Talk:Kaepora Gaebora

They are the same.
I relize that there is a line when young link is near the spirit temple that he says that goes agianist this but there are Gossip Stones that say they are the same both are in the same game. Cloakblade 02:07, 19 July 2007 (PDT)

Edit
Merged Kaepola Gaebola article with this one, because I couldn't find a source for the name. The "L" and "R" in Japanese are the same letter, making it seem to me they just have the same name and that the name "Kaepola Gaebola" is a mistranslation (if it actually exists that is). Also removed the note that he is a Sage, because it's not confirmed he is Rauru's Hyrulean manifestation and because he is said to be the reincarnation of a Sage, but not a Sage himself. IfIHaveTo 06:26, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * Well I'm not sure if you played Majora's Mask but he was officially called IfIHaveTo, it may have been a mistranslation but he's been known as that for seven years.--Green 16:40, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * MM text dump, *I* can't find the name. And I don't remember it from my playthroughs (yes, I played MM, but I admit it has been awhile since the last time). I can't find the name in the manual and for what it's worth, I can't find it on Zelda.com. So, what is the source of his name? In my experience, there are a lot of terms and names that either don't have an "official" source or have a questionable source, but are still generally considered the official names. I encountered [Talk:Book of Secrets|something like this] earlier today even.IfIHaveTo 16:52, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * Hmm, I looked through another text dump and I could never find it either. I too haven't played it in a while so I guess we'll just leave it as it is unless someone with proof can confirm it is Kaepola Gaebola.--Green 23:40, 29 December 2007 (EST)


 * I'm pretty sure IfIHaveTo is right. A google search for "Kaepola Gaebola" generates 24 results (11 of which are, or were, from here and ZU!) Compare that to 9,250 for Kaepora Gaebora, and I'd say that nicely reinforces the evidence above. (P.S zelda.com's entry for Kaepora Gaebora states that he appeared in both OoT and MM, as well as LA and FSA.) --Adam 04:45, 30 December 2007 (EST)

Questions.
The page says: Among the theories revolving around Kaepora Gaebora is the idea that the owl is the reincarnation of the Sage of Light, Rauru. This can't be right. Rauru is still alive, and reincarnation implies death. I always disliked that theory. The gossip stone says:"The owl named Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient Sage." Rauru still living couldn't possibly be an ancient sage.

Also, there are speaking owl statues in the Oracle games. I won't say it's for sure Kaepora Gaebora, but seeing that the Twilight Princess statues recieved a mention here. Should it be included as well?


 * I read that it was mistranslated and they meant incarnation and not reincarnation. So I guess the theory is that he is the incarnation of Rauru outside of the sacred realm.

I've read the gossip stones, amdi thought i remembered it saying "incarnation", it makes plenty of sense that Rauru isn't physically alive if he constantly stays in the chamber of the sages. It makes sense to me either way, plus one gossip stone (one quite close to the other one) says "he is rather light hearted"...does that have anything to do with it?--Stalkid 20:07, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Dead?
What? Who said he was dead? "In Ocarina of Time's adult half, Kaepora Gaebora is dead and his grave can be seen in Lake Hylia".

The grave was there to start with. Besides, you can go underneath it, and there's a room full of Deku Scrubs. No sign of the body.

Is this in the Master Quest version? I haven't played that version yet.

This might be on a different version of the game, but to me, right now this sounds like guesswork.

I'll wait for a while, but if I don't get a reply explaining how someone came to this conclusion (just because he isn't SEEN doesn't mean he's dead), then I think I'll be wiping that. --Yuvorias, 16:17 29 April 2008 (EST)

That can't be right...gravestones are just another way to cover grottos...I'm pretty sure there's one in the crater of death mountain as well. If the incarnation theory is correct (and I strongly believe), he isn't dead, he's Rauru.--Stalkid 20:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I remember him sitting on that grave when you were kid Link. I doubt he'd be there dead, considering you see him as Adult Link. Roccie 04:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a rather old discussion to be clearing up, but actually you do see Kaepora Gaebora as an adult. When you visit the Spirit Temple for the first time, Sheik will teach you the Requiem of Spirit. During the cut-scene, you see Kaepora fly by.--Yumil 17:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Male?
I am aware of how absolutely bats i may sound when I say this, but when was it confirmed that he was a male? The gossip stone refers to him as an it, and he never confirms himself to be a male. Perhaps, just perhaps...He may be a she?--Stalkid 09:15, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, in cases like this, we go on their names and how they're treated by others. Kaepora Gaebora is usually treated as a male, so we call him as such :P 03:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I've changed this. You're right, Kaepora Gaebora is not confirmed to be a male. Jeangabin 10:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, guys, It was a bad compulsion. --Stalkid 04:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Also the owl is associated w/ Athena, a female deity. Jeangabin 13:59, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting, though I'd admit that I don't really see any Greek Mythological influence in Zelda. Also, I thought that he may have been a parody of the owl from the story of King Arthur (the sword and the stone). --Stalkid 10:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

In | a new Iwata Asks, Miyamoto refers to Kaepora Gaebora as a "grandfather figure" to Link. Pretty much confirms that he is male. Ganondorfdude11 22:20, 29 June 2011 (EDT)


 * Well, you could say that a man is someone's "mother figure" if they displayed a lot of affection and care for them. Still, it does hint that he may be a male. 04:36, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Sage Reincarnation
Could it be the face of the sage Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation when it twists its head upside down?! Jeangabin 14:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That's a really odd theory, but it's a possibility. I'm guessing that He was simply the sage "Kaepora" (probably a forest sage). Other names of ancient sages, if they were made up, would be something along the lines of the following: Kaepora (Kaepora Gaebora, likely the sage of forest), Kasuto (town in Aol that had no corresponding sage, probably shadow sage due to history of the town of Kasuto), Errol (Error, possibly the water sage as he resided in the town that shares a name of a water sage), and Rauru (sage of light, as we already know, probably looked like Joseph Stalin in his younger years). Anyways, I'm getting a little off-topic, so I'll stop here.--Stalkid 10:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Rauru = KG
So apparently it's been confirmed that Rauru IS KG; however, I don't think we should merge ALL the OoT info to Rauru's page. Instead, I think we should treat this like the Tetra article; we certainly need to mention his KG appearance in Rauru's page, though. :) Dany36 13:06, 5 January 2012 (EST)
 * That's fine then, but because this character is more akin to Ganondorf/Ganon, Link/Bunny Link/Wolf Link, or any other "Hyrule form"/"Sacred Realm form" setup, most of the plot synopsis doesn't make sense unless written concurrently. I've written a combined sumamry of his plot events, with chronological events from Rauru's point of view (although all this means is that the Spirit Temple bit occurs before the Master Sword bit, not after). It should probably be placed on both articles, to show what is actually going on with the character. I've also done basic cleanup to the article, to cleanup a lot of flow issues.KrytenKoro 13:31, 5 January 2012 (EST)
 * I saw your edit on Rauru's page and that's fine, but I think keeping the info that is currently in KG's OoT section is ok too. ;) Thanks for updating the wiki with all of the info being released on Hyrule Historia, by the way. I haven't really looked into that too much. Dany36 13:58, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Merge page with Rauru
Since he is just another form of Rauru we should merge the pages. After all we keep Ganondorf and Ganon on the same page.--LordM (talk) 09:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I would agree with you, but that's only true for his appearance in, unlike Ganon who is confirmed to be another form of Ganondorf in all of his appearances. We have no idea who or what Kaepora Gaebora is in or , as there's no confirmed connection to Rauru, so I think it would be better if we left the pages separate.  15:35, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Kaepora Gaebora on Majora's Mask?
I know that the owl on Majora's Mask looks exactly the same as the one on Ocarina of Time, but just because they look the same doesn't mean they are (e.g., Malon and Romani). Has it ever been actually revealed that the Majora's Mask owl is in fact Kaepora Gaebora? Thanks! —The Sackinator (talk) 21:35, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it's supposed to be the same owl. I doubt Rauru, the most important of the sages (aside from Zelda), would have a counterpart. Too important. It has to be the same owl. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 21:44, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that is a good point, but the MM owl doesn't even seem to recognize you—unless maybe it's that going back in time on Ocarina of Time put Link before the first time he met Kaepora Gaebora. —The Sackinator (talk) 00:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No, Link went back to shortly after he arrived in Castle Town for the first time. Basically, Link and Kaepora had only met once. And perhaps Kaepora either assumes this Link is Termina's counterpart, or is testing Link in some way. Kaepora DOES recognize you as being a Kokiri, so maybe he's testing Link in some way. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 01:02, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The owl seemingly doesn't have a name in-game. It is not specified whether it is the same owl or not. The only reason they share an article is because both owls use the same in-game model and share the same role to the player, with in my opinion, is better than splitting their pages which would be rather pointless. 01:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * What if I reworded the sentences in the article that state that the owl is Kaepora Gaebora, while leaving this MM owl in the article? —The Sackinator (talk) 02:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Or, we could explain somewhere that for convenience's sake, Zelda Wiki assumes it to be Kaepora Gaebora, similar to what we do with Sheik's gender. —The Sackinator (talk) 02:09, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm fairly skeptical of the idea that he doesn't have a name, even within guides. However, even in the absence of those, all we need to do is mention that he goes unnamed in MM. No need for a winded paragraph explaining ourselves. 05:43, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * What if we placed a note that said, "Despite the name of the owl on Majora's Mask being unreferenced, Zelda Wiki assumes the owl to be Kaepora Gaebora"? —The Sackinator (talk) 15:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The owl is called Kaepora Gaebora in the Nintendo Power guide, so I just added it as a citation. 19:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoa! So there is a reference to the MM owl being Kaepora. Good job for finding that! Of course, the Nintendo Power guide could have just mistaken the owl for Kaepora, since the owl not recognizing you, the name "Kaepora Gaebora" not ever being used in game, etc. makes be doubt that it's actually the same owl. However, I could be wrong, and that reference holds more weight than I do, so, case closed! The Sackinator (talk) 23:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Obviously having an actual statement from the game or manual would be preferred, but if nothing else, then published game guides are a close second. 02:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Plus, Nintendo Power Player's Guides are 100% canon, so that's definitive proof. No doubt about it, the owl is Kaepora Gaebora. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 02:55, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

The NP guides used to be made by Nintendo themselves. The OoT one was even made along with Miyamoto himself, so I doubt it was an error. I wouldn't say they are 100% canon either, but when the game or the manual fail to give any information, the closest thing we can get to an official statement are the NP guides (or the Prima guides nowadays). 04:08, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Care to prove that, Darth? I want to point out that, in the MM OST, Kaepora Gaebora's theme is labeled "Fukurowa" so what would one make of that? - Mugen Kagemaru 11:26, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The english version of the soundtrack simply calls it "owl". 18:36, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Fukurou 梟 literally translates to owl. Not sure on the reason for the spelling difference, but it may just be a different anglicization of the Japanese word.
 * Furthermore, there are a couple of mentions to owls and parallels to LoZ:OoT. Kotan-kar-kamuy is the World Creator God, creating the 6 worlds of the gods, the Earth, and the 6 underworlds (I dunno if 6 has any meaning here in terms of the sages or not). Chikap Kamui is a divine being that is said to watch over the lands of the Earth (he, in my mind, the most likely basis for Kaepora Gaebora).Thorison214 (talk) 13:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Appearances section
There was a section for his appearances in Ocarina of Time. Why was it removed? Zeldafan1982 (talk) 18:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Alternate reincarnation theory
I was just wondering why there is no mention of the fact that Kaepora Gaebora (and Rauru as well) could potentially be Gaepora from skyward sword reincarnated? It fits with what the gossips stone in OT says and there is also evidence to back it up, mostly in his appearance but then there's the near identical names and the fact that Gaepora's necklace matches up perfectly with Kaepora's head markings when he turns his head upside down, then there's Gaepora's laugh which is very owl-like and then there's the text from Gaepora's smash bros trophy which draws a connection between the two with the text "That haircut looks really familiar... It's almost owl-like, wouldn't you say?". I'm not saying that it should be put in that that is definitely the case but it definitely seems Nintendo is trying to make a connection between the two and I think that should at least be mentioned in the trivia or something--Avant1990 (talk) 08:39, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


 * We don't accept theories anymore, so unless there's an official source stating that (and not just speculation), it shouldn't be included. Perhaps it's just a reference to the character rather than an actual reincarnation. 16:40, 10 June 2017 (UTC)


 * so not even in trivia that Nintendo has made a connection between the characters? Auru from TP has that for Rauru and the connection between them is far more tenuous than the connection between Gaepora and Kaepora Gaebora/Rauru, though now the Rauru page seems to have the connection to Gaepora on it --Avant1990 (talk) 05:38, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The notion that Nintendo even has made a connection is purely conjectural. The connection between Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora is canonical, a connection that Nintendo actually has made. Until/unless Nintendo actually confirms a connection, we cannot justify the claim that a similar name indicates a connection. TriforceTony (talk) 13:18, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


 * sorry I don't think I communicated clearly at all, I was comparing it to the connection made between Auru and Rauru in the other trivia pages just based on their similar name--Avant1990 (talk) 10:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * That Rauru/Auru connection should not have been there and I just removed them. You can talk about references to the owl on Gaepora's page but it is best to keep this subject off this page and refrain from any speculation or theory. Hylian pi (talk) 07:19, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * cool no worries at all I was just wondering why there were connections that were so tenuous and that one wasn't allowed as it seemed slightly stronger but if those kinds of connections shouldn't have been there in the first place then then I can definitely agree that the Gaepora/Gaebora/Rauru connection shouldn't be made either--Avant1990 (talk) 11:32, 12 July 2017 (UTC)