Zeldapedia:Temple of Courage



Welcome to the Temple of Courage, where various characters from the Legend of Zelda series battle out on a semi-weekly basis! You, the people, are the deciding factors in these matches. Functionally, all of these battles are popularity contests and not "battles" as such. For instance, in a boss vs. boss fight, we suggest that you vote for the one you like the most rather than whether or not one enemy would beat another in a legit fight. This is only a suggestion, though.

You can suggest a fight or vote or comment on others on the suggestions sub-article.

Rules

 * You may vote for your favorite or who you think would win in a competition between the two combatants that week.
 * You may only vote once.
 * If you are a user, please include your vote in the user section. If you are not a user, please include your vote in the anonymous section. However, any votes put in the anonymous sections will only count as a half vote.
 * When a new fight is created (the process should take no longer than a week, give or take a couple of days), the votes from the last fight will be totaled and winner decided.
 * Please sign your vote (unless you want to be counted as an anonymous vote) with a link to your username in front of your eventual voting text.
 * Don't try to rig the votes by entering multiple votes; these pages are regularly patrolled and you WILL face consequences if you are caught.
 * A short notification must be made before changing the fight.
 * Please don't use talk templates.

Week 83: Boy in the Graveyard vs. Ferrus
{| style ="width: 100%;" LLLLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! We are now proud to present to you the 83rd week in the TEMPLE OF COURAGE! All right! And this week, because you asked for it, we bring to you the battle of the two obsessive supporting characters! Let's meet them!
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In the yellow corner, we have a small boy with a stick. Hailing from Kakariko Village, he imitates his hero Dampe, dreams of becoming more terrifying, and is destined to disappear in the near future; Give it up for the BOY IN THE GRAAAAAAAAAAAAVEYARD!

And in the blue corner, we have a young train connoisseur. Coming from the Wellspring Station, he is a master photographer, looks up to Alfonzo, and mooches off the former Hero of Winds: Give your support for FERRRRRRRRRRRRRRUS!

So, two young boys, both of whom have a strange obsession, shall face off tonight. But which one shall emerge the ultimate fanatic? That, my dear voters, is up to you! You all must be antsy to get voting, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!
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Anonymous votes

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Peanut Gallery

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Week 82: Boomerang Dealer vs. Secret Moblin
{| style ="width: 100%;" LLLLLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! This week's fight is a SECRET TO EVERYBODY. And you know what I mean when I say EVERYBODY. It's a ferocious duel between two well-hidden characters who give Link useful items and money. Draw your eyes to the center ring!
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 * colspan="2" style="background: #DDDDDD;"| "Secret Moblin!" Secret Moblin.png 14<21.5
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In the orange corner is a diminutive Goriya who trades certain items with whomever finds his secret hideout at the beach. Holder of the all-powerful Boomerang and a remnant of a deleted type of enemy from Link's Awakening, it's the ever-so-imaginately named BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMERANG DEEEEEEEEEEEEALERRRRR!!!

In the black corner is a legendary and mysterious figure who, despite being of a race that commonly are enemies of Link, gives the hero money in exchange for keeping his hiding place(s) a secret. Nobody knows whether or not there is only one or if there are several different ones, but either way, it's the SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECRET MOOOOOOOOOOOOBLIN!

Feel free (or do it if you want to live) to trade the item in your B-Button at the concession stand! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREADY TO RUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBBBLE!!!
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Votes for Boomerang Dealer

 * 1) Money is cool and good for the inflated ego and all that, but the Boomerang in LA is the most powerful weapon in any game ever. Makes up for the lame prize at the end of the trading quest too.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:20, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) As much as I love the Secret Moblin (or any LoZ character for that matter), I love boomerangs and this is guy gives you the best one by far. --Birdman5589 (talk) 01:59, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) for me it came down to a question of do i prefer money or bommerangs then i realized that u can get money with boomerangs:)Devdude (talk) 06:14, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) i like LA a lot more then LOZ, And the boomerang dealer gives you the best item in the game. That definitly beats some money--Ironknuckle1 15:58, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) I know we should vote based on the character but th=e boomerang in that game surpasses Light Arrows! (and since we can vote based on a fight I can say the Boomerang dealer has the boomerang which he can use to destroy the secret Moblin in one hit) Oni Dark Link 17:00, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) I DEFINATLEY have to go for old Boomy. Rupees are everywhere, but a one-hit kill boomerang is priceless. User:Hidden Link
 * 7) I guess I'll go with this guy, since I kind of have a grudge against all Moblins right now, friendly or not, and I've always liked the Boomerang. Ceiling Master (talk) 19:03, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) He gives the better prize. Evidently, that is as secret to everybody voting for the Secret Moblin, =P. Jedimasterlink (talk) 14:28, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Although the Secret Moblin is a Zelda classic, I'd rather have a boomerang than money. Oddball 464 03:10, January 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) the boomerang is more valuable Ingo the great (talk) 00:14, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) The boomerang is the best item in Link's Awakening. It can one-hit KO the final boss! Can rupees do that? TheUltimateHokage88 (talk)
 * 12) i personally love the boomerang and any one who gives you one is ok in my book.Fooster (talk)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) It's like asking this: would you rather have 100 dollars, or a nuke? I am taking a leaf out of that one guy who says 'nuff said's book, I SHALL NOW USE AN EXTREMELY ANNOYYING CATCH PHRASE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHH! -Still insane at the moment


 * 1) You can kill the final boss with a boomerang in LA. I'd like to see you secret moblin fans do that with rupees.
 * 2) Hmmm, let's see. A slightly maniacal weapons dealer of a secretive fuzzball? Difficult question, it is. - Yoda
 * 3) A boomerang is better than money.


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Votes for Secret Moblin

 * 1) Dude, come on. When I first found one of his hiding places, I thought for sure he was going to kill me and make a screaming chair out of my bones, but the guy just...gave me money instead and insulted the English language. That's even scarier, when you think about it. Also, it's Pippy, the creepiest character in The Legend of Neil. The Boomerang Dealer's Boomerang sure kicks butt, but it's an optional butt-kicking. Well, so is this but WHATEVER I wanna vote for the Secret Moblin. --Auron  Kaizer !  01:08, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) IT'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY. -- Deku  Stick   Master 
 * 3) The Boomerang was a better item but this guy is cooler character overall.-- MaloMart  ( talk ) Malo.png 01:50, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Far more infamous. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 01:51, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) It's an offer you simply can't refuse.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 6) This monster words could not be truer. ComeBackKing
 * 7) Uh? Moblins are just plain awesome. Ray Talk 2 me 14:29, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) This guy is a legend in itself. While the boomerang guy gives you quite a treat, this memetastic moblin took a special place in many a gamer´s heart´s.--The Gerudo Guy (talk) 16:33, January 18, 2010 (UTC) The Gerudo Guy
 * 9) The boomerang dealer is awesome 'n all, butbutbut how can you NOT vote for the Secret Moblin?!--Stars! xxx
 * 10) This guy is a legend. He'll win, and that's no secret to anybody.--DarkTriforce (talk) 17:49, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) Free money and secret Moblins. That's Allstates stand.-- Deku tulla  ZM  20:22, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) Hey free money. But don't tell anyone.  Tabs34
 * 13) Link almost told everyone about the Secret Moblin before he remembered his eternal vow of silence.--RH 03:41, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) Because he has the word "secret" in his name. =P --Yowuza  yadderhouse | meh 16:06, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) That famous line of his is legendary. Why? IT'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY. --Superpowered Mario (talk) 21:01, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) Most moblins are aggressive and/or hostile towards Link, but this one gives you cash and a momentary refuge User:TazAJ 21:53, January 21, 2010
 * 17) it was hard choosing between a guy that gives you money and a guy that gives you a weapon, but i think this guy is better! User:Doubleg2x 16:21, January 22, 2010
 * 18) IT'S A SECRET WHO I WILL VOTE FOR. OR MAYBE NOT. The Midna  ( talk )  Midna Laughing.png 03:07, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) Most people on the other side are voting simply based on the reward from intereacting with the character, not the character himself. The fact of the matter is, the Secret Moblin is not just a classic character, but a cult-classic character with a matching cult-classic tagline. Also, the Boomerang Dealer owes its existence to the Secret Moblin, as both are creatures that are common enemies of Hyrule, and yet here are a couple of individuals that defy that common enmity to help Link out - but the Secret Moblin is the original. The Boomerang Dealer is essentially a reference to that cult-classic original. --WarlockPuncher
 * 20) Heh. Powerful weapon or money. I choose money.--  C  2  / C C  18:11, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) It is a classic character. It also gives you money (which is very valuable considering the original's 250-or-so limit). IT'S A SECRET TO EVERYBODY.
 * 2) I love money. 'Nuff said. :)
 * 3) Money's so hard to get in this game, and Moblins are awesome.
 * 4) *sigh* must I vote for the winning one AND the one from the classic game at the same time? whatever. I must really like  mistranslations. -the user without a username(note: I'm still anonymous)
 * 5) THIS VOTE IS A SECRET TO EVERYBODY.
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Peanut Gallery
I just noticed that I haven't voted for the winning side for 7 weeks straight now. And it looks like this will be the 8th week. I find that both extremely amusing and slightly irritating at the same time.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:56, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Meh, for people who really like the TOC, it shouldn't matter who wins as long as one votes for the one that you want. Or, y'know, whatnot. --Auron  Kaizer !  02:00, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is why it only slightly irritates me. And it only does that because of some obsessive complusive competitive instinct I have, not because I actually care about "winning" or "losing" or anything.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:05, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * We had a tie with Deku Baba vs. Bow wow so at least you didnt vote for the loser seven weeks straight. Oni Dark Link 17:02, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * And you all thought that'd be one-sided.--RH 03:44, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Couldn't you technically buy a Boomerang with the money? I don't know if y'all know this, but money can be exchanged for goods and services. --Auron  Kaizer !  00:24, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, realistically you should, but you can't buy the one exclusive to LA with money.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:27, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * You could hire a hacker to hack the money into the game. --Auron  Kaizer !  00:29, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * AK, did you really think you could slip a Simpsons reference past me?-- MaloMart ( talk ) Malo.png 00:38, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're a tricky one, Mr. Grinch. --Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  05:47, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe, well he slipped it past me. Of course, that may be because I am not watching, have not watced, and probably never will watch that.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  09:32, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe you're better off, considering the sorry state the show has been in for about 10 years now. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  19:34, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * A very sirry state it has become <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 20:41, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Whoever wrote you can kill the last boss with a boomerang in LA in the original you shot arrows with rupees and you kill ganon with the silver arrow sooooo       Tabs34
 * Touché, I...guess? O.o --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  04:32, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

I know the ToC has it's own "thing" were it's presented like a wrasl'en(they call it that because it's not real wreslting) match, but I'm beginning to grow tired of how WEEEEE EXXXXTTTTEEENNNNDDD TTTHHHEEEEEE WOOOOORDDDDDSSS OUUUUTTTT. It just bothers me a bit. Not like it matters all that much though.-- C  2  / C C  18:16, January 24, 2010 (UTC)


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Week 81: Mothula (The Wind Waker) vs. Stagnox
{| style ="width: 100%;" 14<23 LLLLLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! After a delay that by Temple of Courage standards is the equal of Chinese Democracy, we bring you the 81st week of the TEMPLE. OF. COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOURAAAAAAAAAAGE! This week we have two dangerous giant bugs primed and ready for combat, the delay only increasing their ferocious bloodlust! Draw your eyes to the center ring, if you please!
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In the purple corner, we have a winged insect who guards the Forbidden Woods. Its spawn are small pests that slow one down. THIS. IS. MOOOOOOOOOTHULAAAAAAA!

In the light brown corner is a newcomer to The Legend of Zelda &mdash; being an oversized stag beetle who guards the Forest Temple. THIS. IS. STAAAAAAAAAAGNOX!

And now, before we all are consumed by flying miniatures of this week's fighters...LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Votes for Mothula

 * 1) Mothula is technically my least favorite miniboss from TWW, but I just found Stagnox boring...not to mention she has no thorax that I can see. And yes, Stagnox is female because she releases larvae from her abdomen. Speaking of which, she should be laying eggs, but that's a flaw Mothula has too, so I'll let that one slide.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  18:38, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) I don't know why, but I found that Mothula is better because bug... things it shoots out. It's like one gives you its weakness, Stagnox, while the other tries to be an annoying miniboss. Mothula just was a better miniboss, then Stagnox was as a boss! - McGillivray227 '''(talk)
 * 3) Fighting Mothula was always more fun, and much more fast-paced. I got bored of Stagnox like I got bored of the train after I fought him four times in Take 'Em All On.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 4) Stagnox was the most pathetic boss every. She would have been better as a mini-boss. Mothula on the other hand is at least puts up a fight. --Birdman5589 (talk) 23:58, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) The mothulas were just my favorite Wind Waker enemies. I'd use more of my twisted humor, but I don't feel like it.--RH 02:18, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) I thought Mothula was fun to fight. I don't have any Stagnox experience, but...I don't know. Nothing seems appealing about it. Besides, it's fun to set Mothulas on fire with the Fire Arrow... Jedimasterlink (talk) 03:14, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) im only on this side because i loved the black spike ball things they were amusing to watch link walk around with like 20 on him then use a spin attack cuz they all flew off in different directions and explodedDevdude (talk) 05:34, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) Pshhhh. Stagnox isn't so great. I like the old school minibosses.Draconicus (talk) 23:22, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) This monster is what you get when you cross a moth with a jet engine. I finally have a blueprint to work from!-- Lapis of  the Night  06:32, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) Mothula rules. Which reminds me, why are people getting so riled up about this? It doesn't even matter. This thing was made to have fun. If you're not having fun, then leave. BTW, did I mention, Mothula Rules? -- Deku tulla  ZM  21:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Mothulamothulamothulamothula
 * 2) Mothula is an awsome creature. this was one of the most annoying creatures in the game. the fly just out of reach and consistently charge down to ram its foes. it also hampers its foes with little spiked balls the weigh you down. the only pathetic detail is when you chop off its wings, its a reletively easy creature (which after a lot of frustration, you may consider it a reward to mercelesly kill that monster that was bugging you before).
 * 3) Honestly, Stagnox wasn't really that difficult a boss. Mothula isn't a boss, but Stagnox, in my opinion, waas a bit too easy to kill.
 * 4) Mothula is just better
 * 5) Killing Stagnox for the 8th time in Take 'Em All On made me more than bored by him. At least Mothulas can be annoying.
 * 6) Mothula rocks. 'Nuff said.
 * 7) Stag beatles are lame/ while moths look scary
 * 8) Mothula has a cooler roar, its smaller and faster than stagnox, you have to actually WORK to kill mothula, it can impare your movements with those spiney things at the same time being faster than stagnox so double win :), and finally mothula just looks cooler than stagnox... boomerang!


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Votes for Stagnox

 * 1) Stagnox's boss battle is the epitome of all that is awesome in the DS Zeldas. instawin. ShadowDialga (talk) 23:53, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Mothula is cool. Okay, he IS cool. But Stagnox- STAGNOX. I mean, you can just hear the "I'm awesome and I'm out to get you" in his name. If it ends in an X, it's awesome. Stagnox is so tough it takes SPIKED BOMB BUG THINGS to kill him. Yeah. -Minish Link
 * 3) Mothula is, like, a lame pun on Dracula or something. Stagnox is so awesome he has become a saying on the shoutbox. Enough said. Let's just end the ToC right now. Good? Good. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  14:15, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) The fact that Mothula can be felled in one hit and the fact that Stagnox is pure epicness its no wonder my vote goes this way. Stagnox has to be one of the best first bosses in the game. (although Aquamantis is pretty epic too) <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark  <font color="#007A00">Link 14:33, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) I would almost vote for Mothula, but you do anything and Mothula shoots those pine cone things at you. Stagnox has class, he ALMOST hits you with those...oh my THEY ARE WHAT? ComeBackKing
 * 6) Stag Beetles pwn Moths anyday. Giant Stag Beetles still epically pwn Giant Moths. Just look at him. HE'S A GIANT STAG BEETLE. Whats not to like? - Stars xxx
 * 7) I HATE moths, and Stagnox´s battle is WAY more epic and fun. Although, Mothula is OK, but Stagnox takes the price in here. --The Gerudo Guy (talk) 19:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC) The Gerudo Guy
 * 8) Mothra and Dracula? I don't think so. Stagnox is a boss and Mothula is a mini-boss with pathetic children without wings. Stagnox takes the win for being a fresh approach to old tactics. User:HeroofAwesome
 * 9) Stag Beetles > Moths. BTW, those "Spiked bomb bug things" are called Blastworms. -- DekuStick  Master
 * 10) Stagnox was cool. Very intimidating. Awesome music, too. In fact, I've beaten him several times, thanks to Take 'Em All On. I've never played Wind Waker, anyway. (But I want to!) Ceiling Master (talk) 20:58, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) Don' t have anything against Mothula, but Stagnox is way cooler. I mean, where else can you find a giantic insect so awesome that it makes Blastworms come out of nowhere? --Pkmns (talk) 20:59, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) I haven't played WW but Stagnox really made me realize that Spirit was gonna be awesome.--DarkTriforce (talk) 00:31, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) Stagnox was a great first boss to a awesome new game, and mothula was just a regular enemy used as a mid boss,so my vote is for stagnox!--Doubleg2x 20:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) I like this boss in Spirit tracks much better Wind wake. Tabs34
 * 15) He is a fun boss battle, I hate battling Mothula...  Ray Talk 2 me 21:07, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) Stagnox requires the use of the Whirlwind, which was the first truly innovative use of the DS microphone for the LoZ series.  Mothula, on the other hand, moved slightly too fast for you to hit well, and you didn't get the Boomerang, which happens to be the most effective item against it, until after you beat him the first time.  Stagnox FTW!--primalGanon 21:50, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) Stagnox is a stag beetle while mothula is just a moth. *#*#*#enso8#*#*#* (talk) 16:58, January 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) Stanox is a boss, Mothula is a mini boss........Enough said BetweenBlack&White
 * 19) Mothula is okay but all it takes to kill it is one fire arrow! Just one! Also Stagnox can be a little hard for first time Zelda players. Linkmanperson
 * 20) Stagnox. Just TRY and tell me he is even CLOSE to as annoying as (shudders) Mothula. STAGGY ALL THE WAY! Hidden Link

Anonymous votes

 * 1) What do you think will win? A giant stag beetle or a pathetic moth?
 * 2) Stagnox is a boss.
 * 3) Think about it, A collassal Beetle with armour that can fly or a moth that lays eggs /babiz and fly!!!
 * 4) Being annonomous voter number three from last fight, even though i am insane, i must still fight for the boss, not an annoying miniboss.-Meep Meep
 * 5) I just think stagnox is way cooler.-Phantom Zelda
 * 6) Stagnox is just a lot better to fight. Plus, Stagnox. It just sounds REALLY cool and awesome. - Phantom Momo


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Peanut Gallery
Isn't Stagnox a Boss?
 * You has a good point. Under pressure, I get stuff like that wrong a lot of the time. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  14:38, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I get stuff wrong without pressure <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 16:40, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

This is why I hate bug fights. We can tell Mothula and Stagnox are both female because they release larvae from their abdomens. It's obvious, I would think. Yet people still insist on using male pronouns.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  18:38, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

They could be marsupeals and keep their young in hidden pouches. <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 19:19, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Possible, but realistically unlikely given that their real-life counterparts do nothing of the sort. Nintendo probably isn't smart enough to do stuff like that anyway. Besides, if you're going to assume a gender when using gender specific pronouns, it's better to use the one that is 70% more likely, in this case that the two are female.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:24, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Id say Mothula would be female but Stagnox just looks very like an angry male. Look at those eyes. And as you said they should be laying eggs anyway so it doesnt make much sense all round. <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 19:26, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you serious? You're basing the gender of a BEETLE on the assumptions of how can find the gender of a HUMAN? That is beyond absurd. And as I said (and gave reasons for), it makes far more sense than them being male.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:29, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no way we can really know for sure <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 19:32, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, they never explicitly tell us Armogohma's gender. Maybe it's really a male that lays eggs even though that makes no sense but you know it's possible because Hyrule doesn't follow the same rules as the real world. That's the kind of logic you're using here.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:36, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes thats the exact logic im using <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 19:38, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:40, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's weird. That's exactly my what my answer would be. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  20:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seahorse males are the ones that give birth. It could be something like that, or maybe the bugs are asexual. Or maybe it's a freaking video game.-- MaloMart ( talk ) Malo.png 23:09, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said. Certainly possible but unlikely given the situation.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:03, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

The Gohma from OoT is called Queenie by the deku scrubs and she does have larva come out into battle if you take to long to beat her (I think), so the laws of nature (at least in our world) are in effect in that case at least.Zoma89
 * But in general natural laws dont make sense. I mean look at how different each gohma incarnation is. They range from being the boss of a tree to being the boss of a volcano. Having six legs or having sixty. <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 21:45, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Uhhhhhh.....what exactly is your point? If anything, you're noting evolution occurring with Gohmas, which is a natural law (or at least for the people that aren't creationists).  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:03, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your both at fault here. Even comparing natural laws to something like Zelda is just......ehh? Xykeb is right from a real-world stand point, and Oni is right from a in-game standpoint. Thusly, your both wrong and stuck in an impass.-- C  2  / C C  00:43, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats actually false. You can be a creationist and believe in evolution. Your thinking of the Old Testament vs. modern science. And on that note this is the worst ToC we have ever had in my opinion and I will not be voting. How it even went through is beyond me, seeing as it was removed the other day. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 00:44, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever, then evolution is a natural law in all respects. And CC....nah, I'm not even going to say it. I give up. Believe what you want. I'm done. And while I don't particularly care for the fight, I wouldn't say it's the worst one we've ever had. Of course, what I consider the worst one we've ever had is considered one of the best by some people, so I guess that's kind of a moot point.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:52, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Did it deal with a game vs. dungeon? --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 00:56, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's exactly it.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:02, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's was the voting in the suggestions that got us here. We need to lighten up, and treat the suggestions as suggestions, not as a main event. It kinda detracts from the ToC with me. -- C  2  / C C  01:05, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

I hate this fight. Its an obvious mismatch. It would have been better if it was Mothula from LttP, which I as I recall was a hard fight. What do other people think about that? ComeBackKing
 * Well, obviously people liked it enough for it to go through, but personally I don't care for it either, and apparently Joe thinks it's the worst fight we've ever had. As for the ALttP Mothula, that would have even less similarities than this one and so I think it would be worse, to be honest. The thing for me is that Mothula and Stagnox in general just don't seem that similar to me. I mean, they have similarities, but none of them are obvious and you almost have to root around for them.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:04, January 14, 2010 (UTC)


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Week 80: Carpet Merchant vs. Gwonam
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In the brown corner is a bearded gentleman who floats around in a desert, tricking unsuspecting adventurers into paying a whole lot of money for what they believe to be the Lost Sword of D'olgo'th'th'th'th'th'th'th'th, but in truth are only completely optional remote controlled bombs. THIS. IS. THE CAAAAAAAAAAAAARPET MERCHANT!

In the pinkred-ish corner is a great fortune-teller(?) who dabbles in prophecy. Most Zelda fans deny his very existence; however, his random utterings have become the stuff of Internet memes. THIS. IS. GWOOOOOOOOOOONAM!

And now, to once and forever settle the dispute of who is the more hated character who flies a carpet to work, it is time. Say it with me now...SQUADALA, WWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'RE OFFFFFFFFF!!!
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Votes for Carpet Merchant

 * 1) I prefer weirdos that sit on a flying carpet in the middle of a sandstorm. Oh, an I also prefer real video games. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 00:37, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Merchants are better than people that speak random. Also, he looks like the greatest hippie of all hippies! - McGillivray227 '''(talk)
 * 3) As much as I hate this hippie, there is something disturbing about an old man in a purple bath robe and pink shower cap. --Birdman5589 (talk) 01:52, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) i absolutely hate what the philips cdi games have done to youtube plus this guy lets you practice sword stuff in MMDevdude (talk) 02:43, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) He's an actual Zelda Character. I do not tolerate cd-i.--RH 17:55, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) he can a bombuchu to blow the other guy up ! --Yorick141 (talk) 19:07, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) I remember when MM came out and and everyone was talking about hidden cheats in the game, everyone wanted to get the sword on the wall in his place. Needless to say it didn't work but its a fond Zelda memory. And oh yeah, is that his hair or his mustache? ComeBackKing
 * 8) I vote just cuz of the hair, I mean LOOK AT IT!  --Hydropanda
 * 9) Don't know the other guy is but i think the carpet Merchants cooler anyway. Zoma89
 * 10) I don't particularly like the Carpet Merchant, but at least he's from a real Zelda game. Ceiling Master (talk) 00:45, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) He has a funny looking afro...Zebras are Mean  Ray Talk 2 me 22:22, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) I Have never even heard of the other guy, but the carpet Merchant is the man. Tj hoffman (talk) 06:57, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) "I am selling stuff, strange and rare, from all over the world to everybody" <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark  <font color="#007A00">Link 20:53, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) I never knew this guy existed until years after my first playthrough!!!!! --Egos There (talk) 22:34, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) I agree with anon number three. Solar flute (talk) 03:42, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) Gwonam is not Canonical and therefore does not exist. LONG LIVE THE CANON!!! User:HeroofAwesome
 * 17) I think only appearing in one of the worst games ever should automatically disqualify Gwoman.Jrg4444 (talk)
 * 18) I agree with Jrg4444.Anything remotely CD-i related is not Zelda canon,in my eyes.--Farore.din.nayru (talk) 00:29, January 10, 2010 (UTC)farore.din.nayru (talk)
 * 19) I agree with the two above comments. User:TheUltimateHokage88 (talk)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) I like his 70's look!
 * 2) You wish you were as smart as him when you were selling stuff.
 * 3) Squadala!  Were off!  It is said only LINK can defeat ganon!  Ganon has seized the isle of koridai!  After a couple minutes of that on youtube I completely lost it.  Besides, the carpet merchant has....... A BIGGER FRICKEN CARPET!  GWONAM AND HIS CDI GAME ARE PURE EVIL!!!!!!! As you can clearly see I am still insane.
 * 4) I always liked his business management skills. You know. The ones you never had. And the fact that he's from one of the best games of all time makes him the obvious winner.
 * 5) I HATE this guy. But at least he's canon.
 * 6) I detest the CD-i series. Plus, MM is my favourite game. So I guess I'll vote for this guy.
 * 7) Bombs=win.
 * 8) I refuse to vote for any, I said ANY CHARACTER FROM THE CD-I's!!
 * 9) This guy was amazing. I never did find out if all his hair grew that way, or if his mustache grew that way. But the fact that he is in a REAL Zelda game makes him an epic winner!
 * 10) Not many people can scam Link that way. His hair/mustache/whatever is cool, also.
 * 11) He was the best con artist ever. I also hated the CDi version with an intense passion.
 * 12) I have to give the Carpet Merchant my vote. He's got wicked hair and even better business skills.


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Votes for Gwonam

 * 1) It is written; only Dinner can defeat The Pit. And I hate that merchant so much; more than I do the record industry for actually charging people money for music made by Muse! Toilet paper should be free, or at the very least cheap. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  00:31, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Nothing, except perhaps King Harkinian, CATS, Error, and Miley Cyrus, can achieve the infamy that Gwonam inspires. He is one of the central pain inflicters of terrible video game lore. And what does the Carpet Merchant do? He overprices some stuff. No comparison really.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  00:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) It is written, only your sword and The Map are enough to find my house! YOU and your minions have seized the birds! Ah, Gwonam, we've had such fun together.-- MaloMart  ( talk ) Malo.png 01:03, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Old Man Afro there just over charges some Bombchu's, Gwonam take's you through an entire crappy game. Nuff said.--  C  2  / C C  01:08, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Gwonam inspires a debate within myself: exactly what is the nature of non-existence? Gwonam has achieved infamy despite the fact that his only real role is in a game that doesn't exist. SQUADALA Jedimasterlink (talk) 01:34, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) SQUADALA! And the Carpet guy scams you so badly its not even funny. plus, his hair is so big that i'm surprised he doesn't fall off the carpet. User:DekuStickMaster
 * 7) He says one of my favorite lines ever: "See how Harlequin captures Koridians?"  Portal-  Kombat
 * 8) Heh, I had soooooooooooo much fun watching the mindless YouTube poops. So stupid, yet somehow so hilarious. SQUADALA FTW, baby! —<font color=#00009C>Lisa  <font color=#A76BCF>URAQT  Tetra.png 03:16, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) This guy is obviously a beast. I mean come on? Squadala? Best line ever. User talk:Hello Doggy
 * 10) SQUADALA! *#*#*#enso8#*#*#* (talk)
 * 11) i've seen this guy enouph times in youtube poops to know thet he's better then a afro dude who sells u over priced bombachus. oh ya, and Squadala is epic. User talk:Doubleg2x
 * 12) THIS IS SCAMMER! TO THE LEFT! annoying is better than being cheated.-Toasty9001
 * 13) Really I wasn't sure who either of them are since i haven't played this game and haven't played OoT in 5 years. Now I remeber who the carpet merchant is and how he scammed me grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Plus this guy has a catchphrase I'm voting for him. Tabs34
 * 14) Only because I don't vote for con-men. <font color="SteelBlue">Yowuza  yadderhouse | meh 17:15, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) It is written that only toasters can defeat the birds! Besides, his quote "Here is a map: where do you wish to go?" backwards answers what Harkinian has for dinner: "What shall we eat now? Ham? Zee nice!" YouTube is awesome. Oh yeah, SQUADALA! --Majora4Prez (talk) 02:55, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) It is written, only BOMBS can defeat MAH BOI! Gwonam is Beast! and of course, you know what I have to end my comment with... SQUADALA!!!!!!!! Hylianhero777 (talk) 15:27, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) [Your majesty,][Bowser][and his][Koopalings][have seized][all the][foods][in the world.][It is written: Only][Dr. Rabbit] [can defeat][Bowser] Oddball 464 20:48, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) Wow! The CD-i games are so very overlooked just because of their crappy controls, but I enjoyed the characters and their wacky ways :) Gwonam's got my vote!Draconicus (talk) 03:54, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) If this is a contest of who is hated more, I'm definitely voting for Gwonam. I never even met the carpet merchant, and his Termina counterpart is pretty cool. I'll admit it, I have actually laughed at Gwonam quite a few times in his Youtube Poop appearances. After all of those stupid lines of his...in the words of LittleKuriboh, aka CardgamesFTW, "Just do it already, you offensive stereotype!" The non-canon guy gets my vote. Sir Real
 * 20) Squadala! We're off!--DarkTriforce (talk) 23:54, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) Can the Carpet Merchant claim to have his own Uncyclopedia mention, or YouTube video? I don't think so. And seriously, BombChus? Outside of PH, do those things even mater? Sincerely, Watcher.

Anonymous votes

 * 1) SQUADALA! 'nuff said
 * 2) come on, Gwoman v.s a ugly guy, gwman should win .the only thing i got to say is SQUADALA!
 * 3) Gwonam may be strange and annoying, but at least he doesn't cheat people out of their hard-earned rupees.
 * 4) S-Q-U-A-D-A-L-A.
 * 5) Squdala indeed!


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Peanut Gallery
@XYZ: I think Old Man would be included in that listing <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 00:53, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I CAN"T TAKE IT ANYMORE! Once they get into my head I have to say them! Curse you for bringing this out, Gwonam! TOAST SPAGHETTI DINNER MAH BOI YOU MUST DIE ENCLOSED INSTRUCTION BOOK BOMBS MMMMM THIS IS ILLEGAL YOU KNOW THAT'S MAMA LUIGI TO YOU! Phew! It's all out now.-- MaloMart ( talk )  03:50, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * BOOUIGI! --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  03:53, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I wonder how ashamed we'll all feel if/when a CD-i character wins the Temple of Courage.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  07:04, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * You voted for it. --EveryDayJoe45 (talk) 15:47, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * If he does, well whatever happens to ZP, I still have my wiki to fall back on--RH 17:59, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Careful now; it's so full of holes it might just collapse if you fall. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  19:07, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

This is the one thing I hate about MM using the same character models as OoT. At least one person always think we're talking about the character from the game we're not talking about about.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  23:24, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * The MM models have slightly more vertices most of the time though, thanks to the Expansion Pak...not that anyone but really OCD graphic freaks could tell the difference. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  23:26, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

@PK: Those smaller lines are often overlooked as the comedic gems that they are. Personally, my favorite Gwonam line (besides the obvious) is "At last, you have the vision to find my house!"-- MaloMart ( talk )  01:16, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

"...only completely optional remote controlled bombs." Actually, they're needed in the Spirit Temple, so they aren't completely optional. You just don't have to buy them. Whirligig (talk) 02:22, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can just throw a normal bomb at that rock. If you time it so the Bomb explodes when it's at the apex of its trajectory, you will hit the rock. Though I didn't try that until my third playthrough of the game... Jedimasterlink (talk) 04:17, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a room in Ganon's Castle (either the Spirit or Light section) that requires Bombchus.-- MaloMart ( talk ) Malo.png 05:12, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Those who hate on carpet merchant for his scam, at least the bombchus work, unlike the friggin' Giant's knife. Also, he's in a desert where he is the only one who sells them for miles, so of course he has the business sense to take advantage of the monopoly. People are gredy, get used to it.--RH 04:31, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Giant's Knife DOES work, in the same sense that an Xbox 360 works until it breaks down within a couple of months. --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  04:34, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Days <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 12:07, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Has anyone actually played the CD-i games? They have very interesting characters, albeit a VERY crappy control scheme. Gwonam was just a classic character among them :)
 * Also, that comment above is win.Draconicus (talk) 04:41, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, if you think beating classic Zelda characters into lame stereotypes and introducing characters that make no sense is interesting.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:22, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Awww, come on, Xykeb! That's what makes it so awesome :PDraconicus (talk) 20:54, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are people compairing games that the characters are in? seems kind of unfair if u ask me.  Double   G   2x  16:34, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unfortunetly we cant control the way people think (but one day I will!) <font color="66FFFF">Oni <font color="#7F007F">Dark <font color="#007A00">Link 22:24, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should start with yourself? :P --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  01:03, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * No one can control the way people think except for Big Brother and the Pope.-- MaloMart ( talk ) Malo.png 01:18, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * And anyone who can perform a Jedi Mind Trick. Jedimasterlink (talk) 04:15, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they aren't remote controlled. Solar flute (talk) 03:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Being controlled from a remote location counts. Then, what do you suggest controls it? Link's mind? --<font color="#3ba0c5">Auron  Kaizer <font color="#3ba0c5">!  03:43, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure they're self-propelled. Jedimasterlink (talk) 03:54, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Well, well. Now that we've reached Sunday, I guess I'd better change it. Surprising that Gwonam didn't win, though. Sincerely, Watcher.

I have no regrets. On what, I don't know.--RH 16:14, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


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