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * is that The Legend of Zelda and Philosophy or a book on video game philosophy in general? Oni Dark Link 21:02, 27 April 2009 (UTC) ps gomess forth voter needs to sign.

The Legend of Zelda and Philosophy, yep! Mrs.MikauShadLink 22:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's ZeldaWiki. That's pretty old news, really. Heh, guess the writer made a wrong turn at Albuquerque. --Auron  Kaizer !  23:41, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

what death sword like thing can be found in final fantasy xii? Oni Dark Link 18:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think he was saying that its design made it look as if it were from Final Fantasy XII, not that it directly resembled something from that game.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I really don't need anyone to speak for me. What I meant is that it might as well be something from FFXII, in that its design is just like something out of that game. Translucent ghost wielding a sword inscribed with magical runes. TP lacks that overall creativity as far as enemy designs go. That being said, Gomess looks like something from earlier FF games. --Auron  Kaizer !  22:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't speaking for you, just saying that I didn't think you were saying what Oni Dark Link thought you were saying.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

damn final fantasy making everythings design first. Oni Dark Link 11:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC) This is a really close battle this week. --EveryDayJoe45 18:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)--EveryDayJoe45 18:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


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Week 44: Chudley vs. Link's Butler
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Link's Butler!" 14.5<22.5 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! We are now proud to present to you the 44th week of the TEMPLE OF COURAGE! All right! To all patrons, if you are not clean, please leave at once.
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In the left corner, we have the snobbish owner of the most expensive store in all of Hyrule! Extremely germophobic, he prices his merchandice as high as the heavens and hates Link; It's CHUUUUUUUUUDLEY!

And in the right corner, we have propped up a door with the image of a man on it. Guardian of the Private Oasis, he is fiercely loyal to his master and hates children; It's THE BUTLEEEEEEEEER!

Two of the meanest, snobbiest, most germophobic men ever to stand in this Temple will now face off in a battle of snobbishness. Who will win? As always, it's up to you, my dear voters! We cannot delay any longer, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!
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Votes for Chudley

 * 1) Chudley can do the moonwalk. Enough said!
 * 2) Chudley would win the same way any other dude would kill the Butler who's basically a spirit in a door which is made of wood: use the powers of nature. And believe there's nothing more natural than fire! --Big Poe=Nice Guy 23:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) well, a door against a man. umm. Chudley obviously. i mean he could beat the door up and the door couldn't do anything about it. -- molgera the octo
 * 4) The Butlets shriek when you decide not to play the puzzle annoys me Darkest-Link123 01:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Easily Chudley. //Khanson
 * 6) All Chudly needs to do is get a woodchipper LOL :) --Twilightwizard0309 11:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) A shopkeeper with weapon supplies and the Magic Armor versus a door in a house on an island...pretty obvious who's gonna win, eh? Leo Crimson 14:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Oh sh*t, i missed to vote on the last battle. Anyway my vote goes to Chudley cause' i hardly know who the butler is. Hevehoc 07:11 22 April 2009 (CET)
 * 9) Voting for Chudley because he is hilarious when he turns good and works at Malo Mart. Oddball464 17:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) Well neither of them actually do much but this guy comes with really cool theme music (can't get it out'a my head).--Gbadude3 18:11, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Chudly can easilly slash the butler with his super sharp razor ears. Zafum
 * Man, who can deny the idea of a guy who will rob you of your lifes savings for a measly ten arrows? I hate Chudly, but he sure knows how to make a living! Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 1) A door. Amazing.the most snobbish person of all time against a door.Bkarcher97

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Ummm.....chudley......is not a door (giggle), just think that this is a little stupid to pit a door against a LIVE person, even if they are big fat snobish boars, easy pick.  Oh, and last weeks fight was amazing!  Almost a let down this week, but I can't help myself!
 * 2) never met the butler, but he is after all, just a door. Whereas to even get into  Chudley's shop you had to get your boots shined. nont to mention that he charged 2000 rupees for a bundle of arrows! When malo mart bought out his store he did a funny dance with a Megaphone on his head.
 * 3) He may be snobbish but he is just darn funny when he says "Oh, how terrible to be you". He gets my vote.
 * 4) YOU WANT IT, YOU BUY IT, BUY IT NOW AT MALO MART! Woo!
 * 5) The butler is just a door. I like the way Chudley dances. MALO MART!!!!! YEAH!!!!!


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Votes for Butler

 * Ok, i do not really know WHY i am voting, but i choose butler because......well, at least he does not have to dance like an idiot when someone else owns his place. Plus, he could just lock Chudly out of the Oasis cabana and raise an army, then unlock the door and the army could rush out and blow Chudly into the ocean, or even just simply lock Chudly out and starve him to death.--Shade Link 23:40, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Whereas Chudley is simply a HUGE snob, Butler is an incomprehensible entity which manifests itself as a drawing on a door as well as on several out-of-place cardboard cutouts. Chances are, he possesses great power and follows no leader other than the owner of the cabana. Butler is truly a force to be reckoned with.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 2) Yay for sentient pieces of wood.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Link's Butler physicly controls a house and can do anything with it, while chudly is just a shopkeeper. Windwakerfan
 * 4) Chudley is boring.  The butler is cool (except for the tile game).  Doors rule!  --MoscowModder
 * 5) Hey the butler can control the house.  Just imagine, if chudley entered the house then the butler would get the house to eat him or something.  Dialask77  Ice Wizard  Ice Sorceror.png 12:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) A much more unique character and I absolutely despised Chudley. I never even noticed the Butler's rudeness that much, But Chudley was just too obnoxious for my liking. --EveryDayJoe45 19:28, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) I got meself a crying, talking, sleeping, walking LIVING DOOR! This guy scared me the first time I played the game. Bad texturing work for the win. Chudley is cool and all, but he's not as weird or interesting as Link's Butler. Just plain cool. Feel a bit sad for Chudley though...if XXXXX was still around, there would be a 1,500 letter essay on how awesome he is, which would have likely swayed me and anyone else into changing our opinions. Ah, those lost days of yore...? --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  19:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) I love Link's Butler! He's just so awsome! And plus, I've never had clean enough shoes for Chudley. I can't find Soal! Mrs.MikauShadLink 22:30, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) He's got an army of Redeads and Rats in his basement, an army of Cardboard Cutouts in his living room, bows to nobody but the hero chosen by the Cabana Deed, is freaking rich, and wields the power of the Rubix Portraits: Chudley gets bought of his own store by a two-year-old from the boonies. Who should I vote for? :P *whisper whisper* Chudley is a sellout - Butler FTW! 19:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Kamari no Hyrule
 * 10) I was going to vote Chudley, til I realized just how much more obnoxious he was than the Butler. Besides, the latter was a lot more likeable and free-minded than the guy who stands behind the counter doing any kind of ridiculous thing his boss pays him to do. --Caiaphasthesympathist 23:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) You've got to love the butler. He scared me when I was young when he screams at you. "DON'T TOUCH ME WITH YOUR FILTHY HANDS!" Kopaka251 02:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) The butler is magic! He is a talking cardboard cutout with his own intelligence, whereas Chudley is a greedy jerk. AGENT CLYDE
 * 13) First, the butler is a door, not a person, and that means ht it is like a kind of magical spell. Second, he has basement full of Redeads and Rats that would scare off Chudley. Third, he can also kill Chudley of desperation by making him play his little Slide-Puzzle game, if he manages to open the door first. Snakeboss14
 * 14) I don't really know anything about either character, but I'm going with the Butler, he seems like a more interesting character. I mean how many doors with a guy painted on them do you know who can managed a whole island? I didn't think so. User:Iriadinh, Hero of Air
 * 15) Personally, I don't really care. I just prefer the butler to that snobbish, stingy, greedy miser of a shopkeeper. Sir Real
 * 16) Any one but Chudley! User:BetweenBlack&White
 * 17) OMG I LOVE THE BUTLER! Me and the butler are tight! Nayru goddess

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Chudley looks like a goon, the wind waker door butler was one cool dude
 * 2) Hurray for the talking cardboards..
 * 3) I perfer the butler over Chudley because when he helps, he doesn't charge you anything!
 * 4) I just can't get enough of the butlers sliding picture puzzles! Hours of fun! From, Midna Rocks
 * 5) Chudley makes everything cost, like, 100,000,000! But actually, I haven't seen the butler in Wind Waker yet...
 * 6) OMG! I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A TALKING DOOR BUTLER
 * 7) as a wise man once said, you can't beat a talking door butler!!
 * 8) its a talking door. COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * 9) He has no blood, so he can't feel anything. Mr. Fairy


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Peanut Gallery
sorry about the mess up. the first vote was mine, i forgot to log on, but i changed it ^_^ --Shade Link 19:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey we need a better picture for the butlerDarkest-Link123 01:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe, what did I tell you Joe? My mind powers know no boundaries! "Bombers vs. Killer Bees" my foot. You suck! :) --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  19:44, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There's too much opposition against "Bombers vs. Killer Bees" so I'm not bringing it back ever again. And who sucks, AK? Portal-  Kombat
 * Whomever holds the vacuum cleaner. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  20:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * thatd be me <font color="66FFFF">Oni Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 20:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not lol in the slightest, AK... Portal-  Kombat
 * You expected a quote from Scrubs to be funny? --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  20:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't expect a Scrubs quote, period. Portal-  Kombat

Oh no, I just realized that Majora only beat Zant by 24 votes, which means that Big Poe vs. Them is still the most one-sided fight ever.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, PK if you're going to abandon Bombers vs. Killer Bees, then I'm going to start suggesting it. The fight is pretty good and is almost always right on the win line.  Metroidhunter32  22:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm supporting you/myself all the way! Portal- Kombat

I'd kill for a fight that didn't end up becoming one-sided almost immediately. But I guess such a thing don't exist. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 01:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No no, it's as real as the Land of Oz, Jesus and fair trials. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron ''' Kaizer

<font color="#3ba0c5">! ''' 01:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoa that's low dude. I bet you that many Christians (including me) will probably hate you for that comment. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 14:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It's happened before. While almost all fights eventually do become one-sided, Garo vs. Sheikah was very close right up to the end when Sheikah pulled ahead. Now me, what I'd kill for would be you not automatically stating an absolute.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm offended on so many levels. Please watch what you say as it could be extremely offensive to the point of making people want to use your grave as a toilet. Turtleman579


 * Link the Pig vs. Lord Bulbo wasn't one sided. It was as close as it was awesome. Portal-  Kombat
 * Rusl vs. Orca turned around in the middle of the week. That count?   Metroidhunter32  11:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * True a lot of these matches do become, or start out as, one sided, but this is an opinion poll and the general opinion of the group of people who vote usually have the a same opinion. Some things are just more popular than other things, and Big Poe this is just one big popularity contest in essence.  AK that was really low, but It is not my place to say what someone can or cannot say, no? User:Ccbermanzzpedia April 25th 3:07 (UTC)


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Week 43: Majora vs. Zant
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Majora!" 41.5>17.5 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! We are now proud to bring you the explosive 43rd week in the TEMPLE OF COURAGE! All right! And what a fight we have for you this week!
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In the purple corner floats a frightening visage, confined to a mask. Supposedly trapped there for thousands of years, he has the power of a god, no grip on his sanity, the ability to change shape, and a desire to destroy Termina; it's MAJORAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

And shrouded in shadows in the brown corner, a man whose mask terrifies all. Tossed aside by his people, he too has the power of a god, a slippery grip on sanity, can change himself and the world around him, and wishes to conquer Hyrule; it's ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT!

Two terrifying, monstrous, insane, all-powerful beings get ready to clash. But in the end, only one will walk away a champion. Who will win? Will the Temple of Courage even survive? That, my dear voters is up to you! We all want to see this fight, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!
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Votes for Majora

 * 1) I think majora is cooler!But I beated her in 5 minutes with the fierce deity mask!User:Ania+Link
 * 2) Two simple words,Majora rules! User:Fierce Deity Einar
 * 3) Majora is a god.  Zant... well I lost a little faith in him when he began to bash his head into the ground and cry like a little four-year-old.  <font color="66FFFF">Dialask77  Ice Wizard  Ice Sorceror.png 22:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Majora is crazy, just like me! My vote goes to him. User:Hello Doggy
 * 5) I can't really decide since these are my two favorite Zelda villains but ultimately it has to be Majora. While both are pretty despicable Majora is pretty much epitomizes the term evil. He tried to blow up the world. Why? Because he's a genocidal sadist who's getting kicks out of watching the Terminans' suffering (He's obviously sadistic as the Moon's smile widened when the 4 Guardians began to struggle at the end.) Also Majora would obviously own Zant: even in mask form his powers rivals or perhaps even surpasses Ganondorf's. And who gave Zant his powers? And just one last point: without Ganondorf, Zant would be nothing. Majora is one of the more competent villains in videogame history and is one of the few villains out there who has a good reason for not offing the hero as soon as the game kicks off. Also let's face it, Majora has more guts than Zant. Majora fought to his last breath whilst Zant fled after his fight was over and ultimately committed suicide. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 01:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) I liked Majora a lot more. If I didn't become a Deity he was hard to beat. Not to mention he almost destroyed an entire land, whereas Zant was a puppet. --EveryDayJoe45 02:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Man oh man...a God of chaos, more or less. There's just something about the lack of logic in Majora's thinking that is so, err, cool. Awesome, even. Zant just feels like he forgot his meds, but Majora feels somehow incurable of its mental...thingy. Also, at least the boss fights are somewhat challenging (when you're not using the Fierce Deity Mask) in comparison to Zant, who in his disgusting displays of narcisissm summons copies of himself. That's lame. Anyway, for whatever reason, Majora wins this. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  03:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Majora. It's barely even a contest... Zant just plain has no personality or will of his own. User:Mr. biggles
 * 9) The embodiment of evil verses a puppet? Haha don't make me laugh.—Triforce4.png Triforce   14 ( ... ) 03:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) Everything's already been said.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) ever hear his childish laugh? creepy. <font color="66FFFF">Oni Dark  <font color="#007A00">Link 08:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) Well LETS get this straight! just as AK said, Zant just plain forgot his meds, and plus, Zant got his powers from GANONDORF, a guy who got owned by a sword, something that BOKOBLINS could survive. Majora always had his powers and even after being sealed away for thousands of years, his ultimate power STILL was great and well in use. Majora can control his behavior, while Zant, when he gets mad, he starts running around screaming. here are the examples of Zant and how he acts: 1. he makes weird noises when he fires energy at you: agheghehgehghehgehgehgeghe! 2. When you crush his foot with the ball and chain:*clutches his foot and jumps around and shrinks* 3. When you are fighting in sword combat with him, when he slashes up and down he goes:"WHAT WAA WHA WAH WAH WAH WAH?!" then when he performs the :hurricane slash, he goes: "EEEEEEEEARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH! --Shade Link 13:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) Majora has a kind of cold focused insanity.  Zant on the other hand is rubber room material.  If you met zant he is clearly insane but Majora could integrate himself into society, and destroy it any way he wants.  Also a guy so powerfull as to pull the moon out of its orbit vs. pinochio.   Metroidhunter32  12:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) Majora because his fight was unique. Zant for most of it you were just fighting the other bosses again. Twilitlink 19:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) I don't know why.--Power courage wisdom and time 23:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) Both Majora and Zant were seemingly powerful villains that turned out to have climactic battles that weren't as climactic as you expected them to be... but Majora's undoubtably was much tougher, the final form took me what felt like half an hour.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 17) Zant? Referred to Ganondorf as his god. Majora? Pretty much WAS a god. Zant? A puppet. Majora? Made other people his puppets. Zant? Easy. Majora? Nearly impossible unless you quite literally have the power of a god. Yeah, think I'm going to go with Majora, here! --Ryttu3k 10:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 18) Majora seems psychotic to people because his motives for destroying stuff are unclear, and his Incarnation has a tendency to do Russian dances from time to time. Zant... I can easily see him singing Dr. Demento's "They're Coming To Take Me Away" song. *shivers* Majora is cooler by far. TP LOOKS awesome, but story and difficulty are generally lacking, other than Midna. But I digress.-- Bek   (talk)  23:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 19) Deffinately the strangest of all the zelda villians, he has my vote! Plus, just look at Zant's face. LOOK AT IT. Thats all I need to say. User:Awesomeguy
 * 20) After I fought Zant, I really considered turning the game off so that I could unplug it and take the Wii to a therapist and fight Zant again in front of him/her. Yeah I'm voting for Majora.[[File:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Ages).gif]]Twoface13[[File:Maku_Seed_(Oracle_of_Seasons).gif]]
 * 21) Zant may be a great character, but he screeches like a monkey. He is really childish, and is actually considered to be a moron blessed with incredible power (from Ganondorf, which he stupidly thought was a god).Bkarcher97
 * 22) Majora is a calculating, apocalyptic villian but Zant is just Gannondorf's insane minion.--Gbadude3 19:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 23) Zant was quite awesome at first, but the sudden revelation of his puniness will make heads shift towards Majora's delightful insane powers. Caiaphas the sympathist
 * 24) Zant is just Ganondorf's tool to conquer Hyrule, Majora has his own strategy and if it weren't for Link's time manipulation he would've succeeded. Also if Zant and Majora were to meet, Zant would probably abandon Ganondorf and become Majora's servant instead. Oddball464 16:37, 15 2009 (UTC)
 * 25) Easily Majora. One of the most underestimated villains in any Zelda-game ever. And by the way, Majora is the bad guy behind the scene. Zant is just a puppet for Ganondorf all along. Easy choice of who is more powerful (and awesome) //Khanson
 * 26) Majora reminds me of The Joker from the Dark Knight. Not only do they look just as pretty :-), they are also both completely and UTTERLY sadistic, insane and evil. Majora enjoys destroying the world so much, he'll give his enemy the power to defeat him just for the sake of a game. INSANE!!!!--PoogMaster 23:11, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 27) Majora gets my vote for a number of reasons. Mostly, he/she/it gets my vote because Zant was just following Ganondorf. But Majora doesn't take orders from ANYBODY! Also, I think it's really disturbing how Majora screams, as opposed to Zant's yelling. And look at Majora's cossack dance! You've GOTTA be pretty damn strong to do that dance that well. Sir Real
 * 28) Even though I say that all of Zants anonymous votes (the insane(35 in total) amount of short sentances) are possibly legal I would say that Majora would win because he was a much tougher oppent than Zant and was the boss that was hardest that wasn't Ganandorf.  He also is totally insane because in return for all of the masks he gave you the greatest mask of all and his greatest weakness. Zant is has a stronger grip on reality than Majora, but is insane none-the-less.  Their different renditions of the same idea, Majora is just the better rendition of the two.  I still liked TP more than MM but in this sense MM is better. (The only shote Zant has is if those votes come back, only chance he's got.)  User:Ccbermanzzpedia 10:32 April 17 2009
 * 29) Majora, hands down. I mean, seriously. When was the last time you saw Zant steal a horse PERSONALLY? When was the last time you saw Zant bring down the moon? When was the last time you saw Zant turn the moon into a constipated, red eyed, retarded death monster? When was the last time you saw Zant break every single great fairy in the world into, like, a hundred pieces? When was the last time you saw Zant take over a kids mind, and make him imprison all his friends in the bodies and wills of great masked monster beasts? I'll tell you the answer - NEVER! Zant needed the power of a veteran evil-doer to conquer one castle, and he needed an army to take another. He couldn't even break a mirror, while Majora caused the death of three innocence (The Deku Butler's Son, Darmani the Goron Hero, and Mikau the Zora Guitarist) using nothing but a Skull Kid, 2 fairies, and 4 Masks. Now thats awesome right there.--Kamari no Hyrule 02:00, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 30) Majora rules!  Actually, both are pretty easy.  But while Majora is creepy in a way that only Majora can be, Zant is only nuts.  Especially when he totally lost it before the battle. --MoscowModder
 * 31) pshhh, majora obviously, TRY TO BEAT HIM WITHOUT FIERCE DEITY MASK!! its hard! zants only insane, sincerly--75.174.73.63 22:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)molgera the octo
 * Oh, this was a hard one, but I was really excited to see it made it to the Temple of Courage! Zant was cool, and if it didn't feel like he just lost it in the end because he knew he was going to die, then he'd get my vote. That's not the case. Majora just... to quote Dark Knight "wants to watch the world burn" and that's my favorite kind of villain. --Daydreamer3173
 * 1) First of all, Zant doesn't even have any special powers, apart from being a Twili. Second, Majora wasn't even at full power when hefought Link in MM. Even if Zant had Ganondorf's lent power, Majora would still own him. Even if Majora had to fight Ganondorf, we would still win if he was at full power.DarthLink

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Majora is awesome. The whole unknown mysteries of his origin is captivating.
 * 2) i vote for majora. when he loses i am ganna put majora's mask on and kill zant.
 * 3) majora is great! i mean, without ganondorf zant isn't aything plus whos a better villian than an entity created by the sole hatred of someone
 * 4) I vote Majora because he's like a god or demon god, and could transform into something horribal and snap Zants puny neck I also like Majora better than Zant. Also Zant is just a puppet while Majora is a sadistic mad physco Demon sealed into a mask. In other words Majora OWNS Zant.
 * 5) majora is WAY BETTER, Zant looks like a C-L-O-W-N without his mask. and when you kick his butt he throws a temper tantrum (or is it a temper ZANTrum? :) LOL)majora looks like a kick butt villan and is harder to beat. so my money on majora! :)
 * 6) Majora almost beats Oni Link in awesome. He ways beats Zant.
 * 7) WHOO an evil mask that tries to destroy the world.. that is soo original! besides, Zant looks weird
 * 8) Majora is one of the best bosses, he looks cooler and is funner to fight than Zant. Zant isn't that cool. He's weird. And Majora can moonwalk!!!!!
 * 9) Majora. Cos hes a basicly a god
 * 10) Definately Majora.
 * 11) Majora is fun! He,(or rather "it"), chooses to tempt the last person you would expect, skull kid.  Plus, Majora is a major boss!  It has its own powers, not somebody elses!
 * 12) Masks dude. Masks. Mr.Fairy.
 * 13) He made almost an entire land afraid, by bringing the Moon out of its orbit.  Last I checked, the moon wasn't a small object. Plus he's not a puppet like Zant, he makes people his puppets and when he's done with them, he gets rid of them.  And let's not forget that he turns our hero into a Deku Scrub and steals the Ocarina of Time and Epona.  Plus Majora's Wrath just looks awesome.
 * 14) Majora is awesome he will destroy zant
 * 15) Zant's behavior was just silly. Majora was freaking awesome, and I love irreversably insane characters like that.
 * 16) Majora definately mostly because his past is unknown and he can destroy a place for no reason. He also brought the moon  down nearly killed an  entire land ruined everybodys lives messed up links quest to  find navi and above all he's a mask with god like powers or a god in a mask or something like that and Zant was only a puppet.
 * 17) Although I haven't played either (in fact, the only Zelda game I played was Ocarina, and I got that this Easter), Majora seems just plain awesome. He was basically a god, and like others have said, Zant just lost his meds, but Majora is some sort of schizofrenic, bipolar, manic, sociopath that was sent to an insane asylum but killed everyone there. Besides, when did Zant ever almost succesfully crush the planet with the moon?


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Votes for Zant

 * 1) Zant might be lackluster at times, but considering the fact that Majora gives Link the power of his greatest enemy, I'd have to say Zant wins. User:NintendoKitsune
 * 2) Zant all the way, baby! He may not be a god, but he conqured Hyrule in less than a minute, and not to mention the fact that he's bloody insane! Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 3) I'm having alot of trouble with this one, but I would have to say Zant. Majora has little to no grip on his sanity whatsoever and seems a little childish, but then Zant is also primarily insane. Zant is the lesser of two evils, at least he isn't trying to destroy a world just for the fun of it. User: Iriadinh, Hero of Air
 * 4) If it was Majora while attached to skull kid, he would have totally gotten my vote, but it's just plain Majora, and he's a little boring. I prefer the one's who are insane enough to break their own necks! Mrs.MikauShadLink 08:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Anyone that can go out in public in that getup gets my vote. He's such an utter creep; I could totally see his funny face just waiting behind a bush somewhere, peeping in windows or something...i wonder where i could find such an outfit Katamariqueen 14:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Zant had more story to him and he is stronger, thats right you heard me. Majora got owned by kid Link with a Kokori sword and no ToC, Zant got owned by the ToC and not only the Master Sword but the Master Sword filled with the power of his godsDarkest-Link123 16:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) I love insane characters, and Zant takes the cake in that regard. Majora was crazy too, but the way Zant would snap back and forth to calm to insane was stirring. Plus, Zant's boss battle (and the battle music) is my absolute favorite in the whole series. That said, this was actually one of the toughest choices I've had to make so far, even if it is a lost cause (T.T). LapisScarab 19:15, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Zant was really something. He was immature, impudent, insane, and stupid. He suffered from several mental disabilities, and had the easiest boss battle in the ENTIRE FRIKKIN GAME. He even was dumb enough to beleve Ganon was a god. And finally, the guy died by inflating and popping like a balloon. That's just a terrible way to kill off a character. If it weren't for Majora, he'd be the worst villain in the series. EAT IT MM FANS!!!!!  Vaati ( Talk to Vaat) 23:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) Zant was cool. He appeared at random times, did something cool, and in the end he threw a huge temper tamtrum and then i killed him. he gets my vote User:SOLDIER1stJ
 * 10) I am a huge Zant fan. His boss battle was way better and more fun then the Majora's Mask battle. Plus, take a look at my screen name. eed I say more? --Twilightwizard0309 17:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Zant was so awesome, I loved his mask, but most of all I loved the story behind him, it really shows the depth of his character...you know behind the insanityNayru goddess
 * 12) We just don't know enough about Majora for him to be cool. Zant has a good background. User:RadiantSoul

Anonymous votes

 * 1) ZANT SHOULD BE THE ONE HE'S AWSOME AND COOL AND CUNNING AND CAN JUGGLE MAJORA WITH A PINKY
 * 2) I think most of us think this is a pretty tough decision but I think I have to go with Zant because... I'm not really sure. I guess I like his craziness
 * 3) He is awsome!
 * 4) I like the fact that he is insane and that he was harder than Majora.
 * 5) This is such a sweet match!  He can take down anyone!
 * 6) Zant can play soccer with Majora......with Majora as the soccer ball!
 * 7) They are both very dark.....Zant is a way better fighter than Majora.
 * 8) Zant is way more powerfull than Majora!  How can Majora win if he is isn't powerful.
 * 9) Majora is mask.  Zant where's one,  see who is better know?
 * 10) I liked how Zant took something from every boss then put his own twist on it. From, Midna Rocks.
 * 11) I just think he has a kewl mask...


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Peanut Gallery
Why do so many people think that these two guys are insane? That thought never crossed my mind. Unless I'm mistakened (and I'm not) except for Twilight Princess Ganondorf/Ganon always goes into a psychopathic rage when everything falls apart for him so that could just easily be the same scenario. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 01:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

How are you not seeing Zant going insane? Also, I very strongly disagree that Ganondorf ever shows insane tendencies (well, at least in the games I've played, but I kind of doubt that he's showing more personality in the 2D games).  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they always say that the first sign of someone "cracking" is when they start laughing at their failure...like Ganondorf does. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  03:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Uhh... he wanted to rule the world. He countlessly murdered individuals who got in his way. If Ganon wasn't insane, then what are the serial killers we have in jail all around the world? Vaati ( Talk to Vaat) 01:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * well he did seem quite out of his head the first time i saw him turn into ganon in ocerina of time and i know you havnt played them xyz but he shows full insanity at the end of the oracles where he becomes a majora of sorts with only one desire which is destruction <font color="66FFFF">Oni Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 08:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * In two of the three 3D Zelda games I own where Ganondorf is the main villain ultimately he goes insane after his plan fails thus setting up an exciting battle. In Ocarina of Time after defeat at the hands of Link he thinks its a good idea to sacrifice his soul to the darkest forces in the universe as evidenced by his heavy breathing and demonic eyes. In The Wind Waker after the King uses the Triforce for good Ganondorf begins laughing maniacally for a couple minutes before engaging in a one final sword duel where he fights like the bizarre love child of Yoda and Darth Maul. Also according to my internet sources he also went cucco in the Oracle games (although this is for other reasons). Admittedly I did realize Zant lost his sanity in battle but Majora? I just thought he was using everything he could in battle considering the fact he was trapped in a friggin' Mask. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 11:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * O yeah i forgot about wind waker. <font color="66FFFF">Oni Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 12:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I could really see the Majora insanity issue going either way, so he/she/it isn't really significant in this conversation. As for Zant, he's definitely insane. I know Ganondorf is insane in the Oracle games, but that's only because he wasn't revived fully and as such was not his true calculating self. I suppose one could interpret the ending of Ocarina of Time or Wind Waker as insanity, but we're really talking about very different kinds of insanity here. While Ganondorf may go into a "psychopathic rage" or laugh for a really long time when he fails, Zant starts screeching and banging his head on the ground. Really, quite a few villains would do what Ganondorf does when he loses (go somewhat insane due to rage and desperation). Zant, on the other hand, is quite clearly as insane as you can possibly get, and not just at the end of the game; while he appears quite sane in several scenes, we see in the flashback of him meeting Ganondorf that he was already losing his grip on sanity prior the the events of the game.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah I forgot about that part. Well either way I'm primarily pointing out that Majora probably isn't insane. If you were trapped in a Mask and you had to transform yourself to become more powerful it's better to transform into something insane rather than something intelligent because insanity has the tendency to adapt to different forms of combat better than intelligence (as far as fighting style goes). As for his plot being insane: I already explained that on my vote for Majora. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 21:19, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing that Majora is insane. Some people interpret his/her/its actions as insane and some don't....I personally don't have an opinion on the issue. Majora is awesome, and if he's/she's/it's insane, that's a trivial issue.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

guys, i am Shade Link. that 9th vote was mine, but for some reason, i got logged out, and i can't find my password, so do not delete the vote yet!

never mind i got back on.--Shade Link 13:05, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Guys, I just finished creating a new article: Gold Phantom. Can someone please help find a picture of one and upload it? thanks! --Shade Link 18:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, dude, this isn't where you should post stuff not related to the Temple of Courage. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  18:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah i know, but the password stuff was just being used to tell everyone so they did not delete my vote until i got back on. The Gold Phantom part was just to alert people, so they could add stuff on the page if they knew something i did not put.--Shade Link 21:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah....and the Gold Phantom article has absolutely nothing to do with the Temple of Courage. What you're doing here is taking advantage of the Temple of Courage's popularity to advertise an article that you made and want people to improve.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

XYZ, i am not taking advantage of the Temple of Courage, telling somebody about a new article is not advertising. Plus, i am sure a few quotes in the peanut gallery don't have anything to do with the Temple of Courage. Lets NOT debate of what we think and know, because this would lead to a GIGANTIC argument of insults, comebacks, and proving their points till the end of time.--Shade Link 12:58, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm, XYZ, you could have put that more nicely. Anyway, the point is, this isn't for discussion about things not related to the ToC, as I said. Everyone can read the recent changes page just fine, and spot the edit you made and then further expand upon that one. Let's keep it that way. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  15:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Grrrrr. I smell foul play. Revenge! REVENGE!!! Dekutulla

(Sweatdrop) Why is everyone writing essays here this week. Also, it's time to archive. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * Hmm, I always wonder...do Japanese anime characters smell bad, since they sweat so much? --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  07:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * (Biger sweatdrop) That was kinda random, AK... Sincerely, Watcher.

Is it just me or did all those anonymous votes for Zant come out of nowhere? They also seem oddly tied together, as if one string of horribly spelled sentences were made into 30-something votes. Katamariqueen 17:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Guess those Republicans are at it again with the vote rigging. Anyhoo, he's gone now. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  19:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Kinda hard to believe how one-sided this fight is. Looks like you were right AK: someone saying this fight is the coolest ever does make it one-sided. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 20:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to un-jinx it but it was already too late...guess we'll just have to watch Zant get kicked while he's already down until next week. unless AK wants to put all those ridiculous (not to mention totally legit, lol) anonymous votes back up, then maybe Zant might have a fighting chance. Katamariqueen 21:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is it that nobody keeps things like this long enough so we can bann the IP of whoever did it? Darkest-Link123 23:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Uh to Sorcerer Vaati, Zant didn't die when Midna impaled him with her hair spears. It did temporarily kill him but according to his dialogue Ganondorf eventually resurrected him. Zant was killed at the very end of the game when he saw Ganondorf dying and upon realizing that he's screwed anyway he committed suicide by breaking his neck. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 02:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * That's theory, man. The moment in which Ganondorf experiences a vision of Zant is riddled with such symbolism that even I haven't sorted it out yet. You have inspired me to think deeper about the entire series of events around Zant's "death," however. Vaati ( Talk to Vaat) 01:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually it's not a theory. I dunno what that was at the very end of game when Zant appeared and broke his neck: a vision, symbolism, his spirit, he just popped out of nowhere etc. but I do believe it was just suicide since he realized that since his "god" is screwed he is too anyway. Also Zant did say to Midna and Link after they defeated him that Ganondorf will resurrect him. Midna then got real angry and impaled him. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 20:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You're being very shallow on this. Just because Zant says he would be resurrected endlessly doesn't mean he was. I think it's very possible that Ganondorf found the guy useless and completely betrayed him, letting him die. Also, the phrases I made bold in your comment denote that yes, it is a theory, and not fact. Vaati ( Talk to Vaat) 22:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Uh isn't it against the wiki rules to change someone else's message no matter how minor? Either way I don't like mine being rectified by anyone but me so I'm changing it back to normal whether you like it or not. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 23:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Umm...I was on when all those anonymous votes where on and I found that there was 35 of them in total. Crazy! User:Ccbermanzzpedia 2:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Now that I think about it all those anonymous votes for Zant are totally legal, just crazy, but they should be put back on, agreeing with a comment above me. User:Ccbermanzzpedia 8:15, same date as my last comment.
 * How the hell are they legal? everyone gets one vote, not 35.   Metroidhunter32  01:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

True, thats why you get the IP and say "Hey guys they all have the same IP" and then bann it. Or you could use area code thats 95% chance their all the same person with just 2 people so I dont think anyone would argue. Darkest-Link123 01:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that (most ;).) anonymous votes have no signature and it's difficult to prove they are the same person.

Have we no mods who wish to serve justice? Anyway you can check on the history, signed or not it will tell you the IP. You just cant find the area code this way you need a mod for that.Darkest-Link123 03:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

All right whoever put those on there was wrong, I'm just saying that a few of them might have been somebody else and then it would be wrong to take those comments away. You know what, just leave them ALL off and if the same person does it again just block them. All that I'm saying is that there is the outside chance that not all of them are the same person, and then it would be unfair to take all of them off. Either way it's crazy how many there were! User:Ccbermanzzpedia 10:05, April 17th 2009
 * No, that huge batch of rig votes were all put there by the same IP. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  14:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay, then keep them keep them off. I guess I was mistaken. It was unfair that they were all put on, and somebody needs to think of something that will prevent them from voting more than once other than honesty, but don't look at me to figure someting out because I'm not a computer wiz, I just come up with ideas. Maybe make a rule about anonoymous votes that limits people from voting more than once. Put it on next week so that no one gets upset, but don't say "Upset about what?" How the hell would I konw, people are wierd like that, besides it seems more officail if rules are changed or added in between matches, no? User:Ccbermanzzpedia 10:52 April 17 2009
 * There is no way of preventing that people vote more than once. Spotting such edits and removing them is basically our only choice. Would be cool if people could stop doing it, but you know what they say: people are evil. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  14:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I see now, and well it sucks, but that's just me voiceing my gripes again, I shall look out for this vandal and will (if I notice him/her) shall report them imedately! And wow there were that many votes?, even if I counted them it's still a shocker! User:Ccbermanzzpedia 11:23 April 17th 2009

Wow. I think this is the most voters we have ever gotten. Majora has thirty votes for him alone. Even in big poe vs. Them, them/they only had 25 and then there all the votes for zant. That is a total of over fourty voters.  Metroidhunter32  11:49, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Double Wow. Majora now has 40 votes! Zant has 17.5 and it looks as if there's over 70 voters so far! Portal- Kombat

Even though this probably has nothing to do with the ToC I just realized this and thought I should post this. If you think of roles as far as stories goes they're pretty much vice-versa of each other. In both MM and TP for a majority of the game you think someone is the main villain before it's revealed that another dude is the main villain. In MM the player originally thought Skull Kid was behind it all before Majora came into play whilst in TP we thought Zant was doing all this but Ganondorf was really behind it all. Anyone ever noticed that? --Big Poe=Nice Guy 20:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, same thing with Vaati in Four Swords Adventures. It's also blatantly overused in the Subspace Emissary of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. (all random villains work for Master Hand, who works for Tabuu) Also, in cases where one villain is controlled by another it usually feels way less climactic that way, save for Majora's Mask. I thought that it would be cool if you JUST fought Vaati or JUST fought Zant without some overused, tacked-on stupid villain with a bad haircut pulling the strings. Portal- Kombat

That is true and I did personally find Ganondorf's inclusion in TP unwelcome. Zant's aura of sophistication and sheer terror from the Mask he wore coupled with the very first quote his said in the game being outright ruthless and yet nonchalant ("So you have two choices: surrender or die!") made him tied to Majora as far as greatest Zelda villains go for me. Of course when it's revealed Ganondorf was just pulling the strings that did kinda make him less evil and when it was revealed he was a friggin' psycho that just made me hate Nintendo for a spell. They create an evil villain, an aura of evilness etc. and then make the battle disappointing-as-Hell. Shigeru has no problem doing this is recent times as shown in the final battles of TP and Super Mario Sunshine. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 23:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Super Mario Sunshine has the most letdown of a final boss ever, but Twilight Princess Ganondorf is very disappointing too. I don't want to say that a final boss can "make or break the game" because that's certainly not true, both Twilight Princess and Super Mario Sunshine were good games in my opinion. But lame final bosses do leave bad lasting impressions of the game. That's why awesome final bosses are so awesome (redundant) Portal-  Kombat

In my opinion the biggest letdown of a final boss ever is probably Marluxia from the remake of Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories (which is the only KH remake that is available in the US). Bowser was an incompetent oaf and Ganondorf barely even appeared so when such a badass turns out to fall over like... damn it mental block can't think of analogy... but either you get what I mean. --Big Poe=Nice Guy 20:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


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