Zeldapedia:Temple of Courage



Welcome to the Temple of Courage, where various characters from the The Legend of Zelda series battle out on a semi-weekly basis! You, the people, are the deciding factors in these matches. Functionally, all of these battles are popularity contests and not "battles" as such. For instance, in a boss vs. boss fight, we suggest that you vote for the one you like the most rather than whether or not one enemy would beat another in a legit fight. This is only a suggestion, though.

You can suggest a fight or vote or comment on others on the suggestions sub-article.

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Week 37: Orca vs. Rusl
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Undecided" LLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BOYS AND GIRLS, CHILDREN OF ALL AGES! Zeldapedia proudly brings to you the thirty-seventh week of gruesome, gory action...THIS IS THE TEMPLE OF COURAGE! BOOYA! And this week good sirs and madams, 'tis a fight between two gladiators; these two masters of swordplay will slice and dice until nothing is left. So...who will it be?
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First, we have an elderly gentleman and once a proud warrior on the Great Sea...despite his age, he can still enter the fray and exit as the victor whenever the situation presents itself...a true swordsman...ORCAAAAAAAAAAA!

And his opponent, the (other) yellow-haired protector of Ordon Village...he was among the greatest fencers in Hyrule in the era he lived in...and now, he has returned to this no-man's-land between past and present to do battle...this...is...RUSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

Need I say more, people? Those who are about to die are sponsored by Snacky S'mores! LET's FIGHT!
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Votes for Orca

 * 1) Rusl is pretty generic and boring. Orca isn't all tha unique or original either, but there's something about him that makes him stand out. I don't know what it is about him, but I like him anyway.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) According to Fire Emblem, spear beats sword. Unless that sword is a lance reaver...but I don't Rusl has one of those. -- Moblin   Slayer [[Image:Ice Wizzrobe (The Minish Cap).gif]] 00:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Orca is the only person in the Zelda series able to withstand over 1000 sword strikes. Rusl looks like he'd collapse in about two hits. He swings his sword like an idiot when you approach him as Wolf Link. Portal-  Kombat
 * 4) He actually has a shadow of a past. For instance why is a swordsman never seen with anything other than a harpoon?   Metroidhunter32  03:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) This guy just looks mean, I mean c'mon he has no pupils, he's carrying (and can wield) a gigantic spear bigger than he is, the list goes on and on—[[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 12:24, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Orca is much more memorable. And he makes a really cool noise when he attacks you! haha. -SageofWater
 * 7) Orca was the only guy on Outset Island who knew swordplay until he taught Link. He even taught Link the greatest attack ever! The Hurricane Spin! User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 8) I personally think that Orca did much more for Link as far as training, while Rusl only (techincly) gave Link his sword and got him into the Temple of Time. Plus, the Hurricane Spin is really cool. Sincerely, Watcher.
 * 9) Orca is a far better swordsman than Rusl, from what I can tell. Plus, he knows the hurricane spin, and he trained Link. SirReal
 * 10) Orca is just...awesome. Jarmihi
 * 11) didnt like rusl. he was too... i dont know. just didnt like him. enjoyed orca fights though (except the over 1000 one thats insane) Oni Dark Link
 * 12) rusl didn't teach link, but orca did. Solar flute

Anonymous votes

 * 1) My vote goes to Orca.. come on, have you ever seen a guy try to get an item on top of his shelve witch he can't reach? I bet it's to high for Rusl too but he would break his shoulder by hitting the wall... Who put it there anyway? it's his own home..
 * 2) OOORCAAA OOORCAAA OOORCAAA
 * 3) hey guess what...orca pones because a)he can take 1000 hits b4 crying b)polearm beats sword (yeah im geeky, get over it) c)he has more story d)hes like the yoda of zelda (he shouldve fought the guy from MM instead of Rusl)
 * 4) well i can clearly see rusl is an odd person so yea i'm going with orca


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Votes for Rusl

 * 1) Rusl is a cool guy. While he's a coward and doesn't really do anything useful, like, ever, he's still cool. Most useless swordsman ever too...but! At least he isn't a dementia-ridden decrepit old man who utters sick-ass screams whenever someone screws up during training. Creepy! -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 22:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Rusl has a wife and kids and has an actual role on the plot, unlike Orca, who never leaves his house and has no affect on the main plot other than giving Link his sword. Plus, Rusl saves Link at Hyrule Castle. LapisScarab 00:34, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) I prefer Rusl because he's a character that moves; he doesn't stay in just one village or field, he goes everywhere. Orca stays in his house with his butthead, bighead brother. He protects his village when monsters come, instead of that old coot who just says "Monsters come out at night". Mrs.MikauShadLink 20:29, 1 March, 2009
 * 4) I like Rusl because he actually saves Link on his adventure, not like that old fart. Oddball464 17:11, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Rusl hands down, Orca had no personality and Rusl was a better teacher, he taught Link so well HE could teach people. Also he actually does something in the storyDarkest-Link123 03:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) He is the first character to be shown in the game.  He sharpened Link's Wooden Sword, and crafted the Ordon Sword (that Link eventually...  stole).  He's a member of "The Group".  He's pretty darn good with a hawk.  He has a golden Cucco.  That's all some pretty cool stuff right there. Pianist Link  21:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) rusl no fight.(Coolicolo)
 * 8) Rusl was a competent swordsman in a Hyrule where swordsmanship mattered very much. Orca was an old man who barely had memories of swordsmanship because he lived in a time and place where it was no longer common. Rusl's younger age and better agility would likely overpower the older and more limited in knowledge Orca. Orca knew how to use the sword, but he likely only knew fragments of what Rusl knew. Rusl would just be in an overall better position to win this battle I feel. Hero of Time 87 15:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) rusl's a lot cooler than some old dude waving a harpoon around. DarkBeastGanon 15:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) I liked both games a lot and both characters taught us something about the sword. However, Rusl just seems like a better-suited character for the title of best swordsman. Orca was just a little weird. Golden Power 15:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) this guy just has more style than cap'n ahab over on the other side, end of story. LegendofZelda92 15:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) i'm gonna have to go with this guy, cause the other guy was just a little freaky, like those old men that lure little boys into their houses and....well you know. Heroofhyrule 15:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) Took me a while to decide, but rusl actually faces you down bravely and tries to protect his family when he thinks you are a twilight monster. Though he seemed afraid, wouldn't we all have been if a ferocious shadow wolf looked like it was going to eat you? Dialask77 15:34, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) Rusl is pretty cool. He moves from place to place and protects his pregnant wife when he thinks your going to kill her. Orca doesn't do anything! Zeldamaniac95

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Rusl would probably kick Orca's ass 6 ways to Sunday. While they're both skilled swordsman you have to be unique to be both a good guy and a villain at certain points in the story (during the Wolf Link part in Ordon Village, Rusl is somewhat of an antagonist). Stand next to him for 2 seconds and you're dead. Also he can handle a hawk that he used to save Link from getting his head impaled by Bulblin arrows. Even if hypothetically Orca won in a sword duel (which doesn't look like it's going to happen), Rusl would just call that hawk and have it gouge Orca's eyes out. Go Rusl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * 2) Rusl can play hard and won't be liable to age like Orca.
 * 3) Rusl is a REAL swordsman and much better of a character, whereas Orca is some out of shape flat character who doesnt know what hes doing when it comes to swordplay
 * 4) Rusl and Orca were both kind of annoying, but Rusl had some really good moments (that is, saving me the trouble of killing a freakish amount of enemies) but Orca was just annoying. Also, he hit me. A lot. That does not get forgiven.


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Peanut Gallery
What do you mean by "coward that doesn't do anything useful"? LapisScarab 00:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Interesting Fire Emblem analogy, Moblin slayer. Of course, the lance also loses if it's an axereaver, unless the lance is an axereaver and the sword is a lancereaver.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Rusl's Golden Cucco was more heroic and useful than Rusl himself. On a related subject, who else here has hit Orca 1000 times before he hits you three times? That was so tedious, but worth it because he breaks the fourth wall :) Portal-  Kombat

I did it, although it took me a pretty long time. I usually get tired around 450 hits.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:56, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Originally, I was gonna put that even if Rusl had a lance reaver Orca might win against it if he had an Axe reaver, but then that would lead to a long chain of how one could beat the other...-- Moblin  Slayer  19:12, 2 March 2009 (UTC) Moblin Slayer, It is possible in fire emblem to have a lance and beat an axe weilder. That is because if you have a steel sword against an iron axe, what has a slight more power?

Of course, following the recent influx of logical thinking around here, Rusl's strength stat could easily be way beyond Orca's anyway, had the game had RPG stats. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 01:12, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Interesting how we're trying to relate the Legend of Zelda series and the Fire Emblem series when the only significant similarity is that they're both medieval.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm...isn't this when someone tries to convince us that Fire Emblem and Zelda take place in the same universe? And that Marth is Link's great-great-grandfather's second cousin twice removed? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 01:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Which Link?  Metroidhunter32  02:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok ok, enough of the relating zelda to Fire Emblem. I mean sheesh. The only relation is that Lyon is Vaati's gret great grandfather and that they are both medieval! Dialask77 02:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That, and the fact that I used an image of Lyon as one of my characters for a fanfic on ZF...wait, does that relate? -- Moblin  Slayer [[Image:Ice Wizzrobe (The Minish Cap).gif]] 19:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Only if you want it to. Portal-  Kombat

i think i clicked the wrong link. isnt this zeldapedia? o wait its zeldaemblenpedia. next temple of courage fight link v marth Oni Dark Link

I'm cheering for marth personally. Dialask77 15:28, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

would be a fun thing to do. not on zeldapedia of course maybe a poll on the smas wiki. id have to vote link though Oni Dark Link

That was already settled in a Melee Event match. Marth beats Link.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I hate Marth. Roy was so much cooler with his BOMB SWORD in Melee. I'm not a Fire Emblem fan, though. My favorite "obscure" series is MOTHER all the way. Portal- Kombat
 * I wouldn't say it's "obscure". I mean, I hear a lot about Earthbound at least, if not the sequels. Now, games like Uncle Julius and the Anywhere Machine (which is pretty awesome...) I've never even heard mentioned anywhere. Aaaaaanyway, could someone please help us find the topic that disappeared at some point? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 21:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Can't say I'm a fan of Marth either; he's really the generic "honorable prince" character. Nothing interesting about him at all. He's not that impressive in the Super Smash Bros. games, either. Also, I don't feel that Fire Emblem or Mother are obscure at all. Not nearly as popular as the Mario or Zelda series, but really popular in their own rights.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, Fire Emblem and MOTHER aren't nearly as obscure as... whatever AK said. They just tend to be the series' whose characters are usually rediscovered through Smash Bros. I learned about Ness and Lucas through Melee. And on the topic of the fight, I have to say this is pretty balanced so far. However, Rusl is going to win and prove once again that people have some strange urge to vote for characters from Twilight Princess. Portal- Kombat

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/Kaizer13/Objection.gif I must object to that statement: I don't think most people vote for Twilight Princess characters by default. I can't speak on behalf of everyone, but saying that people automatically vote Twilight Princess seems a bit narrow-minded and generalizing to me. It doesn't "prove" anything about anyone. I don't see that many comments comparing one game to another here either...which is a good thing. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 02:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

That could have been a bit smaller AK, but I didn't realize that rusl was from tp...If I had I would have voted for him almost... automatically... *makes beeping robot sounds* Dialask77 02:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh... I didn't say that there was anything WRONG with being an instant Twilight Princess voter. Some people vote for a certain character because they like the game that person was in better. I nearly always vote Wind Waker, it's my favorite game. Portal- Kombat

anonymous voter for orca, it's spelled pwns, not pones. (I spend way too much time on the internet) Solar flute

Um, how is it narrow-minded at all? All Portal-Kombat is saying is that most people vote for Twilight Princess things for some strange reason. That's a straight fact. He's not necessarily saying anybody's saying that people vote for them because they're from Twilight Princess, just that people tend to vote for thing that happen to be from Twilight Princess.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


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Week 36: Igos du Ikana vs. Master Stalfos
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Igos du Ikana" (18 > 4 1/2) LLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! Please direct your attention towards the two rising figures at opposite sides of the arena, and you shall see the begining of a real treat: The beginning of the 36th week of THE TEMPLE OF COURAGE! All right!
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In the red corner, we have a tall, decorated figure. The ruler of Ikana, he wields a sword and shield, haunts the Ancient Castle of Ikana, and is (reluctantly) too tough to die, it's IGOS DU IKANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

In the opposite blue corner, we have a rising Stalfos, who is different from most of his kind. He rules the Stalfos, also wields a sword and shield, persistently pursues Link throughout his home in the Catfish's Maw, and is also too tough to die, it's MASTER STALFOOOOOOOOOOOS!

Two rulers of undead races, two skeleton men who, like Tombstone, are too tough to die, two monsters who have nothing to lose but their unlife! Who will win? I'll leave that up to you, voters! I hate to waffle, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLET'S GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!
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Votes for Igos du Ikana

 * 1) "Believing in your friends and embracing belief by forgiving failure... these feelings have vanished from our hearts." He said something like this, I think, after you defeated him and his two lackeys. I think it was one of the most powerful lines in Majora's Mask (although there's a wide selection of those) and it made him more than just some forced mini-boss.  Portal-  Kombat
 * 2) the dude was a king--Twilitlink 05:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) An insanely powerful swordsman, a King, teaches you the elegy of emptiness, and presides near one of the most amazing places in the Zelda universe?  Igos gets my vote. Dialask77 07:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) He's the king of an undead kingdom. As if that wasn't enough, he has two servants.  I mean, the Master Stalfos doesn't even have one servant! -- Moblin   Slayer [[Image:Ice Wizzrobe (The Minish Cap).gif]] 14:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) He looks cool, he's the ruler of an undead nation, he has two servants, and has some of the most effective lines in the game. (Mailtoad)
 * 6) He's king.  the end.   Metroidhunter32  21:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Igos has two servants, and they were all a pain to fight. Also I like the scene if you put on the Captain's Hat and it confuses Igos. Oddball464 15:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) Loved the fight. Can't get much better than a detachable head. — [[Image:Triforce4.png|15px]] Triforce   14 ( ... ) 00:00, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) This was hard for me. Igos is a pain in the derrier to fight, and Master Stalfos comes up 4 times. I cannot stand repeated fight at all. Plus, Igos has servants and is smart enough to realize you're not the captain. Mrs.MikauShadLink
 * 10) Far more than just a miniboss. Plus, I love the Elegy of Emptiness. And you can't go past a detachable head! - (ryttu3k)
 * 11) its all been said already. igos is a king not an annoying four time mini boss. you fight him once and he acts very kingly about it. plus he has guards and two easter eggs in his fight (i count the guard fight as part of the fight) Oni Dark Link
 * 12) he looks cool!Zeldamaniac95
 * 13) Jarmihi Better fighter, different strategies in 3-D than in 2-D.  Along with the writer of the second anonymous vote, Igos du Ikana will probably obliterate Master Stalfos.
 * 14) Igos is one of the few mini-boss who provides interest. In most mini-boss fights, it's basically kill and move on. Igos on the other hand, provides a bit of background of what happend to his kind.  So he's clearly my vote --Lore master 04:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) Igos Du Ikana is not only a ruler in his own right, but his battle was far more difficult than Master Stalfos. Igos also has greater dexterity and faster reflexes than Master Stalfos, so this is a no-brainer. Hero of Time 87 18:43, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) Ikana Kingdom owns. So does he. I LOVED the Ikana Kingdom part of mm, so here I am. Xicera 01:21, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) I know neither of them, and I haven't fought any of them but this one looks cooler and his page is longer.
 * 2) Our buddy Igos would probably just obliterate Master Stalfos with his flaming throwing head attack.
 * 3) IGOS!IGOS!IGOS!
 * 4) Igos was really fun to fight scince his head can come off and eat you. And his servants dance when you play music with the breman mask. IT WAS SO AWESOME!


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Votes for Master Stalfos

 * 1) This was an extremely tough decision for me, and I think that Igos du Ikana is incredibly awesome, but I have to admit that he's kind of a pain to fight (I still can't figure out how to dodge that attack where he removes his head.....also, he uses his shield way too much). Granted, Igos' Servants, Garo, and pretty much Ikana in itself are all miles ahead of Master Stalfos, but the fight with Igos just kind of put me off a little. Also, this guy is pretty persistent, you have to fight him 4 times.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) What can I say? Master Stalfos and his tricky "rematches"/hide 'n' seek game stumped me for a good two hours back when I first played Link's Awakening. When I fought him, I blinked and managed to kill Igos du Ikana. Besides, I love these fights where ya have to strike the guy and bomb the crap out of him. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 07:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Come on. You all now that Master Stalfos is the best. You have to fight him, like, about 3 times...I think. User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 4) As cool as an undead king is, a skeleton king of Stalfos who does not leave you alone (restraining order anyone?) is much cooler. Sincerely, Watcher.

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Ok iv'e decided to put stalfos in the number one spot on my top ten most powerful enemys list So master stalfos would knock stalfos right off the whole list! Mr.Fairy


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Peanut Gallery
One thing I don't get. In the intro to the fight it says that Igos Du Ikana haunts the Stone Tower Temple. I remember him being a mini-boss in the Ancient Castle of Ikana, not the tower. That was the place you went after you defeated him and got the Elegy of Emptiness. Portal- Kombat
 * Yep, guess Watcher messed up. Meh, we all do, right? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 07:48, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Watcher can't really be blamed- the problem with Majora's Mask is that it's hard to tell the difference between certain places and actual dungeons. For example, would you consider "Bottom of the Well" a dungeon in Majora's Mask? I've also heard the term "mini-dungeon" used to describe places in Ocarina of Time like the Ice Cavern and Gerudo Training Ground. Portal-  Kombat

I would not consider bottom of the well a dungeon in Majora's Mask, as it is in OOT

Bottom of the Well isn't really a mini-dungeon, since it doesn't really have anything that would constitute it as a dungeon other than a prize (the Mirror Shield), such as keys, puzzles, or a boss or mini-boss (I guess you could say that the Big Poe is the boss, but that's kind of a weak argument). You basically just go from one room to the next and fight a couple enemies along the way, but that's pretty much it. On the other hand, I would consider Ice Cavern and Gerudo Training Ground mini-dungeons because they have prizes, keys, puzzles, and overall a mini-dungeon-like feel to them. Additionally, Ice Cavern has a compass, map, and boss (I do consider the White Wolfos the boss, despite it being insanely weak).  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you stupid? The bottom of the Well is in OOT, and you get the lens of truth. where are you people getting this crap from? It is NOT in Majoras Mask, and you dont get the mirror sheild.

Well, the White Wolfos did have that other battle theme for when you fought it, so I guess you could call it a boss/miniboss. Portal- Kombat

Besides the fact that this doesn't really have much to do with Igos vs Master Stalfos... I think that bottom of the well IS a mini-dungeon because it, unlike most overworld places, has traps. It is dark, it is underground it is small...it sounds to me like it constitutes as a mini-dungeon. Big poe is more fearsome than white wolfos and lets not forget that wallmasters never appear anywhere besides dungeons and mini-dungeons. Dialask77 02:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Anyone ever heard of a long day? I was tired, I saw Stone Tower Temple, and assumed that it was where he lived. And we all know what you get if you spell "assume" out... Incidently, we really need to archive Weeks 31 through 34, 'cause this page is getting really long... Sincerely, Watcher
 * Hmm, maybe you should do this kind of stuff when you have more time to immerse yourself in the participants in the future? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 02:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Wha? Sincerely, Watcher.

It is amazing how many people (including me) voted for Igos just because he is king.  Metroidhunter32  21:42, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

The dark, underground, and small points don't really mean anything. I mean, that little grave in the Kakariko Graveyard in Ocarina of Time in which you get a Hylian Shield is all those things, but that definitely isn't a mini-dungeon. Traps don't have to appear only in dungeons. Also, I can think of at least one place that is not a dungeon or mini-dungeon in which Wallmasters appear (I'm sure there are more, but I can think of one off the top of my head): that area beneath Dampe's house where you fight the Big Poe for a bottle. So no, Wallmasters appear in places other than dungeons and mini-dungeons. Whether or not Big Poe is more powerful than White Wolfos does not matter; White Wolfos is a climactic boss fight that you fight in the last room of Ice Cavern, whereas Big Poe is found in a side room and does not even have to be fought in order to complete the Bottom of the Well (it's certainly very convenient to do so, yes, but it's not necessary). While certain minibosses don't have to be fought, such as King Bulblin (the Hyrule Castle fight) and Gohma (Link's Awakening), certainly all bosses should be fought. Also, it doesn't have a very mini-dungeon-like feel to it; instead of steadily progressing through the dungeon solving puzzles in order to go to the next area, you play fetch-the-deku-nut with a Gibdo. Half the time, you'll be leaving the Bottom of the Well in order to get the item you need. It's really more of a collect-a-thon than a mini-dungeon, in my opinion. In addition, why have two mini-dungeons (Bottom of the Well and Ancient Castle of Ikana) back to back?  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * They might've had more mini-dungeons in Majora's Mask to make up for the fact that there were only 4 full dungeons in the game compared to Ocarina of Time's NINE (and at least 3 mini-dungeons as well). It's been a while since I did the Gibdo well maze in Majora's Mask so I'm probably mistaken about this, but I recall that one of the gibdos in my way wanted a Big Poe soul "A ghost... and a big one at that!" but I forget whether or not that path was necessary. Also, the white wolfos, while a necessary mini-boss to reach the Iron Boots, is not the first thing that comes to mind when I think of a "climactic boss fight" although by definition, it is. Maybe they intentionally wanted it to be strange that the mini-boss died in like a hit because they knew the soon-to-come Water Temple would be intense. Portal-  Kombat

Right, but if they were to several mini-dungeons, it would be so much better to spread them out. Also, it is indeed on a necessary path, but you're forgetting that there's another Big Poe in the game, and if you kill that one, it's quite possible to get it to that Gibdo. It's insanely inconvenient (seeing as you have to cram it into the night of the final day), and very few people would actually go out of their ways to do it, but my point is that you don't absolutely have to fight it, as you do with pretty much every boss. When I said climactic, I meant that it was in the last room and the prize appeared when you killed it, not that it was epic or anything like that.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  04:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The way I see it XYZ is that it can't qualify as a dungeon, it can't qualify as the overworld, and  mini-dungeon rolls off the tongue a good bit better than a run-and-fetch-the-deku-sticky-place. As such, unless we should create a new type of section for non-overworld places to fall under which would be mostly for this place in particular, the best thing to call it IS a minidungeon. Dialask77 13:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I guess I can't argue with that, although I still personally don't think that it's a mini-dungeon. Also, now that I think about it, I think that either the Big Poe room led to a cow that you could use to access the milk room, which led to the Mirror Shield, or the cow was in a different place and was needed to get into the milk room, which led to the Big Poe that you could use to access the Big Poe room, which led to the Mirror Shield. Either way, fighting the Big Poe isn't necessary, but it's far less necessary in the former option, since milk is far easier to come by than a Big Poe.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  18:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

the big poe is neseary, at least having one is necessary, fighting that exact one isnt. maybe it should be called a mini minidungeon. Oni Dark Link

Alright, I loaded my completed game and played through the Bottom of the Well. Assuming you take the most optimal path, the way it goes is 5 Magic Beans -> Fish -> Big Poe -> Milk. The Big Poe is off in a side room in the southeast corner (if you look at the map, it's the large square room). I experimented with trying to fight the Big Poe that guards the bottle and it's actually quite easy to defeat it and get it the Gibdo as long as you play the Inverted Song of Time (maybe even if you don't). I can now confirm that, while you must fight a Big Poe, you are not required to fight the Big Poe in the Bottom of the Well. It's also in a very remote corner of the area and isn't even in the climactic position of being the last thing required to get into the Mirror Shield room (that goes to milk), whereas Igos du Ikana, White Wolfos, Dead Hand, etc. are all found right there guarding the prize. Due to this, I don't think that Big Poe counts as a boss, and if it doesn't even have a boss, I don't consider it a mini-dungeon.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  01:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Why the bloody 'ell is the "Votes" section for Master Stalfos blue? We all know how difficult it makes it to see anyone's signature who hasn't altered it. Can we change it?--Bek The Conqueror 03:24, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY Everybody!!!!!!!! Sorry iv'e become crazy since i haven't been on Zealdapedia for a month! By the way, have any of you noticed that the gray corner in the temple of courage is pink? And Xykeb Zraliv, please don't get angry just because I said that.Sinceraly,Mr.Fairy

Hey AK, could you tell me how you the third boss in the origonal zelda game? He's driving me nuts! Another thing, Iv'e heard about the White sowrd but I can't find it! If you can take the time to do that tell me where to go from the start screen.Sinceraly, Mr.Fairy

Hey xyz,could you tell me if its possible to put things on a user's talk page if not a user?Mr.Fairy

I never get "angry". I just sometimes point out that you're wrong; there's a huge difference. And yes, you can put comments on other people's talk pages even if you're not a user. Also, please just ask people things on their talk pages. This is the Temple of Courage, not a place for you to ask people things completely unrelated to anything having to do with the Temple of Courage. This is not your own personal space on Zeldapedia and you really don't have a right to treat it as such.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Err, Mr. Fairy, could you please talk about the fight or something similar in the comment section? This isn't a walkthrough. If you won't stay on the subject, things will happen. Oh yeah, and Zraliv? Saying that you "never get angry" sounds kinda strange to me...I mean, EVERYONE gets angry. Of course, you might mean in discussions and such yeah? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 04:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, forgot to put the second half of that sentence. I meant to say that I never get angry at Mr. Fairy.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

You know, I don't really see much difference between these two. What's the difference between an undead skeleton and an undead skeleton?

You swore not to acknowledge it Watcher, don't talk to Mister Fairy, immitation is the sincerest form of flatery, he hasn't said anything against you yet... AAAAAAAAAUUUUUGH! Sincerely, Watcher

To the anonymous user: clearly you're one of those people that stereotypes all undead skeletons as the same thing. These are far different in terms of battle strategies, appearances, personalities, and plot significance.

To Watcher: Say what? Sorry, I really don't get what you just said.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I was just saying that the last time he came around, he was really anoying, and I don't want to get involved in anything now that he's back. Sincerely, Watcher

I hope next week we get a more challenging fight.whos with me?Mr.Fairy

TO MR. FAIRY: My favorite fight was "The Group" vs. "Tetra's Pirates" even if there was some arguing, I think that was the coolest fight. I'm going to look and see if next week's fight is more challenging. Portal- Kombat


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Week 35: Garo vs. Sheikah
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From the beyond, the extinct race of mysterious Ninjas that live in on Termina, spying on the nation of Ikana even after their death. Armed with sharp knives for hands...(expect a "Garo are related to Freddy Krueger" theory section on their article in the near future) they are the GARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

And their opponent, another race of Ninjas that once worked together with the Royal Family of Hyrule. However, due to unknown reasons (possibly the massacre of the entire Hyrule Castle Town back in the 1440's) they were outlawed by the Hylians and were since kept secret...represented by the lovely (if you're a sicko) Impa...they are the SHEIKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

And now, feast your eyes upon the squared circle, and bathe in the exquisite blood-bathery that this battle between Ninjas will inevitably become...LET'S GET READY TO CRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUMBBBBBBBBLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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Votes for Garo

 * 1) The Garo rock. While they're pushovers, battling Garo is a great way to pass the time and improve one's sleight-of-hand. The Sheikah run and hide away at the first sign of trouble and don't bother coming back to maintain their legacy even after their death. That's just lazy. For some reason, Tatl's description when you enter an area haunted by Garo creeps me out...you know what I'm talking about. At least Garo do what Ninjas are supposed to be doing...the Sheikah are little more than glorified diplomats. And diplomats suck. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 14:45, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Sorry, you actually FIGHT the Garo. The Sheikah you simply talk with and you never really see to many of them, so I vote Garo.  I will die without leaving a corpse, for that is the way of us Garo Dialask77 15:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) They actually try to fight. Not like Impa, who just rides away on her horse...-- Moblin   Slayer | (I'm working on it...) 16:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I would definitely vote for a bunch of undead ninjas that kill themselves in order to not leave a corpse over a single woman (Impa) who is pretty much only awesome because she's a ninja. The Garo would be awesome even if the ninja hype didn't exist.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) got to go with the undead hooded ninjas--Twilitlink 19:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) They die without leaving corpses. You don't get much more awsome than that.   Metroidhunter32  21:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) The Garo Master is MUCH more awesome than an old woman(Impa). Mahboirrelroll
 * 8) The only awesome thing about the Sheikah is Shiek, and he/she's not even a real Sheikah... the Garo Master has an epic evil laugh (like Bowser from Hotel Mario lol) Majora's Mask has the series' best unknown backstory hands down!  Portal-  Kombat
 * 9) Ngggggg, I just know this will make it seem like I'm voting for the more popular one, but I'm gonna go for it. Garos' die without a corpse, they use swords, from what I can tell, they're undead; what's not to love? DEAD THINGS ROCK! Sincerely, Watcher
 * 10) Impa is fat (see Oracle of Seasons/Ages)-->Impa is a Sheikah. Soooo, by the transitive property, Sheikah are fat? Gah getting off topic; Anyway, go creepy mysterious cloaked guy ninja thingumabob!—  Triforce   14 ( ... ) 04:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Cool I actually think these guys are gonna win, well they just dont get my vote for being more "ninja like" or for being alot more tougher, they also get my vote beacuse of their dark nature (and mabey beacuse their from Majora's mask).13:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)FourGiants34 13:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) These guys are awesome and the Shieka don't do anything, all they do is talk. These guys you can actually kill!Zeldamaniac95
 * 13) Tough decision... for some reason I want to go with Garo, maybe just cause they were in MM or because they are just cool. Buuuuut... here's my vote... VOTE! Xicera 01:13, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) I think the Garo are way more awesome, but that's just me, some guy you've never seen or heard of before. Turtleman579

Anonymous votes

 * 1) I don't know why but I just like them more.
 * 2) Garo looks like a rock. I like rocks.


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Votes for Sheikah

 * 1) Sheikah, ninja skills, eyes that can read minds, weaponary based on katanas, Sheik, magic, masks, lens of truth, emblem, HAVE A BODY, HAVE A VILLAGE, HAVE IMPORTANCE IN THE CHRONOLOGY, keep secrets of all Hyrule, have stones to hear and see anything that happen on Hyrule, have a Sage, need to continue?TheNewSheik
 * 2) Shiekah, mostly because I think they add a larger story element (even if you only consider Ocarina of Time, since the Garo are only in Majora's Mask).  While you could fight the Garo, they were easy to defeat.  Only the Garo Master put up a good fight.  Since we're talking about two different tribes and not two different creatures like normal, I don't think it can be assessed who would win if the two were to spar with each other (that's my justification for just picking my favorite in this round). Pianist Link 18:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) The Sheikah are more interesting. Simple as that. LapisScarab 18:17, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Well, I have to go with Sheikah. I know way more about them than the Garo. You also see many sightings of the Sheikah sign throughout many of the games. user:dragonmaster kayla
 * 5) Garos are easy to defeat and Sheikah actually have a Sage. Plus, I'm voting for them because they're losing. Oddball464 17:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) although i do love majoras mask i disliked the garos. the master garos were ok but the normal ones looked like children the way they crouched over (i dout anyone else sees that but me). the shiekah are extinct. how cant you like something thats extinct? Oni Dark Link
 * 7) Shiek because they are way cooler than garo.(coolicolo)
 * 8) I've never heard of a Garo either. Come on guys, these were like Hyrule's bodyguards. (bkarcher97)
 * 9) I don't have anything against the Garo, but really, the Sheikah are just too awesome and strong to be beaten by a bunch of wimpy whatever-they-ares from Majora's mask.(Sir Real)
 * 10) When I saw the match-up, my first thought was, "Who the hell are the Garo?", so yeah. Sheikah have an entire history, artifacts, temples, Sages, and the creepiest minidungeon known to man. Sheikah FTW! (Anonymous vote below was mine, I moved it up here when I got a proper account.) (Ryttu3k)
 * 11) Come on, red eyes, pointed ears, awesome telepathic powers. Five words. Total domination over the Garo.--Twoface13 01:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) Everyone knows that the Garo are alright in combat, but the Sheikah are just so much better. I mean, the Garo had to spy on their royal family while the Sheikah were invited to protect theirs. As well as that, the Sheikah are actually real people unlike the Garo who are just robes. (Mailtoad)
 * 13) i never played Majoras Mask through, but i read the artical on garo, and as cool as they seem, i have to vote for Shiekah, imean, you fight plenty of Garo from what ive come to understand, and you only ever evan see three shiekah in the whole series, how mystierius is that!!!! much more ninja than killing yursels to die w\o o corpse, ninjas lived by the motto live to fight another day killing yurself is a samuria thing. & another thing, most of the people that voted Garo made it seem like it was Garo vs. Impa not the entire shiekah race. there are plenty of sheikah that arnt Impa, like Shiek, and.. well.. Shiek,(there is a whole race of 'em you dont evan see [agian, very mystierius]) Werewolf4797
 * 14) Ninjas for the win! Especially those that help the Royal Family. :p Leo604 03:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) cmon! these are the best! go shiekah!
 * 2) Sheikah!
 * 3) duh! ninja's are so cool.. too bad there where only 2,5 real Sheikah in the Zelda series.. only Impa, Impaz and Sheik (the half).
 * 4) I never heard of a Garo in my life.
 * 5) Majora's Mask is the only zelda game that i dont have, and of all the zelda games,the only one i have never beaten, (excluding Four Swords) is A link to the past, so i have to vote Sheikah
 * 6) Go Sheikah! The Sheikah would definately destroy the Garo in the fight and have much more significance to the series anyways
 * 7) Sheik could easily thwap any of these guys buts, so go on you stupid looking Garo things I don't like you and your annoying knife throwing-yness.
 * 8) I have not heard of a Garo but I would suggest Sheikah could kick their arses anyway.
 * 9) sheikahs will win the r like ninjas they pwn
 * 10) ha! sheikas got weapons,not frickin knives. sheikah got whips, needles, garo are just robes!
 * 11) I'm going with Sheikah over Garo simply because I like OoT more than MM. Plus, Sheikah look cooler.
 * 12) Sheikah are simply much more cooler.


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Peanut Gallery
Can we clarify something? Garo do have hands. Look at the picture. Their hands hold switchswords (switchblades, but larger) and are covered by their long sleeves. Please use common sense in the future. Jarmihi

Anyone else suspicious about the anonymous votes for Shiekah? I mean they're all anonymous votes...that, and when I checked the page history, it said it has been edited by only ONE anonymous user. So either the user who put those votes there "fix" them, or face the wrath of the "weird announcer..." (by the way, I'm not the "weird announcer"; that would be AK...) -- Moblin  Slayer | (I'm working on it...) 16:07, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

My, so far so good. I am suprised that the garo are winning so far. One would have expected the shiekah to instently get a ton of votes, but the fight is still young. Dialask77 16:22, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would expect the Garo to lose once people actually come on the site...other than the terrorist vandals, of course. By the way, the "weird announcer" would be Jimmy Buffer. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 16:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, the Garo seem to be winning pretty steadily. Unless this ends being another Miniblin vs. Stalkin or Queen Gohma vs. Armogohma, the Garo could actually win this.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is it that Nintendo constantly create things with names that are so easily misspelled? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 01:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I misspelled Sheik (Shiek) but I'm not going back to change it now- just to spite Nintendo and its bizarre words. I'll go fix my typo when they release EarthBound on the VC. Portal- Kombat


 * Hehe, Earthbound...talk about your games with grammar and spelling issues...of course, I can't complain, having played the original FFIV localization. "Do the Meteo..." man, way to ruin a good game. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 02:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * "All your base are belong to us!"  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

YOU SPOONY BARD!!!! I thought the mistranslations, mispellings, and other oddities actually made it funny...but then again thats just me. They really need more history behind the garo, I think they are awesome. I wore the garo mask all throughout that game...was sad when I had to give it up to get the Fierce Diety's (bwa ha ha take that!!!} mask. Dialask77 02:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Heh, so much for the "Sheikah will definitely win" argument.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow, I'm shocked. Perhaps the human race isn't beyond help yet? -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 21:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that the garo will be used for many new things for a while. It would have been funny if TheNewShiek had voted garo, but sadly, TheNewShiek didn't. Well this is a closer battle than many of the others, at least for now. I guess the big thing against the shiekah is that the only proven representative is Impa, and the other cool Shiekah (shiek) isn't even a real shiekah. Dialask77 21:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Oni Dark Link, I'm not trying to change your opinion or anything, but just so you know, the Garo are also extinct.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey Triforce, don't be mean to the fat chicks. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 00:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

My point is that the Sheikah have more experience, but well, I will accept whoever win, this is democracy after all XD But we really can compare this two races? Is like comparing Wookies with Ewoks, as both hairy "warriors", ok, the Ewoks have an important fight in the story and are cute, but the wookies are an established race with their own weaponry, an society, a planet, a past history and, as more important, heroes that represent them through the series. You know what I mean? LOL TheNewSheik

Ummm....according to your statement, the Sheikah should win, if I'm reading the analogy right...either that, or your saying that Ewoks beat Wookies...man, I just had a brainfart, I think I'm reading into this too much...-- Moblin  Slayer | (I'm working on it...) 04:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Sigh, here we go again with the arguing. Why can't we just get along? Well, I can at least. Sincerely, Watcher

Well.. it would be "nice" if people's reasoning and vote didn't conflict, lol. Pianist Link 04:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why you're getting confused. In the Star Wars analogy, Wookies represent Sheikah(s) and Ewoks represent Garo(s). TheNewSheik voted for Sheikah and then explained why Wookies should win (in TheNewSheik's opinion, at least). And Watcher, I don't really see anybody arguing, just having harmless conversations. Then again, maybe I have a more exaggerated definition of arguing because I'm involved in so many.....  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

whats wrong with harmless debates? noting Oni Dark Link

Nevermind, it was just me and my weird form of logic...-- Moblin  Slayer | (I'm working on it...) 15:19, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, this is a pretty close fight, despite Garo's substantial initial lead. I guess the Sheikah could win at this point.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  17:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

despite what it looks like shikeahs have just taken the lead with 12-13 Oni Dark Link

No, anonymous votes count as half votes. Garo are in the lead 12-10 1/2.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  20:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

o. i didnt know that Oni Dark Link

It's a common mistake. We really should make it more clear. It's only really talked about in the comments sections of some of the earlier fights.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  21:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I think we should also start posting the final score under "Winner!" as was done in earlier battles. Pianist Link 03:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hehe yeah, you got the analogy right, I mean no harm. Maybe I'm blind for my love for the Sheikah, but I think that they really should win. If you have spy stones in all Hyrule and Termina you should know what is the weakness of a Garo (use a shield), also the Sheikah have been in wars before (in the Civil War) so I think this should be a total victory the Shadow Folk. Also Garo are snitchs, you defeated one and they give all the info they got. "To die leaving our secrets to the grave, that's the way of us Sheikah" LOL PD: With the Sheikah-Shiekah issue, is Shiekah in German, in all the other countries is Sheikah 04:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)TheNewSheik We all have our blind loves. My blind love happens to be Majora's Mask (the game, not the mask; that'd be kinda creepy). Also, so far, this appears to be the closest fight ever (the Garo are winning by only one vote). This also doesn't seem to be the kind of fight in which one side will pull ahead by an overwhelming majority despite being close at first (like The Group vs. Tetra's Pirates). I figure that if it were to fall to pieces like that, it would have already done that.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  04:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

What did you expect? you are fighting the Shadow Folk! we don't give away battles like that XD (no offense). I think the fight went like this, AK started with an initial idea, so many followed without giving a look to the other characteristics of the other side. I came, and when I saw the Sheikah were losing, I did the same, I give my first user vote to lead other users to consider another idea. So I bringed balance to the fight. If I had chosen Garo, the fight will be already over. What I mean is that we need persons (users) that stand for each side and give the principal reasons to fight for. 05:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)TheNewSheik

Not necessarily, I would've voted for Garo no matter what, and I'm betting a fair amount of users would have too. Likewise, I think some users would have voted for Sheikah regardless of whether or not you had voted for them. I guess some users just vote for the winning side or are influenced by other people, though.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  05:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, he he maybe is that, some not many. We'll see how all this ends. I wish luck for both sides.05:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)TheNewSheik

Well I can't totally agree that the sheikah have more history than the garo do. Sure, the sheikah have more KNOWN history, but the garo have very little known about them at this time. Also the whole snitching thing isn't completely accurate becuase they were snitching against their enemy which were the people of Ikana. Technically it worked to their advantage. But yeah, this is a cool fight with opinions everwhere. Perhaps one of the best fights yet. Dialask77 13:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)]

spy not snitch Oni Dark Link

It's tied "http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5853/smilevp4.gif" Pianist Link 21:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

not necessarly. that last person needs to sign it to be counted as one. man this is close. sign it please!!!! Oni Dark Link

If that person wishes to go back and sign their vote, they can. For now, I've moved it to anonymous votes.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  23:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow...I think this is the closest fight in ToC history....unless we get a sudden influx of voters for one fighter, this could be decided by a single vote (it is tied right now...) By the way, what would happen if it were to end in a tie?-- Moblin   Slayer | (I'm working on it...) 00:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The democratic system is suspended and one man is given the power to decide; I, myself, me. I would of course make the Happy Mask Salesman the winner. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 01:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah well Happy Mask Salesmen = Awesome. You know what I want to see more than any other fight? A fight with a wizzrobe...I just can't think of anything to fight it... Dialask77 02:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

This is too tense. I can't take it anymore T_T Pianist Link 08:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

hey dialask what about a wizrobe vrs a dark interlooper. although we dont really have a picture of the dark interloopers. Oni Dark Link

Sheesh, this keeps shifting back and forth with one side winning by either 1 or 1/2 votes.......  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  22:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC) hmmm.... garo have knives, sheikah have whips...

Wizzrobe vs Dark Interlopers? I don't see an advantage on either side, but aside from the fact they are both magically inclined they aren't really similar. one has story value, one has battle value. It is technically possible that wizzrobes ARE the dark interlopers. Seems Shiekah have finally pulled ahead... Dialask77 05:41, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

The Sheikah are only winning by 1 1/2 votes, the Garo could still win this. Either way though, I'm just happy to have suggested what will probably end up being the closest fight ever.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  06:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, never mind, it doesn't really look like Garo's gonna win this at this point. If Garo doesn't get a couple more votes soon, it won't even be the closest fight (I believe Goron vs. Zora had a 3 vote difference).......although I guess the ratio of voters to the difference between the two sides would be the highest.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  19:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't we archive the last four fights? Anyways, looks like the Sheika won by just a little bit, which surprises me. Ah well, can't win 'em all. Next fight! Sincerely, Watcher

Oh man, the fight was SO close for a while, but the Sheikah now have such lead, and with the next fight coming up soon, that the Garo can't even come close enough to make this the closest fight. They'd need 2 1/2 votes in a very small amount of time in order to make this fight closer than Goron vs. Zora. I guess it's still the closest fight in terms of ratio (the difference of the amount of votes for each side proportionate to the amount of total votes), but still.....  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  03:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * O WOWW :D :D :D YEAh Sheikah won!!…… I have to celebrate this, this fight was really really close. The Garo started with all advantage and winning with important user from their side. Then the fight was tie after tie. But Sheikah won in the end. I really admire the Garo, I respect them from now on.  they should appear in another Zelda installment. I expect more fight like this, battles of true rivals. 05:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)TheNewSheik


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Week 34: Bellum vs. Majora
{| style ="width: 100%;" size=5>Winner! "Majora" 4 < 28 1/2
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 * style="width: 100%; background: #DDDDDD; padding: 5px" colspan="6"| LLLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! You shall now be given a real treat: It's the 34th week of the TEMPLE. OF. COURAAAAAAAAAAAGE! All right!
 * style="width: 100%; background: #DDDDDD; padding: 5px" colspan="6"| LLLLLLLLLLLLADIES AND GENTLEMEN! You shall now be given a real treat: It's the 34th week of the TEMPLE. OF. COURAAAAAAAAAAAGE! All right!

If you would kindly turn your attention towards the oozing green corner of the ring, you will see this weeks first combatant. Visiting from deep within the Temple of the Ocean King, this giant crazy monster can shape shift, steal power from even the Ocean King himself, and splatters ooze everywhere he goes, it's BELLUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM!

And in the purple corner, we have a totally insane creature. Like its opponent, this beast-thing can shape shift, but has its own great powers, and spreads destruction wherever it goes, this weeks challenger, MAJORAAAAAAAAAAA!

Two perfectly insane, final boss, monster things that have crazy amounts of power. Who will be left standing at the end of this conflict? I don't know, it's up to you voters, so LLLLLLLLLLLLLETS GET READY TO RUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE! Yeah!
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Votes for Bellum

 * 1) Bullem shall win. He once taken over Linebeck, my favorite PH character, and also sealed up the Ocean King. User:Dragonmaster kayla
 * 2) Bellum would win. He would just suck the life out of Majora, and in case you didn't realize, Bellum isn't trapped in a mask and isn't afraid of another guy trapped in another mask--Twoface13 16:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) I actually fought and defeated this one.. Can't remember the battle though.. but still Phantom Hourglass totally rocks!
 * 2) Tentacles, the darkness to crush the Ocean King, and the ability to make Limerack formidable?  He wins
 * 3) im voting because he has some cool music!
 * 4) im voting because if he can defeat the ocean King, he can defeat an itty bitty mask


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Votes for Majora
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 * 1) jezusfreak Honestly he was one of the more fun fights in Majara's Mask! He was fun to beat the heck out of with my new mask! (fierce deity)
 * 2) Definitely one of the more mysterious characters to be encountered in the series.  How can you have the Fierce Deity Mask, give it away with a smile, and not win? :) Pianist Link 07:10, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Majora is awesome in so many ways, I can't even begin to tell you why I prefer him/her over Bellum. The last boss fight with him/her was lacking, but the concept and what little backstory we were given provide an incredibly satisfying villain.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  07:15, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) You can't beat a spikey rainbow coloured insane mask spirit. Believe me, I've tried... well, I did beat it... but thats not what I meant, I was being figurative. Malion 07:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Majora can posses people for long periods of time and then just drops them like a broken hammer.  Also Majora has a long term plan.  Kill everything.  Gotta respect that.  Metroidhunter32  14:43, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Majora is nigh-impossible to kill unless you have the power of a god/Deity). Bek The Conqueror 16:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Majora is my favorite game in the series, so i have to say that the final boss is the best one.Goronga 17:51 8 February 2009 (GMT)
 * 8) Err I don't even think an explanation is in order for this one —  Triforce   14 ( ... ) 18:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) You can't beat a freakin' freaky mask like Majora's Mask without being exceptionally awesome. Bellum is an exceptionally awesomely bad excuse for a villain and part of why Phantom Hourglass fell short of being a spectacular game. My doctor always said that you can't reason with a crazy man, and Majora sure is crazy, although I am not sure about the whole "man" argument...all Bellum needs is a knife stab in his eye (that's right; even the fact that you can squish Bellum's eye can't save him! That shows you something.) and he'll be down for the count. Apply euclidean geometry and you have your winner. It's just...natural selection. -- Auron  Kaizer ( ...Kaizer! ) 19:51, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) An awesome and mysterious villain. Also an awesome boss fight without the Fierce Deity. Besides, at least I fought against this guy. '[[User:PhantomGanonUsurper27|<font
 * 11) Gotta vote for the psychopathic mask. Look at what it did to the moon! I have to give Majora's Mask some credit. LapisScarab 20:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Corrupted a sailor dude vs corrupting the moon?  Sorry, but I think majora moons bellum any time.Dialask77 21:32, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Majora is the best Zelda villain. Bellum is probably the worst Zelda villain, and I've grown weary of Ganondorf. HE MUST DIE!!!  Portal-  Kombat
 * 3) I believe that given their respective powers and weighing their difficulty levels, Majora would win this battle. Bellum is merely a squid-like monster while Majora was noted to have been so powerful that the dark tribe sealed him away fearing his power. Bellum was just a little of a disappointment to me as far as a villain goes in the series. Hero of Time 87 00:02, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Majora the psychopath all the way. User3000 01:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Majora's Mask was my first Zelda game and Majora him/herself was just insane. Twilitlink
 * 6) sorry it tuck me so long to vote ive been on holiday but it doesnt look like the jora boy needs it. hes simply moppen the floor on belum Oni Dark Link
 * 7) Isn't Bellum the name of a Pokemon? Anywho, I vote Majora because he's mentally insane and I love it when characters have similarities with me :3 Mrs.MikauShadLink
 * 8) Majora would desilate the tiny, insignifigant speck of power that Bellum hasBetweenBlack&White
 * 9) Due to Majora's vast power, even if Bellum could absoarb his power, Majora's got so much of it that Bellum would explode into oozy chunks... Mmm, chunks. Mmm, chicken chunks. Mmm, chicken noodle soup... Sorry. Sincerely, Watcher
 * 10) Bellum is a horrible excuse for a Majora ripoff. Majora is the hardest thing I've ever had to face in a Zelda game. I once tried to beat it without the Deity Mask, things didn't turn out so well. The point is, MAJORA OWNS! Oddball464 20:38, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) i think majora would win user:Zora_link72
 * 12) Majora is awsome!Zeldamaniac95
 * 13) Majora would definitely win. Look at all the potential damage it could have caused Termina. Bellum? All he did was make a big fish "god" go sick. Leo604 03:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) I've only fought Bellum. And I didn't like it. (Still have to beat MM)- Leo Lab  19:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes

 * 1) Weird,crazy,pshycotic,manipulating,can summon armageddon,  has THREE forms its really not contest he owns Belldum as well as GANON there I said it, hes the best, majora FTW.
 * 2) Easy peasy. Majora is my second favorite villain of all time!
 * 3) He is the final boss of my favorite zelda game, he is a freaking nutcase, annnnnd he can crush a entire freaking continent under the moon! (that and he possess stuff) so yeah majora.
 * 4) I vote majora!
 * 5) majora will own him cause majora rapes things :)
 * 6) Majora would win because of its great powers!! Bellum?? What is a bellum??
 * 7) Masks, dude. Masks.
 * 8) Majora FTW! Majora is totally COO COO FOR COCO PUFFS!
 * 9) Majora can cause the end of the world, force the soul of another into your body to make you change form, alter time (Kafei) and space (How the heck do you think he could move the moon), he gave power to the masked beasts of Terminia (in doing so caused poisoning the swamp and hurting kotake, killing a goron warrior and the snowstorm blighting the gorons, bad sea conditions for the zoras, causing the dead to wander in Inkana canyon), taking the power of the Giants (who are the protectors of the land)and sealing THEM away (when their power was restored they still required link's help to stop majora), it's general sadistic psychosis which finds joy in pain and suffering, it's psychotic break during link's fight to manifest itself as Majoras Wrath, it's complete disreagard for life (even it's own, as it gave link the fierce deity's mask for the sake of an intense fight), and I could go on but I do not wish to make Majora full of itself. Now, to tell you why Bellum sucks Donkey rectum... He is so weak that he had to hide at the bottom of a massive temple and manipulate the temple's original powers to weaken you, he required cronies (phantoms, cubus sisters, ect...) while Majora was on it's own using only what was there to inflict pain, Bellum is a glorified jellyfish (Barinade is a more frightening and threatening jellyfish than bellum), Bellum could be hurt by a piece of dust blowing into it's eye and it rolling around in pain (unable to "possess" anyone or attack anything), Not to mention that Bellum has pathetic offensive capabilities. Majora's Arsenal: beams, spikes, whips, energy blasts, moons, body-altering magic, time and space-altering magic, super-speed (Majora's Incarnation), and various other magics. Bellum's Arsenal: Slime, tentacles, tackling you....ummmm what else can he do....OH YEAH!!! Poison fish...yeah...fish...wow...Need I say more?


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Peanut Gallery
All right everyone, the fight's up, so get votin'! Sincerely, Watcher

Wow. This fight is already over. (knock on wood. Darn my desk is made out of partical board with a wood pattern.  Goes off in search of furniture made out of real wood in this day and age.)    Metroidhunter32  21:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

The wart vs deku toad is already over? feels just like it started yesterday. Dialask77 21:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...I wish more votes would go to Bellum. I hope we find a well balanced fight soon. (Go Bellum) user:dragonmaster kayla

Ok this fight is getting to be a nasty massacre...I don't think it will be realistic for bellum to come back and win at this point... Why don't we just go on to the next fight? Dialask77 21:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

ughh. Why these two? Obviously the majora has more sentimental value to people. I still think a Telma and Louise battle would be nasty. User:SageofWater

Mrs.MikauShadLink, I'm pretty sure there is no pokemon named Bellum, although there's a similarly named Beldum.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow. We went a whole week without anyone getting into a fight. I'm shocked. Sincerely, Watcher

is it just me or has zeldapedia been very unactive in the past week? Oni Dark Link
 * If my school is any example, everyone's sick and dying. That's my explanation. - Leo Lab  19:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

A fight between Ganon/dorf and Majora would've been closer. Seems to me that almost everyone agrees Majora'd massacre Bellum. User3000 19:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

no every one would just vote for gannondorf 217.78.8.102

While I do think that most people would vote for Ganondorf, don't make opinionated comments about how "everyone" would vote for him. I would certainly vote for Majora.  Xykeb   Yvolix   Zraliv  02:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd vote for Majora too. And I don't know much about what everyone thinks, but I would've thought that Majora would do all right against Ganondorf. User3000 21:05, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


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